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3 years ago  ::  Oct 07, 2015 - 7:16AM #11
qwik3457
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Oct 7, 2015 -- 7:04AM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Oct 7, 2015 -- 6:52AM, IGotYouBabe wrote:


Oct 7, 2015 -- 6:45AM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


I don't see it that way at all.  Teixeira was our best bat and we lost him.  At that point all the veterans including McCann, Gardner, Ellsbury, Rodriguez,  Headley, and Beltran just fell apart.   If it wasn't for contributions from Bird, Ackley, Refsnyder, and Heathcott during our tailspin we would have even missed the Wild Card game.



I respect your opinion, but IMO leaving Ellsbury out of the lineup last night was INSANITY. That was all about Girardi and his hubris, plain and simple, always thinking he needs to show the world he's "managing the Yankees everyone, look at ME!"




Ellsbury is a .265 hitter as a Yankee with a .593 OPS in the second half.   The problem wasn't that he wasn't playing.   The problem is we didn't have someone better to take his place.  The Yankees need a leadoff hitter that steals bases, gets on base, and plays a slick center field.  We don't have anyone like that right now and Ells and Gardy are only getting older.




I might be wrong, but I think Ellsbury will be much better next year, if he isn't derailed by a major injury again.

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3 years ago  ::  Oct 07, 2015 - 7:37AM #12
IGotYouBabe
Posts: 485

Oct 7, 2015 -- 7:04AM, louisiana_lightning wrote:

Ellsbury is a .265 hitter as a Yankee with a .593 OPS in the second half.   The problem wasn't that he wasn't playing.   The problem is we didn't have someone better to take his place.  The Yankees need a leadoff hitter that steals bases, gets on base, and plays a slick center field.  We don't have anyone like that right now and Ells and Gardy are only getting older.



And a + .300 hitter in the playoffs. The issue isn't that there was no one better, the issue is he's about the best player in the lineup and Girardi leaves him out of the lineup. Sorry but that is just plain nuts. That is Dusty Baker bozo-managing nuts.

3 years ago  ::  Oct 07, 2015 - 7:45AM #13
Gernb
Posts: 378

Oct 7, 2015 -- 7:16AM, qwik3457 wrote:


Oct 7, 2015 -- 7:04AM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Oct 7, 2015 -- 6:52AM, IGotYouBabe wrote:


Oct 7, 2015 -- 6:45AM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


I don't see it that way at all.  Teixeira was our best bat and we lost him.  At that point all the veterans including McCann, Gardner, Ellsbury, Rodriguez,  Headley, and Beltran just fell apart.   If it wasn't for contributions from Bird, Ackley, Refsnyder, and Heathcott during our tailspin we would have even missed the Wild Card game.



I respect your opinion, but IMO leaving Ellsbury out of the lineup last night was INSANITY. That was all about Girardi and his hubris, plain and simple, always thinking he needs to show the world he's "managing the Yankees everyone, look at ME!"




Ellsbury is a .265 hitter as a Yankee with a .593 OPS in the second half.   The problem wasn't that he wasn't playing.   The problem is we didn't have someone better to take his place.  The Yankees need a leadoff hitter that steals bases, gets on base, and plays a slick center field.  We don't have anyone like that right now and Ells and Gardy are only getting older.




I might be wrong, but I think Ellsbury will be much better next year, if he isn't derailed by a major injury again.




I think that ia part of the problem Qwik. Ellsbury is a very good outfielder but he has become very fragile. You need a center fielder that you can count on to be on the field and Ellsbury has become very injury prone. Of course, the Yankees being so cautious with players all the time doesn't help keep players onthe field all the time either...

3 years ago  ::  Oct 07, 2015 - 7:58AM #14
JoeGNJ
Posts: 15,926

All are great points but, its been a VERY long time since you looked at the line-up and saw a 300 hitter. Elite teams have them.

