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4 years ago  ::  Apr 30, 2016 - 6:57AM #11
JonahFalcon
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Oh, and Ben McAdoo did compare him to a different WR: Randall Cobb.

4 years ago  ::  Apr 30, 2016 - 7:25AM #12
Joeybagadonutz
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Apr 30, 2016 -- 6:51AM, JonahFalcon wrote:


Apr 30, 2016 -- 6:47AM, Joeybagadonutz wrote:


Hey Coach- Shephard compares more to Antonio Brown than Cruz. Cruz doesn't have the hands that those guys do. All 3 are good route runners.




Uh huh.


www.nytimes.com/2016/04/30/sports/footba...


www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2016/04/why_...


nypost.com/2016/04/29/giants-draft-wr-st...


www.sportsmedia101.com/newyorkgiants/201...


There's 20 more articles saying the same thing: "Shepard is a young Victor Cruz".

Want to try again?




No coach- I don't want to try again. Maybe later on Talkin' Yankees. I'm about to make breakfast.

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4 years ago  ::  Apr 30, 2016 - 10:34AM #13
yank0428
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Apr 30, 2016 -- 6:20AM, JonahFalcon wrote:


Shepard is Cruz Jr.


Thompson looks like a tomato can. He may be a "ball hawk", but he has no DB skills other than "I can catch the ball!" It's the f-ing Mountain West. With opponents throwing 60 passes per game, you better catch at least one of them.



You don't know until they suit up. Landon Collins went to a big school and stuggled. It's the player not the school. Richard Sherman was a 5th round pick. 


Accomplished: As is the case with so many of Boise State players, Darian Thompson arrived as a lightly recruited three star kid out of California with zero fan fare. Following the custom, Thompson redshirted his first year on campus and apparently drank whatever it is in the water up there that turns these castoff high-school athletes into big-time FBS (and future NFL) players.


Usually Chris Peterson's Boise squads were veteran laden, but it didn't take long for this redshirt freshman to earn major playing time. Thompson recorded six tackles in his first career game (against Le'Veon Bell's Spartans) and ended up stealing the starting free safety spot for the final six games of the 2012 season. Since starting those final six games, Thompson started 26 out of 26 games through 2013 and 2014, and started all but Boise's regular season finale against San Jose, the only game he ever missed in his career.


Over the past four years no player has recorded more interceptions than Darian Thompson who has amassed a Mountain West Conference record 19 INTs. A free safety with telepathic instincts, Thompson can seemingly get into the mind of opposing quarterbacks and gets himself in such good position to make a play that it would almost seem the quarterback intended to throw the ball to him. Thompson's 19 MWC interceptions broke the record of Utah, and future NFL star, Eric Weddle.


Thompson is known for being a ball-hawk in the secondary, but he's also steadily improved in his run support. Thompson's tackles have gone from 43, to 63, to 71, to 63 so far as a senior with one more bowl game to go. Under Bryan Harsin, Thompson has played closer to the line of scrimmage the past two years, which has resulted in him making five tackles for loss last year and 7.5 so far this year. On October 26th, Thompson was named one of 16 finalists for the Jim Thorpe Award, given to the nation's top defensive back.




Potential: With four years of starting experience and a well rounded skill-set which includes adept coverage and run support, Thompson is viewed as one of the most complete safeties in the 2016 NFL Draft; a seemingly NFL ready prospect. He's not going to run the fastest time in Indy, but watch his highlight reel below and you'll see a heat-seeking missile with great range against both the pass and run.


Mostly when we talk about "range" it's in regard to a defensive back's deep coverage skills, but Thompson's range in run support stands out in the sharp angles he takes to the football, speed in getting there, and ability to not get hung up in traffic. And once Thompson arrives at the football, he comes with bad intentions.


Thompson hangs his hat on his uncanny instincts which allow him to undercut routes and anticipate overthrows, while in zone coverage his sense for when to fall off and sometimes bail on his responsibility are Eric Weddle-esque. Thompson's instincts get him to the ball, but you need the hands and ball skills to finish the job, and he certainly has that.


