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4 weeks ago  ::  Oct 27, 2017 - 12:21PM #1
RobS44
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Just wondering if people think winning game 6 or 7 of the ALCS and making it to the WS would have changed the Yankees thinking to let Girardi leave?  If they had won the WS?  Keep in mind the Yankees have canned two managers who lost game 7 of a WS (Stengal in 1960 and Yogi in 1964).
4 weeks ago  ::  Oct 27, 2017 - 12:44PM #2
newinn
Posts: 28,480

Oct 27, 2017 -- 12:21PM, RobS44 wrote:

Just wondering if people think winning game 6 or 7 of the ALCS and making it to the WS would have changed the Yankees thinking to let Girardi leave?  If they had won the WS?  Keep in mind the Yankees have canned two managers who lost game 7 of a WS (Stengal in 1960 and Yogi in 1964).



I think it would have been a PR nightmare if they fired him after winning a WS and I doubt they would have. Might have if the got into the WS and lost

4 weeks ago  ::  Oct 27, 2017 - 1:26PM #3
ArtVandelay
Posts: 28,436

had we won it all Girardi may have beaten the Yanks to the punch and announced he's done during the celebration...  would have been a great way to finish a career...   not sure why these guys need to keep working when they are swimming in dough....  maybe they just want to get away from nagging wives

4 weeks ago  ::  Oct 27, 2017 - 2:55PM #4
Lola
Posts: 18,083

More and more I'm thinking game 2 against Cleveland had something to do with Girardi getting The Boot.

4 weeks ago  ::  Oct 27, 2017 - 2:59PM #5
theBaron
Posts: 1,710

Oct 27, 2017 -- 2:55PM, Lola wrote:


More and more I'm thinking game 2 against Cleveland had something to do with Girardi getting The Boot.




I think the decision was made awhile ago ...of course game 2 , didnt help.

"it's when the Yankees score eight runs in the first inning .....and then slowly pull away"
Yankees owner Jacob Ruppert , on a perfect afternoon at Yankee Stadium.
4 weeks ago  ::  Oct 27, 2017 - 3:37PM #6
FW57Clipper51
Posts: 14,663

Oct 27, 2017 -- 12:21PM, RobS44 wrote:

Just wondering if people think winning game 6 or 7 of the ALCS and making it to the WS would have changed the Yankees thinking to let Girardi leave?  If they had won the WS?  Keep in mind the Yankees have canned two managers who lost game 7 of a WS (Stengal in 1960 and Yogi in 1964).



1. Manager Yogi Berra's firing was in the works as in the works early in August of 1964. Yankees GM Ralph Houk wanted his own man in charge of the team. He felt that Yogi had lost control of the team as Manager,  the Phil Linz incident in Chicago, didn't help out things. Yankees Co-Team Owner Dan Topping had selected Yogi to manage the 1964 Yankees. Even if he had won the 1964 World Series he would have been gone, dispite capturing the 1964  AL pennant with 99 victories. Oddy Johnny Keane's job in St. Louis was in trouble in August of 1964 with Cardinals Owner Busch wanting to can him, but he decided to wait until the end of 1964 NL season. Keane surprised everyone by winning the NL Flag and 1964 World Series, he left the Cardinals, knowing the that Houk wanted him to managed the Yankees for the 1965 AL season, because Houk had contacted him secretly in August of 1964.


2. Casey Stengel's Yankees manager contract expired in October of 1960. The Yankees Co-Team Owners Dan Topping and Del Webb had decided to let him finish out the contract and retire. Casey had turned down a offer to manage the 1960 Tigers during the winter of 1959. THe Yankees should have fired him after the 3rd place finish in 1959, instead Yankees MLB pitching coach Jim Turner took the fall for the team's poor 3rd place finish. Stengel's drinking, sleeping on the bench during the games didn't help him out, plus he no longer cared about the  team's younger players. MLB Coach Ralph Houk was waiting in the wings to take over the team, the Tigers wanted him for their 1961 team Manager.



