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3 years ago  ::  Dec 08, 2016 - 12:17PM #1
cessame
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How do you expect to win any games with a starting rotation like this?  Why is Michael Pineda still on this team?  Sabathia s knee problems...  Tanakas elbow....  and those are the only pieces set...

Pitching wins stupid....  it's the old cliche.    You can go thronthis rebuilding process with your lineup and whatever you want it seems as tho they never address the starting rotation... which is ultimately the most important formula for winning..  I don't get it..
3 years ago  ::  Dec 08, 2016 - 12:39PM #2
nystripes2
Posts: 6,287

1. The FA market sucks for pitching.


2. The White Sox likely would have wanted a package from the Yankees starting with either Sanchez (they asked for him at the deadline) or Gleyber Torres.


3. Yankees have some of their own pitching they like such as Kaprielian, Sheffield and Adams.


4. They're not really expected to contend this season.


5. CAN WE SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT TANAKA ALREAY? He just pitched 200 innings with a 3.07 ERA in the best damn hitting division in baseball.

3 years ago  ::  Dec 08, 2016 - 12:43PM #3
DumpGardner
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So Is LF,CF,3B.

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3 years ago  ::  Dec 08, 2016 - 12:47PM #4
nystripes2
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Yankees OF sucks offensively (depending on what Judge does) the majority of their run production will come from the IF and the DH position.

3 years ago  ::  Dec 08, 2016 - 12:54PM #5
bruner4329
Posts: 3,647

Dec 8, 2016 -- 12:39PM, nystripes2 wrote:


1. The FA market sucks for pitching.


2. The White Sox likely would have wanted a package from the Yankees starting with either Sanchez (they asked for him at the deadline) or Gleyber Torres.


3. Yankees have some of their own pitching they like such as Kaprielian, Sheffield and Adams.


4. They're not really expected to contend this season.


5. CAN WE SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT TANAKA ALREAY? He just pitched 200 innings with a 3.07 ERA in the best damn hitting division in baseball.




Agree with 1,2, 4 and 5. Regarding 3 2 of them haven't pitched betond AA. I think Adams has a chance to be a back of the rotation guy. My point is Severino was a can't miss and last year he faltered to the point that no knows if he is a starter or no going forward. I like Kaprelian but he has gone down with injury last 2 years. If Tanaka opts out we potentially need 4/5 starters starting in 2017. (CC gone, Pineda a FA, Tanaka a FA). I would love them to trade for a young starter under control (like an Archer) even if it means giving up a couple of top prospects that are excess. WE have some surplus at SS and OF prospects. Point is they need to start considering building a staff even for 2 years from now. Bringing in a piece or 2 over time would be a good idea. I want to be optimistic but past history dictates not all of our starters that are prospects will pan out.


3 years ago  ::  Dec 08, 2016 - 12:57PM #6
nystripes2
Posts: 6,287

Dec 8, 2016 -- 12:54PM, bruner4329 wrote:


Dec 8, 2016 -- 12:39PM, nystripes2 wrote:


1. The FA market sucks for pitching.


2. The White Sox likely would have wanted a package from the Yankees starting with either Sanchez (they asked for him at the deadline) or Gleyber Torres.


3. Yankees have some of their own pitching they like such as Kaprielian, Sheffield and Adams.


4. They're not really expected to contend this season.


5. CAN WE SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT TANAKA ALREAY? He just pitched 200 innings with a 3.07 ERA in the best damn hitting division in baseball.




Agree with 1,2, 4 and 5. Regarding 3 2 of them haven't pitched betond AA. I think Adams has a chance to be a back of the rotation guy. My point is Severino was a can't miss and last year he faltered to the point that no knows if he is a starter or no going forward. I like Kaprelian but he has gone down with injury last 2 years. If Tanaka opts out we potentially need 4/5 starters starting in 2017. (CC gone, Pineda a FA, Tanaka a FA). I would love them to trade for a young starter under control (like an Archer) even if it means giving up a couple of top prospects that are excess. WE have some surplus at SS and OF prospects. Point is they need to start considering building a staff even for 2 years from now. Bringing in a piece or 2 over time would be a good idea. I want to be optimistic but past history dictates not all of our starters that are prospects will pan out.





Hey I'm with you, I kinda want Cashman to offer a package around Mateo and Sheffield and maybe a lesser prospect or 2 for Quintana of the White Sox who would be under control for 4 more years cheap. I dont believe all the Yankees SP prospects will pan out either, but I think at least one of them from the amount they have will.

3 years ago  ::  Dec 08, 2016 - 1:02PM #7
Max
Posts: 42,830

Dec 8, 2016 -- 12:57PM, nystripes2 wrote:


Dec 8, 2016 -- 12:54PM, bruner4329 wrote:


Dec 8, 2016 -- 12:39PM, nystripes2 wrote:


1. The FA market sucks for pitching.


2. The White Sox likely would have wanted a package from the Yankees starting with either Sanchez (they asked for him at the deadline) or Gleyber Torres.


