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1 year ago  ::  Aug 12, 2017 - 8:33AM #221
newinn
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Aug 12, 2017 -- 8:31AM, Paterson wrote:


  Wasn't Kahnle up alongside Chapman in the 8th ? If so, I don't understand why you warm up Betances too, Kahnle should have been almost ready at the start of the inning. 




You're right, he was up with Chapman to come in if the game was tied and sat once the Yanks took the lead

1 year ago  ::  Aug 12, 2017 - 11:46AM #222
luvdayanks
Posts: 24,740

Aug 12, 2017 -- 8:02AM, newinn wrote:


I thought Joe made a mistake by not getting the pen up earlier.I would have gotten up Kahnle instead of Betances once runners got on 1st and 2nd because of Betances inability to hold runners and his own control issues. IMO Joe didn't have a great game. Doesn't make him a bad bullpen manager.




Girardi makes some tactical errors from time to time as ALL managers do, but he's still one of the best managers in baseball.  I don't buy the white noise about maybe he's past his expiration date just for the sake of making a change. When someone can give me viable names to replace him, that will do a better job with the future of a rebuilding team, I will listen. Jmo 

1 year ago  ::  Aug 12, 2017 - 11:57AM #223
newinn
Posts: 30,873

Aug 12, 2017 -- 11:46AM, luvdayanks wrote:


Aug 12, 2017 -- 8:02AM, newinn wrote:


I thought Joe made a mistake by not getting the pen up earlier.I would have gotten up Kahnle instead of Betances once runners got on 1st and 2nd because of Betances inability to hold runners and his own control issues. IMO Joe didn't have a great game. Doesn't make him a bad bullpen manager.




Girardi makes some tactical errors from time to time as ALL managers do, but he's still one of the best managers in baseball.  I don't buy the white noise about maybe he's past his expiration date just for the sake of making a change. When someone can give me viable names to replace him, that will do a better job with the future of a rebuilding team, I will listen. Jmo 




I've always been ambivilent about Girardi. Don't love him and don't dislike him. I think in all the years he's here, he's never lost the clubhouse and to me that's the most important job a manager has, that managing the bullpen and keeping the press and front office off the players backs. He's been here a long time and maybe the players need to hear a new voice, Either way I'm ok if he comes back or leaves

1 year ago  ::  Aug 12, 2017 - 12:13PM #224
louisiana_lightning
Posts: 12,213

Aug 12, 2017 -- 11:57AM, newinn wrote:


Aug 12, 2017 -- 11:46AM, luvdayanks wrote:


Aug 12, 2017 -- 8:02AM, newinn wrote:


I thought Joe made a mistake by not getting the pen up earlier.I would have gotten up Kahnle instead of Betances once runners got on 1st and 2nd because of Betances inability to hold runners and his own control issues. IMO Joe didn't have a great game. Doesn't make him a bad bullpen manager.




Girardi makes some tactical errors from time to time as ALL managers do, but he's still one of the best managers in baseball.  I don't buy the white noise about maybe he's past his expiration date just for the sake of making a change. When someone can give me viable names to replace him, that will do a better job with the future of a rebuilding team, I will listen. Jmo 




I've always been ambivilent about Girardi. Don't love him and don't dislike him. I think in all the years he's here, he's never lost the clubhouse and to me that's the most important job a manager has, that managing the bullpen and keeping the press and front office off the players backs. He's been here a long time and maybe the players need to hear a new voice, Either way I'm ok if he comes back or leaves




I believe in playing the hot hand.  Girardi likes benching guys when they feel good about themselves and allowing players to play their way out of slumps.  I wouldn't use the pen anything like he does.  Having said that I think he is one of the best in the game at getting the most out of his players and I think it would be foolish to switch now.

1 year ago  ::  Aug 12, 2017 - 12:23PM #225
newinn
Posts: 30,873

Aug 12, 2017 -- 12:13PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Aug 12, 2017 -- 11:57AM, newinn wrote:


Aug 12, 2017 -- 11:46AM, luvdayanks wrote:


Aug 12, 2017 -- 8:02AM, newinn wrote:


I thought Joe made a mistake by not getting the pen up earlier.I would have gotten up Kahnle instead of Betances once runners got on 1st and 2nd because of Betances inability to hold runners and his own control issues. IMO Joe didn't have a great game. Doesn't make him a bad bullpen manager.




Girardi makes some tactical errors from time to time as ALL managers do, but he's still one of the best managers in baseball.  I don't buy the white noise about maybe he's past his expiration date just for the sake of making a change. When someone can give me viable names to replace him, that will do a better job with the future of a rebuilding team, I will listen. Jmo 




I've always been ambivilent about Girardi. Don't love him and don't dislike him. I think in all the years he's here, he's never lost the clubhouse and to me that's the most important job a manager has, that managing the bullpen and keeping the press and front office off the players backs. He's been here a long time and maybe the players need to hear a new voice, Either way I'm ok if he comes back or leaves




I believe in playing the hot hand.  Girardi likes benching guys when they feel good about themselves and allowing players to play their way out of slumps.  I wouldn't use the pen anything like he does.  Having said that I think he is one of the best in the game at getting the most out of his players and I think it would be foolish to switch now.