Clipper



Clipper

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4 weeks ago  ::  Oct 27, 2017 - 3:43PM #7
Lola
Posts: 18,083

Oct 27, 2017 -- 3:37PM, FW57Clipper51 wrote:


Oct 27, 2017 -- 12:21PM, RobS44 wrote:

Just wondering if people think winning game 6 or 7 of the ALCS and making it to the WS would have changed the Yankees thinking to let Girardi leave?  If they had won the WS?  Keep in mind the Yankees have canned two managers who lost game 7 of a WS (Stengal in 1960 and Yogi in 1964).



1. Manager Yogi Berra's firing was in the works as in the works early in August of 1964. Yankees GM Ralph Houk wanted his own man in charge of the team. He felt that Yogi had lost control of the team as Manager,  the Phil Linz incident in Chicago, didn't help out things. Yankees Co-Team Owner Dan Topping had selected Yogi to manage the 1964 Yankees. Even if he had won the 1964 World Series he would have been gone, dispite capturing the 1964  AL pennant with 99 victories. Oddy Johnny Keane's job in St. Louis was in trouble in August of 1964 with Cardinals Owner Busch wanting to can him, but he decided to wait until the end of 1964 NL season. Keane surprised everyone by winning the NL Flag and 1964 World Series, he left the Cardinals, knowing the that Houk wanted him to managed the Yankees for the 1965 AL season, because Houk had contacted him secretly in August of 1964.


2. Casey Stengel's Yankees manager contract expired in October of 1960. The Yankees Co-Team Owners Dan Topping and Del Webb had decided to let him finish out the contract and retire. Casey had turned down a offer to manage the 1960 Tigers during the winter of 1959. THe Yankees should have fired him after the 3rd place finish in 1959, instead Yankees MLB pitching coach Jim Turner took the fall for the team's poor 3rd place finish. Stengel's drinking, sleeping on the bench during the games didn't help him out, plus he no longer cared about the  team's younger players. MLB Coach Ralph Houk was waiting in the wings to take over the team, the Tigers wanted him for their 1961 team Manager.



Clipper



Clipper




Good stuff Clipper... Thanks!


Lol...How times have changed....Casey Stengel drinking and sleeping on the bench during games. 

4 weeks ago  ::  Oct 27, 2017 - 3:48PM #8
FW57Clipper51
Posts: 14,663

Oct 27, 2017 -- 3:43PM, Lola wrote:


Oct 27, 2017 -- 3:37PM, FW57Clipper51 wrote:


Oct 27, 2017 -- 12:21PM, RobS44 wrote:

Just wondering if people think winning game 6 or 7 of the ALCS and making it to the WS would have changed the Yankees thinking to let Girardi leave?  If they had won the WS?  Keep in mind the Yankees have canned two managers who lost game 7 of a WS (Stengal in 1960 and Yogi in 1964).



1. Manager Yogi Berra's firing was in the works as in the works early in August of 1964. Yankees GM Ralph Houk wanted his own man in charge of the team. He felt that Yogi had lost control of the team as Manager,  the Phil Linz incident in Chicago, didn't help out things. Yankees Co-Team Owner Dan Topping had selected Yogi to manage the 1964 Yankees. Even if he had won the 1964 World Series he would have been gone, dispite capturing the 1964  AL pennant with 99 victories. Oddy Johnny Keane's job in St. Louis was in trouble in August of 1964 with Cardinals Owner Busch wanting to can him, but he decided to wait until the end of 1964 NL season. Keane surprised everyone by winning the NL Flag and 1964 World Series, he left the Cardinals, knowing the that Houk wanted him to managed the Yankees for the 1965 AL season, because Houk had contacted him secretly in August of 1964.


2. Casey Stengel's Yankees manager contract expired in October of 1960. The Yankees Co-Team Owners Dan Topping and Del Webb had decided to let him finish out the contract and retire. Casey had turned down a offer to manage the 1960 Tigers during the winter of 1959. THe Yankees should have fired him after the 3rd place finish in 1959, instead Yankees MLB pitching coach Jim Turner took the fall for the team's poor 3rd place finish. Stengel's drinking, sleeping on the bench during the games didn't help him out, plus he no longer cared about the  team's younger players. MLB Coach Ralph Houk was waiting in the wings to take over the team, the Tigers wanted him for their 1961 team Manager.