NFL teams will love Thompson because of his experience and all the intangibles he brings to the table. His football IQ is off the charts, he plays fundamentally sound football, and is properly positioned 100% of the time. At six-foot-two, he projects as a centerfield-type free safety with the length and height teams now covet in the secondary. Thompson excels in any form over cover one, two, three or four which has him playing deep middle or deep half, allowing him to use his instincts to read the eyes of the quarterback and be a playmaker. Thompson's height and length will also prove to be a major asset when it comes to covering NFL sized tight ends.


Thompson will battle it out with safety prospects such as Jayron Kearse and Jeremy Cash who all bring different unique skills to the table. In the end, look for Thompson to be a second round selection who could wind up logging a lot of playing time very early in his NFL career.

4 years ago  ::  Apr 30, 2016 - 5:40PM #14
Hustleorbench
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Watched the highloghts, Giants TE pick Jerell Adams is a monster.... very underrated pick.

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4 years ago  ::  Apr 30, 2016 - 9:04PM #15
yank0428
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Apr 30, 2016 -- 5:40PM, Hustleorbench wrote:


Watched the highloghts, Giants TE pick Jerell Adams is a monster.... very underrated pick.




Hopefully thats the case . They sure need one. 


 I wanted to pick your thoughts on the Rangers. They are in a tough spot. IMO Yandel was real good this year. Hate to see them lose him but with the cap, not sure what they can do. Hope they are not heading into what the Yanks are.


Watching them against the Penguins they were totally out matched. The talent level not even close. They need to upgrade big time if they can.


 Do you know anything about the young Russian that they could bring in?


 Love Lunquist but a lot of money tied up into a goalie. Staal and Girardi I think they are stuck with.


 Nash not a big time player.

4 years ago  ::  Apr 30, 2016 - 9:05PM #16
JonahFalcon
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Giants didn't draft any linemen. They must really have faith in JPP.

4 years ago  ::  Apr 30, 2016 - 9:05PM #17
JonahFalcon
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Apr 30, 2016 -- 5:40PM, Hustleorbench wrote:


Watched the highloghts, Giants TE pick Jerell Adams is a monster.... very underrated pick.




Reese said they're looking at him as a blocking TE.


Did we need a 6th RB, tho?

4 years ago  ::  Apr 30, 2016 - 9:08PM #18
JonahFalcon
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New York Giants' draft ignores the lines in favor of needs at DB, WR, RB and TE



EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- A wrap-up of the New York Giants' draft.

Best move: Taking Oklahoma wide receiver Sterling Shepard in the second round. He may only be 5-foot-10, and general manager Jerry Reese described him as a "slot receiver." But creative offensive head coach Ben McAdoo sees in Shepard an accomplished all-around threat who can deliver from a variety of spots in a variety of formations. He should complement Odell Beckham Jr. well whether Victor Cruz returns from injury or not. Shepard is a player they targeted and were thrilled to secure with the No. 40 pick.
Sterling Shepard has the tools to immediately become a complement to Giants No. 1 receiver Odell Beckham Jr. AP Photo/Alonzo Adams

Riskiest move: Going the entire draft, for the first time in history, without selecting an offensive or defensive lineman. Yes, the Giants spent a small fortune on the defensive line in free agency. And, yes, they used two first-round picks and a second-round pick on the offensive line in the three years before this one. But the NFL axioms about building through the draft and through the trenches are true for good reasons, and you wonder whether they might regret passing on Laremy Tunsil in the first round because of that ill-timed gas mask video.

