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4 years ago  ::  Sep 21, 2015 - 1:53PM #31
luvdayanks
Posts: 25,308

Sep 21, 2015 -- 1:51PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Sep 21, 2015 -- 1:30PM, nc01 wrote:


The excuse of -- "because the Mets could pitch around him. If they don't pitch around A-Rod, that's a foolish risk."


As for Girardi, I don't think that he can manage one dimensional, less three.


NC...




That's nonsense.


You have A-Rod for maybe one PA each game. If you waste it because the Mets pitch around him, you've blown your best bench asset for nothing.


If they don't pitch around him in that spot in a tie game, they're choosing to pitch to the Yanks best right-handed hitter and choosing not to pitch to a lesser right-hand hitter or choosing not to take a lefty on lefty matchup with the Yankee left-hand hitter who almost certainly has never seen Matz before. In a 1-1 game, that's choosing to give up a substantial advantage, and it's a risk, and it's completely unneccessary, which is what makes it FOOLISH.


One-dimensional managing is looking at the game situation at that moment, and deciding to make the move that, at that moment, is the best for the team. Two-dimensional managing is looking at the game situation at the moment, looking through the possible moves that could be made, and then ALSO considering the possible countermoves that the opposing team could make, and then deciding what to do based on the most likely scenarios. Three-dimensional managing, at least within a single game without consideration of the impact on any further games or the pennant race as a whole, is looking at the current situation, thinking through the possible countermoves, and then looking ahead to see what impact moves made at this moment will have on situations that might come up later in the game.


Girardi chose not to bring A-Rod in that spot because the game was tied (the Yanks were not already behind), because using him there likely causes the Mets to pitch around him or make him hit a bad pitch, because if you pinch hit A-Rod there, and they walk him, then you MUST pinch-hit for Tanaka as well with a lesser hitter, and that forces Girardi to bring his weaker relievers into the game at least an inning or two earlier than he wanted, and because he wanted to hold him in case he needed a big swing later in the game.


Ryan's groundout doesn't refute the strategy. Tanaka allowing the 2nd home run blows up the strategy, because it puts the Yankees behind, and forces the weaker relievers into the game earlier than desired.


That is three-dimensional thinking. If you still don't understand, too bad.





It appears he doesn't.

4 years ago  ::  Sep 21, 2015 - 1:58PM #32
qwik3457
Posts: 11,615

Sep 21, 2015 -- 1:47PM, nc01 wrote:


Sep 21, 2015 -- 1:39PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Sep 21, 2015 -- 7:42AM, nc01 wrote:


And you're full of crap. Girardi can think up an excuse for everything that he does and that doesn't make it logical or a right decision.


NC...




Thanks. Coming from you, that means...


...nothing.




As is anything that comes from you means -- NOTHING. You just always take the opposite viewpoint.


NC...




No, I DON'T always take the opposite viewpoint.


I usually give a manager the benefit of the doubt. I listen to the explanation, and if it's plausibe, I say OK, maybe he knows what he's doing.


But sometimes, even during the gamechat, I'll say "I don't understand this move." Or I'll say "This is a weird move", or "This is a suprising move", especially if I can't think of a possible justification for it.


Even then, if I watch the Girardi interview after a game, he usually has a decent explanation, like "Oh, we didn't use Betances there because he was a little sore after last night, and I wanted to give him a day."


There are nearly no moves that are 100% or 0%. Almost all moves operate in a gray area. And sometimes, a manager has reasons that he cannot make public without risking a public blowup with a player or within the team.

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4 years ago  ::  Sep 21, 2015 - 3:13PM #33
Lola
Posts: 21,932

Sep 18, 2015 -- 10:23PM, canoera wrote:

Why pull Tanaka with just 82 pitches and a 1 run deficit?

Who do we have in the  BP besides Betances and Miller to hold it close? Shreve and 'Bozos' did the predictable. 

Continue playing Ryan and Drew comedy series. Hal can fill the legend seats with soccer moms to cheer lead.

See a sweep by Mets followed by the Jays. Then the fat lady can pull down the curtains. 




Another fail by Canofail... No sweep by the Mets! And Miller and Betances are good to go tonight if need be.

4 years ago  ::  Sep 22, 2015 - 8:03AM #34
nc01
Posts: 2,236

Sep 21, 2015 -- 1:58PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Sep 21, 2015 -- 1:47PM, nc01 wrote:


Sep 21, 2015 -- 1:39PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Sep 21, 2015 -- 7:42AM, nc01 wrote:


And you're full of crap. Girardi can think up an excuse for everything that he does and that doesn't make it logical or a right decision.


NC...




Thanks. Coming from you, that means...


...nothing.




As is anything that comes from you means -- NOTHING. You just always take the opposite viewpoint.


NC...




No, I DON'T always take the opposite viewpoint.