I'm more in favor of playing a steady lineup like Girardi does. I think recognizing a 162 game season and the up's and downs players go through and letting them play their way out of it is imperative. Players understanding their role and the fact we don't hear much complaining from them is imo an important part of it. I do get frustrated when he benches someone like he did with Andujar after one 3-4 game. Playing him a couple of games at that point of the season was important but it was just as important to get Headly back in there if he was your everyday 3rd baseman

1 year ago  ::  Aug 12, 2017 - 1:15PM #226
louisiana_lightning
Posts: 12,213

Aug 12, 2017 -- 1:01PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Aug 12, 2017 -- 12:23PM, newinn wrote:


Aug 12, 2017 -- 12:13PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Aug 12, 2017 -- 11:57AM, newinn wrote:


Aug 12, 2017 -- 11:46AM, luvdayanks wrote:


Aug 12, 2017 -- 8:02AM, newinn wrote:


I thought Joe made a mistake by not getting the pen up earlier.I would have gotten up Kahnle instead of Betances once runners got on 1st and 2nd because of Betances inability to hold runners and his own control issues. IMO Joe didn't have a great game. Doesn't make him a bad bullpen manager.




Girardi makes some tactical errors from time to time as ALL managers do, but he's still one of the best managers in baseball.  I don't buy the white noise about maybe he's past his expiration date just for the sake of making a change. When someone can give me viable names to replace him, that will do a better job with the future of a rebuilding team, I will listen. Jmo 




I've always been ambivilent about Girardi. Don't love him and don't dislike him. I think in all the years he's here, he's never lost the clubhouse and to me that's the most important job a manager has, that managing the bullpen and keeping the press and front office off the players backs. He's been here a long time and maybe the players need to hear a new voice, Either way I'm ok if he comes back or leaves




I believe in playing the hot hand.  Girardi likes benching guys when they feel good about themselves and allowing players to play their way out of slumps.  I wouldn't use the pen anything like he does.  Having said that I think he is one of the best in the game at getting the most out of his players and I think it would be foolish to switch now.




I'm more in favor of playing a steady lineup like Girardi does. I think recognizing a 162 game season and the up's and downs players go through and letting them play their way out of it is imperative. Players understanding their role and the fact we don't hear much complaining from them is imo an important part of it. I do get frustrated when he benches someone like he did with Andujar after one 3-4 game. Playing him a couple of games at that point of the season was important but it was just as important to get Headly back in there if he was your everyday 3rd baseman




I think it's healthy for no player; position, starter, set-up, closer to feel their role is their's.  It doesn't always work but I think players play best when they are playing for their job.  Wade Boggs vs Charlie Hayes kind of stuff.  I want the team to have depth for rest, injuries, and motivation.


This offseason the thing I think we need more than anything is to sign a veteran catcher.  I think Sanchez was at his best when he was trying to take McCann's job just like Posada with Girardi.  I also think Sanchez has the tools to be an all time great.  Ivan Rodriguez was washed up as a Yankee but I think bringing him in lit a fire under Posada.  The Yankees should try to get Lucroy, Avila, or Suzuki this offseason as backup C/DH/1B.





1 year ago  ::  Aug 12, 2017 - 1:21PM #227
Cocopugg
Posts: 5,983

Aug 12, 2017 -- 11:46AM, luvdayanks wrote:


Aug 12, 2017 -- 8:02AM, newinn wrote:


I thought Joe made a mistake by not getting the pen up earlier.I would have gotten up Kahnle instead of Betances once runners got on 1st and 2nd because of Betances inability to hold runners and his own control issues. IMO Joe didn't have a great game. Doesn't make him a bad bullpen manager.




Girardi makes some tactical errors from time to time as ALL managers do, but he's still one of the best managers in baseball.  I don't buy the white noise about maybe he's past his expiration date just for the sake of making a change. When someone can give me viable names to replace him, that will do a better job with the future of a rebuilding team, I will listen. Jmo 




Don Mattingly....and before you all laugh and say he stinks, etc., etc. I want you all to take a look at Mattingly's managerial record:


www.baseball-reference.com/managers/matt...


and compare them with someone else who was also considered a "bad manager" before he came to the Bronx:


www.baseball-reference.com/managers/torr...


1 year ago  ::  Aug 12, 2017 - 1:30PM #228
newinn
Posts: 30,873

good baseball conversation this morning everyone. Thanks!! It sure beats the "fire Girardi, DFA whomever" converstaion that takes place here all too often when the trolls are out. Lot's of respectful disagreement and that's what the board should be about

1 year ago  ::  Aug 12, 2017 - 2:19PM #229
bronxitalian35
Posts: 469
Right on what New said
1 year ago  ::  Aug 12, 2017 - 2:23PM #230
louisiana_lightning
Posts: 12,213

Aug 12, 2017 -- 1:30PM, newinn wrote:


good baseball conversation this morning everyone. Thanks!! It sure beats the "fire Girardi, DFA whomever" converstaion that takes place here all too often when the trolls are out. Lot's of respectful disagreement and that's what the board should be about




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