Most surprising move: Eli Apple in the first round. No one knew the Giants had Apple rated ahead of Vernon Hargreaves and William Jackson III on their cornerback draft board. But after they decided to pass on Tunsil and Tennessee and Chicago traded up to take Jack Conklin and Leonard Floyd right ahead of them, the Giants picked Apple, a 6-foot-1 cornerback out of Ohio State. They needed a third corner, and Apple is likely to get plenty of opportunity to play as a rookie. But he needs to develop into a long-term starter on the outside in order for this to have been a good Giants draft.

File it away: The three guys who got picked Saturday will have opportunities to move up the depth chart quickly if they can show they can play. B.J. Goodson is viewed by the coaching staff as a middle linebacker, a position where the Giants don't have a clear-cut starter. Paul Perkins could rise quickly on the running back depth chart if he stays healthy and guys like Andre Williams don't impress in camp. And the Giants think Jerell Adams can help as a blocking tight end -- something they haven't had since Daniel Fells got sick last year.

Thumbs up. The Giants got caught flat-footed in the first round when Tennessee and Chicago jumped them to take the guys they wanted, but they did the best they could with that pick, and Apple should develop into a starter. They got a pair of likely immediate contributors in the second and third rounds with Shepard and safety Darian Thompson. And they spent Saturday adding depth at positions where they have question marks -- linebacker, running back and tight end. In particular, fifth-round RB Perkins looks like he offers something the rest of the guys at his position group don’t, and could come on quickly. All in all, a Giants team that needs depth everywhere and needs to develop players better got a promising-looking crew. The only negative is that they didn’t find an offensive lineman anywhere.


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4 years ago  ::  Apr 30, 2016 - 9:15PM #19
JonahFalcon
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Dan Graziano breaks down the 2016 New York Giants draft class.



Round 1, Pick No. 10: Eli Apple, CB, Ohio State | Highlights


My take: The Giants aren't the most nimble team in the draft, so I'm not surprised they got outmaneuvered for Jack Conklin and Leonard Floyd. As for trading down ... meh. Takes two to tango. And the way the draft is right now (look at Keanu Neal at 17 and Ryan Kelly at 18), most teams believe that, if you like a guy, you don't wait around and hope he'll be there later. Apple is a big corner who's just 20 years old and makes sense for the Giants. GM Jerry Reese said, "Absolutely, it's a need pick. Look out there at our corner depth, and you can see that." I agree with him. You can argue the Giants should have been able to maneuver to get the guys they wanted, but I can't fault them for taking this player if they felt stuck in that spot.



The kid was surprised: Apple said he spoke to the Giants only once during the draft process -- at the combine -- and that when he saw a New Jersey area code pop up on his phone, the New Jersey native thought one of his friends was prank-calling him. It took him a few seconds after answering before he realized it really was Giants head coach Ben McAdoo. "It was kind of crazy to see my name up on the screen at No. 10," he said.


Wild pre-draft process: Apple was the prospect who was asked by a Falcons coach at the combine whether he "liked men" -- a controversy that resulted in public apologies from the Falcons. He was also the prospect who was reported by an anonymous scout in a report earlier this week to struggle with life skills, such as cooking. "Ridiculous," Giants scouting director Marc Ross said. "This guy came from a good family. Went to college. And we're asking about cooking? I mean, come on. The guy plays football, shows up to practice, goes to class, has great parents … and we're talking about cooking. It's not a factor at all. It's if he does things that are football-oriented that work out."




Round 2, Pick No. 40: Sterling Shepard, WR, Oklahoma| Highlights


My take: I'm a sucker for dudes with piles and piles of really good college tape. Shepard had combined totals of 137 catches for 2,258 yards and 16 touchdowns over his final two seasons at Oklahoma. He got better every year. Giants scouting director Marc Ross said he was a guy who'd been making an impression for years -- that he always came away from Oklahoma games impressed, and not just during Shepard's senior year when they were looking at him for this year's draft. Yes, he's 5-foot-10, 194 pounds, but wide receivers can play bigger than their size, and everything about Shepard says he does. You can argue an offensive tackle or a safety would have been a better "need" pick here, and you may be right. But they also needed a wide receiver, and Shepard is just a heck of a football player. Love this pick.