Clipper



Clipper




Good stuff Clipper... Thanks!


Lol...How times have changed....Casey Stengel drinking and sleeping on the bench during games. 




The older Yankees players would tell the younger players don't wake him up, we're winning the game, he'll lose it. Casey's drinking was so bad they had Casey's wife Edna join the team to keep an eye on him. 



Clipper

http://i50.tinypic.com/vfvbja.jpg


4 weeks ago  ::  Oct 27, 2017 - 3:51PM #9
realglenn
Posts: 2,288

Oct 27, 2017 -- 2:55PM, Lola wrote:


More and more I'm thinking game 2 against Cleveland had something to do with Girardi getting The Boot.




That, the Clippard fiasco game July 7th, and a number of other fiascos resulting from his not wanting to "disturb the pitcher's rhythm" are exactly what did it.  If he'd won that 7th ALCS game, he's have found a way to blow the World Series, sure as shootin'.  He was performing so badly it was like it was intentional because it didn't look like it could happen by accident.


When the full story comes out, even if it's decades from now, there's gonna be Hell to pay.


There's something the matter with Girardi.  I'm not sure what it is exactly; but there's clearly something the matter with him.  I'm not sure he even belongs in baseball at all anymore.

4 weeks ago  ::  Oct 27, 2017 - 3:58PM #10
Lola
Posts: 18,083

Oct 27, 2017 -- 3:48PM, FW57Clipper51 wrote:


Oct 27, 2017 -- 3:43PM, Lola wrote:


Oct 27, 2017 -- 3:37PM, FW57Clipper51 wrote:


Oct 27, 2017 -- 12:21PM, RobS44 wrote:

Just wondering if people think winning game 6 or 7 of the ALCS and making it to the WS would have changed the Yankees thinking to let Girardi leave?  If they had won the WS?  Keep in mind the Yankees have canned two managers who lost game 7 of a WS (Stengal in 1960 and Yogi in 1964).



1. Manager Yogi Berra's firing was in the works as in the works early in August of 1964. Yankees GM Ralph Houk wanted his own man in charge of the team. He felt that Yogi had lost control of the team as Manager,  the Phil Linz incident in Chicago, didn't help out things. Yankees Co-Team Owner Dan Topping had selected Yogi to manage the 1964 Yankees. Even if he had won the 1964 World Series he would have been gone, dispite capturing the 1964  AL pennant with 99 victories. Oddy Johnny Keane's job in St. Louis was in trouble in August of 1964 with Cardinals Owner Busch wanting to can him, but he decided to wait until the end of 1964 NL season. Keane surprised everyone by winning the NL Flag and 1964 World Series, he left the Cardinals, knowing the that Houk wanted him to managed the Yankees for the 1965 AL season, because Houk had contacted him secretly in August of 1964.


2. Casey Stengel's Yankees manager contract expired in October of 1960. The Yankees Co-Team Owners Dan Topping and Del Webb had decided to let him finish out the contract and retire. Casey had turned down a offer to manage the 1960 Tigers during the winter of 1959. THe Yankees should have fired him after the 3rd place finish in 1959, instead Yankees MLB pitching coach Jim Turner took the fall for the team's poor 3rd place finish. Stengel's drinking, sleeping on the bench during the games didn't help him out, plus he no longer cared about the  team's younger players. MLB Coach Ralph Houk was waiting in the wings to take over the team, the Tigers wanted him for their 1961 team Manager.



Clipper



Clipper




Good stuff Clipper... Thanks!


Lol...How times have changed....Casey Stengel drinking and sleeping on the bench during games. 




The older Yankees players would tell the younger players don't wake him up, we're winning the game, he'll lose it. Casey's drinking was so bad they had Casey's wife Edna join the team to keep an eye on him. 



Clipper




That's very funny!

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