I usually give a manager the benefit of the doubt. I listen to the explanation, and if it's plausibe, I say OK, maybe he knows what he's doing.


But sometimes, even during the gamechat, I'll say "I don't understand this move." Or I'll say "This is a weird move", or "This is a suprising move", especially if I can't think of a possible justification for it.


Even then, if I watch the Girardi interview after a game, he usually has a decent explanation, like "Oh, we didn't use Betances there because he was a little sore after last night, and I wanted to give him a day."


There are nearly no moves that are 100% or 0%. Almost all moves operate in a gray area. And sometimes, a manager has reasons that he cannot make public without risking a public blowup with a player or within the team.





Or he wants to prove that he has an impact on the game, which is Girardi 100%.


NC...


 

4 years ago  ::  Sep 22, 2015 - 8:04AM #35
nc01
Posts: 2,236

Sep 21, 2015 -- 1:53PM, luvdayanks wrote:


Sep 21, 2015 -- 1:51PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Sep 21, 2015 -- 1:30PM, nc01 wrote:


The excuse of -- "because the Mets could pitch around him. If they don't pitch around A-Rod, that's a foolish risk."


As for Girardi, I don't think that he can manage one dimensional, less three.


NC...




That's nonsense.


You have A-Rod for maybe one PA each game. If you waste it because the Mets pitch around him, you've blown your best bench asset for nothing.


If they don't pitch around him in that spot in a tie game, they're choosing to pitch to the Yanks best right-handed hitter and choosing not to pitch to a lesser right-hand hitter or choosing not to take a lefty on lefty matchup with the Yankee left-hand hitter who almost certainly has never seen Matz before. In a 1-1 game, that's choosing to give up a substantial advantage, and it's a risk, and it's completely unneccessary, which is what makes it FOOLISH.


One-dimensional managing is looking at the game situation at that moment, and deciding to make the move that, at that moment, is the best for the team. Two-dimensional managing is looking at the game situation at the moment, looking through the possible moves that could be made, and then ALSO considering the possible countermoves that the opposing team could make, and then deciding what to do based on the most likely scenarios. Three-dimensional managing, at least within a single game without consideration of the impact on any further games or the pennant race as a whole, is looking at the current situation, thinking through the possible countermoves, and then looking ahead to see what impact moves made at this moment will have on situations that might come up later in the game.


Girardi chose not to bring A-Rod in that spot because the game was tied (the Yanks were not already behind), because using him there likely causes the Mets to pitch around him or make him hit a bad pitch, because if you pinch hit A-Rod there, and they walk him, then you MUST pinch-hit for Tanaka as well with a lesser hitter, and that forces Girardi to bring his weaker relievers into the game at least an inning or two earlier than he wanted, and because he wanted to hold him in case he needed a big swing later in the game.


Ryan's groundout doesn't refute the strategy. Tanaka allowing the 2nd home run blows up the strategy, because it puts the Yankees behind, and forces the weaker relievers into the game earlier than desired.


That is three-dimensional thinking. If you still don't understand, too bad.





It appears he doesn't.




I know that you have a man-crush on Girardi, but come on.


NC...



 

4 years ago  ::  Sep 22, 2015 - 8:12AM #36
newinn
Posts: 32,105

qwik needs no defense from me but he is one of my favorite posters of all time. Most of his posts are well thought out and posted without the emotional baggage that many of us post with. I'm sure he gets as frustrated as much as all of us but when he states an opinion on any given managerial or organizational move he is able to seperate the emotion from his opinion and be objective. We don't always agree but I always appreciate your insight

4 years ago  ::  Sep 22, 2015 - 9:53AM #37
laurenfrances
Posts: 30,820

Sep 22, 2015 -- 8:04AM, nc01 wrote:


Sep 21, 2015 -- 1:53PM, luvdayanks wrote:


Sep 21, 2015 -- 1:51PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Sep 21, 2015 -- 1:30PM, nc01 wrote:


The excuse of -- "because the Mets could pitch around him. If they don't pitch around A-Rod, that's a foolish risk."


As for Girardi, I don't think that he can manage one dimensional, less three.


NC...




That's nonsense.


You have A-Rod for maybe one PA each game. If you waste it because the Mets pitch around him, you've blown your best bench asset for nothing.


If they don't pitch around him in that spot in a tie game, they're choosing to pitch to the Yanks best right-handed hitter and choosing not to pitch to a lesser right-hand hitter or choosing not to take a lefty on lefty matchup with the Yankee left-hand hitter who almost certainly has never seen Matz before. In a 1-1 game, that's choosing to give up a substantial advantage, and it's a risk, and it's completely unneccessary, which is what makes it FOOLISH.


