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5 years ago  ::  Oct 03, 2016 - 10:45PM #101
bob01
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I've never agreed with that philosophy, Tony. The way to send a message is to catch Giroux in mid-ice and level him.  I don't know if McIlrath could catch him there.



Fighting with a goon proves nothing.  Two guys dancing around rapping each other on the helmet proves precious little.  You make the star of the other team pay for the goon, not the goon himself.  It's like mud wrestling with a pig, you know?

5 years ago  ::  Oct 04, 2016 - 5:57PM #102
TonyG4
Posts: 3,710

Well Bob I have to assume by your answer that maybe you never played hockey growing up and I respect your opinion, but I totally disagree with it. Growing up I played a lot of hockey and it is still my favorite sport. One thing I learned from day one is when you play the game of hockey its my teammate right or wrong. Although the game of hockey has changed from the days of the original six one thing hasn't changed you need to stick up and protect each other on the ice if you don't they will take advantage and and someone on your team will have a serious injury. You can not allow one of your top young prospects that almost everybody in the National Hockey League was looking to sign take a hit like that, anasty dirty hit like that and not retaliate and send a message that we will not allow this to happen. If you do you will be a target from every team tn the NHL. We are not talking about. goon tactics, we are talking about preventing goon tactics against your team. This is a must for any hockey team. 

Willie, Mickey and the Duke, Now That Was Baseball in NY.

THE ORIGINAL SIX IN THE NHL, OLD TIME HOCKEY,

THE WAY THE GAME WAS MEANT TO BE PLAYED:

LETS GO RANGERS. LETS GO YANKEES
5 years ago  ::  Oct 05, 2016 - 12:33PM #103
bob01
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I'm almost as old as you Tony and the game has changed.  Its so rare that anyone gets hurt in a hockey fight.  These guys are padded from head to toe.  I recall an old discussion where someone said the Rangers needed a goon to protect Lindros in case someone hit him.  A split second after he gets a concussion is a split second too late for that kind of "protection." 



I am curious to see what, if anything, the league does.  Gudas has a history.

5 years ago  ::  Oct 06, 2016 - 2:46PM #104
TonyG4
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Oct 5, 2016 -- 12:33PM, bob01 wrote:


I'm almost as old as you Tony and the game has changed.  Its so rare that anyone gets hurt in a hockey fight.  These guys are padded from head to toe.  I recall an old discussion where someone said the Rangers needed a goon to protect Lindros in case someone hit him.  A split second after he gets a concussion is a split second too late for that kind of "protection." 



I am curious to see what, if anything, the league does.  Gudas has a history.




Gudas was not suspended and no action was taken. That is a Joke, he is a repeat offender, and now more then ever it's time for this Ranger Team to take care of business themselves. And tonight's game is a good time. I am very curious to see if AV plays McILrath and Glass for that reason.

As far as Lindros goes, I don't remember them ever asking for a goon to protect him. If anyone never needed anyone to protect him that's Eric Lindros. I followed him religiously from the minors all the way up to the NHL. He was a big favorite of mine, and believe me Bob he was one of the toughest and strongest guys ever in hockey and he was a one punch knockout guy in a fight.

I remember well, how both he and his brothers career were both ended by concussions.



Willie, Mickey and the Duke, Now That Was Baseball in NY.

THE ORIGINAL SIX IN THE NHL, OLD TIME HOCKEY,

THE WAY THE GAME WAS MEANT TO BE PLAYED:

LETS GO RANGERS. LETS GO YANKEES
5 years ago  ::  Oct 06, 2016 - 3:10PM #105
bob01
Posts: 44

Vesey has to learn to stay down on the ice and act like he's dying for a while.  Kid got right up and rubbed his nose and was fine.  I didn't expect much else from the NHL though.  As you say, Gudas has a track record and they won't be happy until he paralyses someone.


Lindros was a big guy but as you say he and his brother had thin skulls.  Must have been a genetic thing in that family.  But his size didn't stop guys from taking runs at him which was the point of the discussion.  "Oh, if Lindros has a protector they won't hit him."  Baloney.  And having some goon out there to start a fight just after he got clobbered accomplishes little.  The damage is done.  Although, I recall it was a check that Lindros threw not one that he took that put an end to his career.  Obviously he was damaged goods by that point.  As studies have shown with multiple concussions or the even more insidious CTE which can occur even from contact which does not result in a concussion the damage is cumulative.  The NFL has already lost that case and the NHL will lose...or rather settle as the NFL did. 