What's it mean for Victor? You're going to see a lot of forced narratives about Shepard as a similar player to Victor Cruz. I think that's unfair. Shepard is a more accomplished college player than Cruz was and deserves the chance to make his own name. But I can't really control that. I can tell you the Giants still aren't sure Cruz will ever be fully recovered from his knee injury and return to his former levels, and that it's unlikely he's on the team beyond 2016. GM Jerry Reese described Shepard as a slot receiver. Coach Ben McAdoo said he could move around to different spots. He'll be who he'll be, but the hope is that he'll be even better (and last longer) than Cruz.




Round 3, Pick No. 71: Darian Thompson, S, Boise State| Highlights


My take: At least they keep swinging, right? General manager Jerry Reese described Thompson as a "free safety" and a "center fielder" and said he's the kind of guy who makes the calls on the back end of the defense. This is what the Giants didn't have last season and what Steve Spagnuolo's defense needs. If Thompson is all the things they believe him to be, and he can step in and start right away, then this is a good pick. But those feel like big "ifs," and I think the Giants needed to come out of the first two nights of the draft with at least one new player who weighs more than 210 pounds. They went cornerback/receiver/safety and they still have needs on both lines.



Ball hawk: Thompson this past season broke Eric Weddle's Mountain West Conference record for career interceptions with 19. "I have a knack for finding the football," he said. "I feel like an interception is just as good as a touchdown, so that's what I'm going after." The ball skills obviously are a big part of what drew the Giants to Thompson, and they hope they translate at the next level. Giants coach Ben McAdoo said Thompson's "instincts and twitch" are the qualities that enable him to find the ball.




Round 4, Pick No. 109: B.J. Goodson, ILB, Clemson| Highlights


My take: The Giants love guys who crush it at the combine, and no linebacker in Indy this year topped Goodson's 30 bench press reps. They had him in for a visit and like that he was a middle linebacker and team captain on a Clemson team that made it to the College Football Playoff National Championship. At best, he's a two-down linebacker at the NFL level and can help right away on special teams.


Instant connection: Goodson said he "fell in love" with everything new Giants linebackers coach Bill McGovern told him during his pre-draft visit to East Rutherford. That points up an interesting factor to consider when analyzing the Giants' linebacker position this year. During his time at Boston College, McGovern had a reputation for getting the most out of players and turning lesser-known prospects like Mark Herzlich and Luke Kuechly into stars.


School spirit: Goodson attended the same high school -- Lamar High School in South Carolina -- as former Clemson linebacker Levon Kirkland, who played 11 NFL seasons as a member of the Steelers, Seahawks and Eagles from 1992-2002.




Round 5, Pick No. 149: Paul Perkins, RB, UCLA|Highlights


My take: While he gives the Giants six running backs on their roster, I think Perkins offers something the other five don't -- specifically, a hyper-quick shiftiness that breaks defenders' ankles and forces missed tackles. Like any fifth-round pick, he's going to have to work his way up the depth chart and contribute on special teams. But it's not insane to think he could move past the likes of Rashad Jennings, Andre Williams, Bobby Rainey and Orleans Darkwa with a strong camp and first couple of months.




Round 6, Pick No. 184: Jerell Adams, TE, South Carolina| Highlights


Another workout warrior: The Giants love guys who do great things at the scouting combine, and Adams' 4.64 time in the 40-yard dash was the best this year among tight ends in Indianapolis. He admits he needs to be sharper in and out of his breaks, but he was a reliable pass-catcher for the Game****. The Giants view him as an athletic player who can refine his game at the pro level.


Fills a need? Giants GM Jerry Reese said Adams is a better blocker than a receiver at this point in his career. Obviously, he'll need to contribute on special teams and earn playing time, but the Giants did struggle last season after the loss of blocking tight end Daniel Fells to illness, and if Adams can block, they likely will make room for him.

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