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3 years ago  ::  Oct 07, 2015 - 7:59AM #15
louisiana_lightning
Posts: 14,579

Oct 7, 2015 -- 7:37AM, IGotYouBabe wrote:


Oct 7, 2015 -- 7:04AM, louisiana_lightning wrote:

Ellsbury is a .265 hitter as a Yankee with a .593 OPS in the second half.   The problem wasn't that he wasn't playing.   The problem is we didn't have someone better to take his place.  The Yankees need a leadoff hitter that steals bases, gets on base, and plays a slick center field.  We don't have anyone like that right now and Ells and Gardy are only getting older.



And a + .300 hitter in the playoffs. The issue isn't that there was no one better, the issue is he's about the best player in the lineup and Girardi leaves him out of the lineup. Sorry but that is just plain nuts. That is Dusty Baker bozo-managing nuts.




.299 after last night. 

3 years ago  ::  Oct 07, 2015 - 8:06AM #16
61in61
Posts: 26,516

I think Girardi does overthink the game sometimes. You can look at all the numbers you want but the bottom line is, in a one game, winner take all situation you play your "A" team and that means Ellsbury and McCann. Ells had been hitting pretty good the last 2 weeks of the season. No reason to bench him, unless he was hurt.

3 years ago  ::  Oct 07, 2015 - 8:06AM #17
newinn
Posts: 32,105

No one has defended Gardner more then me but I can't  discount the 2 lousy 2nd halfs he has had the past 2 seasons (even though he was hurt last year). His seconf half this year really hurt his trade value. Hope him and Ellsbury rebound early next year or I fear they will be locked into those contracts. If they get off to hot starts, I'd look to trade both of them

3 years ago  ::  Oct 07, 2015 - 8:13AM #18
yankeeoldfan
Posts: 12,741

I know it's been said a million times, if George were around ?? Well if George were around, Joe would be looking for another job.. Last nights leaving Ellsbury sit was about as dumb of move as he's made all year.. To say that Gardner hits lift handed pitching better is a numbers game, again Joe dies by the black binder.. Gardner hasn't hit anyone better the last month of the season, half the posters on these boards could have struck out three times as well as Gardner did last night..  You're paying a player over $20M a year and you leave him out of the lineup in a one win take all game ?? I also think the way he has used the pitching staff the last month of the season has some big questions as well ?? If there was a move to be made last night it should have been with McCann, he's been as cold as ice and Murphy has been hitting and playing way better defense and he was sitting on the bench.. I know McCann is you money man, but you have to go with the best player available.. I've been disappointed with job McCann has been doing behind the plate the last part of the season, I'm sure he's worn down, again a reason to use Murphy more, he should have been playing a lot more against all the left handers we've seen at the end of this season... It didn't take a rocket scientist to see every team loaded up with left handed pitchers to face us down the stretch and it worked..


I know I'm pretty frustrated about the end of this season, but I think as for us fans we have a reason to be.. Yes, I've enjoyed the season, but it ended pretty crappy... I've never been one to like losing, and I won't change until they put me six feet under...

3 years ago  ::  Oct 07, 2015 - 8:13AM #19
Tippy
Posts: 338

Tanaka deserved a better fate.

3 years ago  ::  Oct 07, 2015 - 8:16AM #20
yankeeoldfan
Posts: 12,741

Oct 7, 2015 -- 8:06AM, newinn wrote:


No one has defended Gardner more then me but I can't  discount the 2 lousy 2nd halfs he has had the past 2 seasons (even though he was hurt last year). His seconf half this year really hurt his trade value. Hope him and Ellsbury rebound early next year or I fear they will be locked into those contracts. If they get off to hot starts, I'd look to trade both of them




If they both start out hitting .500 for the first 1/3 of the season, no one's going to take Ellsbury, I'd be hopeful if they could move Gardner.. I think both contracts are going to be hard to move unless we eat a good chunk of the money... 

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