5 years ago  ::  Oct 06, 2016 - 6:04PM #106
TonyG4
Posts: 3,710
Bob Eric Lindros was hit by a vicious hit from Scott Stevens of the Devils, Eric was skating with his head down and Stevens who is one big S O B, nailed him and that was a big factor to end his career.
Willie, Mickey and the Duke, Now That Was Baseball in NY.

THE ORIGINAL SIX IN THE NHL, OLD TIME HOCKEY,

THE WAY THE GAME WAS MEANT TO BE PLAYED:

LETS GO RANGERS. LETS GO YANKEES
5 years ago  ::  Oct 06, 2016 - 9:29PM #107
bob01
Posts: 44

Yeah but he came back from that and was never the same....something which Sather should have thought about.



www.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/ranger...



Eric Lindros says concussions suffered early on changed way he played in NHL, he feared for his own safety






5 years ago  ::  Oct 07, 2016 - 2:54PM #108
prof. quiz
Posts: 9,758

Since concussions and CTE can't be swept under the proverbial rug anymore, I wonder what the future has in store for football and boxing?


The Rangers offense and special teams look much better than last season but they still let in too many goals. Lundqvist got lit up last night. Preseason or not, that game was painful to watch in the 3rd.

5 years ago  ::  Oct 08, 2016 - 12:21AM #109
bob01
Posts: 44

That's a very good question, prof, and hockey cannot be left out of the mix.  When I coached freshman hockey in the early '90's I used to stand there and tell my kids ( 13-15 year olds) to "finish their checks."  I would never say that today. 


I'm glad you included boxing because the phenomena known as "punch drunk" was the first manifestation of CTE although no one knew it at the time.  The problem is that there is no defense.  Helmets are not the answer.  A helmet can protect against fractured bones but a concussion or a sub-concussive impact does not require a broken bone.  Basically it is the brain rattling around inside the skull as a result of a blow, fall or shaking.  No one yet has designed a helmet that goes inside the skull!


A major component of the NFL player's suit against the NFL was that the league intentionally lied about the linkage of concussions to various neurological conditions such as dementia, alzheimer's and even Lou Gehrig's Disease ( ALS).  But, okay.  The league got caught and they settled the case and now no player can pretend not to know the dangers of football.  Each player has to make a risk/reward calculation.  I imagine there will always be enough so that the game continues to be played.


But.  Pros are well compensated for risking their brains.  What about college players?  They face the same risk and are not well paid.  A relative handful will make the pros but plenty of others are walking around with subtle ( or sometimes not so subtle ) brain damage.  And then there is high school.  Again the


players get nothing for playing but since they are minors their parents have to sign permission slips.  The schools have insurance but how many cases lost would it take for the insurance companies to start jacking up the rates?  Law is based on precedent and if someone wins a big judgement against a school you can bet your butt that the next lawyer will cite that case as a precedent. 


That's where the problem comes in.  There are already signs that parents are less enthusiastic about letting their kids play football and the participation numbers have declined.  If schools decide that football is too dangerous ( or, that they can't afford the insurance without annoying the taxpayers ) the programs will be dropped.  Too much of that will be the end of football.



BTW, I don't want to be sexist here.  Women's soccer is facing the same issue.


www.cnn.com/2015/11/12/health/cindy-parl...








5 years ago  ::  Oct 09, 2016 - 12:07PM #110
prof. quiz
Posts: 9,758

You make valid points bob01. The High Schools will start cutting back on full contact sports as more and more parents are becoming aware of CTE.


The adults who choose this route are free to make their own choices but the NFL can't play stupid anymore to protect their brand.


I just saw something on TV about the ex DE Raven Gene Monroe. The documentary alluded to his marijuana advocacy as reasons for his release. He felt that medicinal marijuana could help the players deal with pain and other symptoms.


I guess the NFL wants to protect their clean and shiny brand. They must have forgotten back in the day when large jars of uppers and downers were freely available in the locker rooms and guess whose doctors introduced the players to steroids?


BTW, Monroe was offered a job by two other teams but after discussing CTE with his wife he decided to not return to football.

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