One-dimensional managing is looking at the game situation at that moment, and deciding to make the move that, at that moment, is the best for the team. Two-dimensional managing is looking at the game situation at the moment, looking through the possible moves that could be made, and then ALSO considering the possible countermoves that the opposing team could make, and then deciding what to do based on the most likely scenarios. Three-dimensional managing, at least within a single game without consideration of the impact on any further games or the pennant race as a whole, is looking at the current situation, thinking through the possible countermoves, and then looking ahead to see what impact moves made at this moment will have on situations that might come up later in the game.


Girardi chose not to bring A-Rod in that spot because the game was tied (the Yanks were not already behind), because using him there likely causes the Mets to pitch around him or make him hit a bad pitch, because if you pinch hit A-Rod there, and they walk him, then you MUST pinch-hit for Tanaka as well with a lesser hitter, and that forces Girardi to bring his weaker relievers into the game at least an inning or two earlier than he wanted, and because he wanted to hold him in case he needed a big swing later in the game.


Ryan's groundout doesn't refute the strategy. Tanaka allowing the 2nd home run blows up the strategy, because it puts the Yankees behind, and forces the weaker relievers into the game earlier than desired.


That is three-dimensional thinking. If you still don't understand, too bad.





It appears he doesn't.




I know that you have a man-crush on Girardi, but come on.


NC...



 




Man crush?  I happen to believe there is a lot of rationality in his postings.  With any move you have to consider the counter punch from your opponent and also look toward the ramifications ahead. Moves are not made in a vacuum.

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4 years ago  ::  Sep 22, 2015 - 10:01AM #38
BW26
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Sep 21, 2015 -- 1:39PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Sep 21, 2015 -- 7:42AM, nc01 wrote:


And you're full of crap. Girardi can think up an excuse for everything that he does and that doesn't make it logical or a right decision.


NC...




Thanks. Coming from you, that means...


...nothing.







 


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4 years ago  ::  Sep 22, 2015 - 10:07AM #39
luvdayanks
Posts: 25,308

Sep 22, 2015 -- 8:04AM, nc01 wrote:


Sep 21, 2015 -- 1:53PM, luvdayanks wrote:


Sep 21, 2015 -- 1:51PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Sep 21, 2015 -- 1:30PM, nc01 wrote:


The excuse of -- "because the Mets could pitch around him. If they don't pitch around A-Rod, that's a foolish risk."


As for Girardi, I don't think that he can manage one dimensional, less three.


NC...




That's nonsense.


You have A-Rod for maybe one PA each game. If you waste it because the Mets pitch around him, you've blown your best bench asset for nothing.


If they don't pitch around him in that spot in a tie game, they're choosing to pitch to the Yanks best right-handed hitter and choosing not to pitch to a lesser right-hand hitter or choosing not to take a lefty on lefty matchup with the Yankee left-hand hitter who almost certainly has never seen Matz before. In a 1-1 game, that's choosing to give up a substantial advantage, and it's a risk, and it's completely unneccessary, which is what makes it FOOLISH.


One-dimensional managing is looking at the game situation at that moment, and deciding to make the move that, at that moment, is the best for the team. Two-dimensional managing is looking at the game situation at the moment, looking through the possible moves that could be made, and then ALSO considering the possible countermoves that the opposing team could make, and then deciding what to do based on the most likely scenarios. Three-dimensional managing, at least within a single game without consideration of the impact on any further games or the pennant race as a whole, is looking at the current situation, thinking through the possible countermoves, and then looking ahead to see what impact moves made at this moment will have on situations that might come up later in the game.


Girardi chose not to bring A-Rod in that spot because the game was tied (the Yanks were not already behind), because using him there likely causes the Mets to pitch around him or make him hit a bad pitch, because if you pinch hit A-Rod there, and they walk him, then you MUST pinch-hit for Tanaka as well with a lesser hitter, and that forces Girardi to bring his weaker relievers into the game at least an inning or two earlier than he wanted, and because he wanted to hold him in case he needed a big swing later in the game.


Ryan's groundout doesn't refute the strategy. Tanaka allowing the 2nd home run blows up the strategy, because it puts the Yankees behind, and forces the weaker relievers into the game earlier than desired.


That is three-dimensional thinking. If you still don't understand, too bad.





It appears he doesn't.




I know that you have a man-crush on Girardi, but come on.


NC...



 





No man crush, just logic, something you have a difficult time with. Before you accuse anyone of having a man crush on Girardi, I would be more comcened about your hate of him.

4 years ago  ::  Sep 22, 2015 - 1:30PM #40
nc01
Posts: 2,236

Sep 22, 2015 -- 9:53AM, laurenfrances wrote:


Man crush?  I happen to believe there is a lot of rationality in his postings.  With any move you have to consider the counter punch from your opponent and also look toward the ramifications ahead. Moves are not made in a vacuum.





Then the manager would NEVER pinch hit. After all, the other manager might counter-act that move.


NC...


 

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