3. Yankees have some of their own pitching they like such as Kaprielian, Sheffield and Adams.


4. They're not really expected to contend this season.


5. CAN WE SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT TANAKA ALREAY? He just pitched 200 innings with a 3.07 ERA in the best damn hitting division in baseball.




Agree with 1,2, 4 and 5. Regarding 3 2 of them haven't pitched betond AA. I think Adams has a chance to be a back of the rotation guy. My point is Severino was a can't miss and last year he faltered to the point that no knows if he is a starter or no going forward. I like Kaprelian but he has gone down with injury last 2 years. If Tanaka opts out we potentially need 4/5 starters starting in 2017. (CC gone, Pineda a FA, Tanaka a FA). I would love them to trade for a young starter under control (like an Archer) even if it means giving up a couple of top prospects that are excess. WE have some surplus at SS and OF prospects. Point is they need to start considering building a staff even for 2 years from now. Bringing in a piece or 2 over time would be a good idea. I want to be optimistic but past history dictates not all of our starters that are prospects will pan out.





Hey I'm with you, I kinda want Cashman to offer a package around Mateo and Sheffield and maybe a lesser prospect or 2 for Quintana of the White Sox who would be under control for 4 more years cheap. I dont believe all the Yankees SP prospects will pan out either, but I think at least one of them from the amount they have will.




I think that's a bit much for him since up to now he's been a .500 pitcher.

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3 years ago  ::  Dec 16, 2016 - 1:41PM #8
thejudge17
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Mateo, tate, amburgey, clarkin
3 years ago  ::  Dec 16, 2016 - 1:51PM #9
qwik3457
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Dec 8, 2016 -- 12:17PM, cessame wrote:

How do you expect to win any games with a starting rotation like this?



Because even the worst teams win 60 games?


Dec 8, 2016 -- 12:17PM, cessame wrote:

Why is Michael Pineda still on this team?



Because he's still under team control for another year?


Dec 8, 2016 -- 12:17PM, cessame wrote:

Sabathia s knee problems... Tanakas elbow....



And both pitched solidly or better despite those injuries last year.


Dec 8, 2016 -- 12:17PM, cessame wrote:

and those are the only pieces set...



Very few, if any, teams, are "set" in all 5 rotation spots before the start of spring training.


Dec 8, 2016 -- 12:17PM, cessame wrote:

Pitching wins stupid.... it's the old cliche.



You might want to tell the Mets that. They had, by far, the better rotation than the Royals in the 2015 World Series, but the Royals smashed them in 5 games anyway.


Dec 8, 2016 -- 12:17PM, cessame wrote:

You can go thronthis (sic) rebuilding process with your lineup and whatever you want it seems as tho they never address the starting rotation... which is ultimately the most important formula for winning.. I don't get it..



Championship teams are not just good at pitching; they're almost always good at most things, if not everything. A rebuilding team must rebuild all over, which is what the Yanks are doing, even as they try to stay in the race.


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3 years ago  ::  Dec 17, 2016 - 3:42PM #10
bruner4329
Posts: 3,647

Dec 16, 2016 -- 1:51PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Dec 8, 2016 -- 12:17PM, cessame wrote:

How do you expect to win any games with a starting rotation like this?



Because even the worst teams win 60 games?


Dec 8, 2016 -- 12:17PM, cessame wrote:

Why is Michael Pineda still on this team?



Because he's still under team control for another year?


Dec 8, 2016 -- 12:17PM, cessame wrote:

Sabathia s knee problems... Tanakas elbow....



And both pitched solidly or better despite those injuries last year.


Dec 8, 2016 -- 12:17PM, cessame wrote:

and those are the only pieces set...



Very few, if any, teams, are "set" in all 5 rotation spots before the start of spring training.


Dec 8, 2016 -- 12:17PM, cessame wrote:

Pitching wins stupid.... it's the old cliche.



You might want to tell the Mets that. They had, by far, the better rotation than the Royals in the 2015 World Series, but the Royals smashed them in 5 games anyway.


Dec 8, 2016 -- 12:17PM, cessame wrote:

You can go thronthis (sic) rebuilding process with your lineup and whatever you want it seems as tho they never address the starting rotation... which is ultimately the most important formula for winning.. I don't get it..



Championship teams are not just good at pitching; they're almost always good at most things, if not everything. A rebuilding team must rebuild all over, which is what the Yanks are doing, even as they try to stay in the race.




Keep drinking the Kool AidIf we are rebuilding as you say explain to me where the foundation is for the rotation 2 years from now when we are suppose to contend?


They should be adding a piece here and a piece there. It won't happen over night. If people think we are gonna have a legitimate rotation 2 years from now if we don't start adding pieces now then they are in gaga land. Remember this organization has not developed a legitimate starter in years.

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