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Ohtani hires US agent
1 week ago  ::  Nov 08, 2017 - 3:45PM #31
kyloren
Posts: 2,468

this is a good article that explains how the posting system works, basically the maximum amount you can bid is 20 million dollars. so any team that bids 20 million can ener into contract negeotiations. I beleve when Tanaka was posted three teams posted 20 million we were one of those teams. 


nypost.com/2017/11/08/mlb-has-tentative-...

1 week ago  ::  Nov 08, 2017 - 5:54PM #32
luvdayanks
Posts: 22,030

Nov 8, 2017 -- 8:53AM, Raymond757 wrote:

They should go after Sharika Shaka less money and more tools




Contracts  and money hasn't even been discussed yet  so how is  it less money? Making up things again?

1 week ago  ::  Nov 08, 2017 - 11:27PM #33
davis2
Posts: 13,488

Nov 8, 2017 -- 11:24AM, luvdayanks wrote:


Nov 8, 2017 -- 10:33AM, newinn wrote:


Nov 8, 2017 -- 10:16AM, NW wrote:


Nov 7, 2017 -- 9:58PM, RobS44 wrote:


Nov 7, 2017 -- 8:24PM, newinn wrote:


Nov 7, 2017 -- 8:11PM, NW wrote:


Nov 7, 2017 -- 8:10PM, Bats wrote:


Nov 7, 2017 -- 7:36PM, NW wrote:


Haven't we learned from our mistakes and everyone else's?  Never pay top dollar for a Japanese suspect.




So.....just let other teams sign him?


You know how this works. The teams that offer the most money wins. 


Looks, I have my doubts on this guy too, but I am willing to give this guy a chance, if our scouts give the greenlight on him....which it looks like they are. I believe the Yankees learned a lot from the Igawa/Dice-K situation to restructure the way they scout Japanese players. 


In the Cashman era, the Yankees are 2 for 3, when it comes to Japanese players. Matsui and Tanaka are the two players the Yankees really wanted from Japan, paid them top dollar, and they ended up being worthy investments. This guy could be the next Tanaka and Matsui ......combined.....lol....literally. 




Tanaka has been a failure.




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Sure Tanaka's 2017 wasn't what you hope to get for $22 mil, but it's hard to consider his 4 years as a whole a "failure."


Then again, NW claimed his elbow ligament had to have healed otherwise he couldn't have pitched as well as he did.  Of course, he is the ONLY person who has suggesgted that.  EVERY article discussing will he or won't he as regards opting out mentioned the elbow as a potential red flag to any team interested in signing him.




Grade 1 tears heal.  They are actually not tears, just strains.  Look it up in any medical book.  If he truly had a grade 1 tear, there is zero reason to be concerned.  Have you ever rolled your ankle?  It's sore for a couple of days, but you go along living your life and in a few days you forget about it.  That's a grade 1 tear.  Of course, we aren't major league baseball players, so a grade 1 ligament tear would require a short DL stint to rest it and then they'll be back to normal.


There are only 2 reasons that we should be concerned about Tanaka's elbow.  1.  The Yankees reported a higher grade tear as a grade 1 tear.  2.  The press has no idea what they're talking about.




Having played High School and college basketball, I rolled my ankle more than I care to remember. While I never tore a ligament or tendon, it sure did weaken my ankle to the point that a mis step my whole life caused a new sprain




I've done the same thing getting up in the middle of the night to pee. Does that count?



We don't want to know what you strained!

1 week ago  ::  Nov 09, 2017 - 12:55AM #34
moonmaster
Posts: 46

Nov 7, 2017 -- 7:53PM, luvdayanks wrote:


Nov 7, 2017 -- 7:48PM, NW wrote:


Nov 7, 2017 -- 7:42PM, newinn wrote:


Nov 7, 2017 -- 7:36PM, NW wrote:


Haven't we learned from our mistakes and everyone else's?  Never pay top dollar for a Japanese suspect.




what's top dollar?




Well, considering Nomo, Kuroda, and maybe Darvish (jury still out) are the only Japanese pitchers ever to have a moderate level of success, any dollar is top dollar.  I'd offer him nothing more than a minor league contract and let him pitch at AAA and prove that he can pitch.




I'm  sure there are teams that will offer much more than a minor  league offer . 




If he comes this year, since he is under 25, he is considered an international amateur. The best any team can offer is a signing bonus (capped by the pool money available) and a minor league deal. Yes, there is probably a large posting fee, but considering he isn't signing some long big money contract, I think the Yankees have to push for this guy. 

1 week ago  ::  Nov 09, 2017 - 10:49AM #35
laurenfrances
Posts: 30,616

Yankees can pay most for Shohei Otani, with one exception


MLB rules prohibit the Yankees from blowing away the competition when it comes to paying Shohei Otani.


But they’ll still have advantage over 28 other teams when it comes to how much they can offer the 23-year-old, two-way star from Japan’s Nippon Professional Baseball League, assuming he’s eligible to come to the majors in 2018.


The Bombers can offer Otani a $3.25 million signing bonus, according to a report from the Associated Press. Only the Rangers, at $3.535 million, can offer more. The Twins are next, at $3.245 million.


Other big market clubs can offer the following: Red Sox ($462,000), Cubs ($300,000), Dodgers ($300,000).


It must be noted, however, that Otani isn’t coming over strictly for the money. If that were the case, he’d wait until he turns 25, when there is no limit on how much teams can offer.


That’s how Masahiro Tanaka got a seven-year, $155 million deal from the Yankees in 2014.


“I expect that we will reach some sort of agreement with NPB,” MLB commissioner Rob Manfred said at Joe Torre’s Safe At Home gala event Wednesday night. “What Mr. Ohtani decides to do, you’re going to have to talk to him about that.”


Otani makes a lot of sense for the Bombers, who want to get under the $197 million luxury-tax threshold for 2018, because he’s young, cost-effective and has significant potential.


The Yankees could potentially sell him on a dual role in which he starts on the mound and then DHs a bit, with other position players like Aaron Judge and Gary Sanchez getting some occasional DH days as well.


Having Tanaka on the roster is an asset based on how he went through what Otani will be going through in terms of acclimating himself into a new environment.


The Bombers are also set up for a potentially big future given their young core, strong farm system and significant payroll flexibility in 2019, when the likes of Bryce Harper, Manny Machado and Clayton Kershaw (if he opts out) can be free agents.


Otani selected agent Nez Balelo of CAA Sports to represent him, a source confirmed, a step in the right direction toward him joining an MLB club next season.


While the posting agreement between MLB and NPB has expired, the sides agreed several weeks ago to the outlines of a deal that would for this offseason continue the rules of the previous agreement, a person familiar with that negotiation told the AP. The rules call for the Japanese club to set a maximum $20 million posting fee, and any MLB club willing to bid that amount would be able to negotiate with Otani for 30 days. 

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1 week ago  ::  Nov 09, 2017 - 12:31PM #36
Joeybagadonutz
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This is literally the only FA I want outside of a lefty reliever like Mike Minor. He was lights out. Otani fills two holes that need filling. Make it happen OR FIRE CASHMAN!!!! Just kidding, but seriously I want them to land this guy.  

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1 week ago  ::  Nov 09, 2017 - 12:38PM #37
Joeybagadonutz
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Nov 8, 2017 -- 3:36PM, ArtVandelay wrote:


whatever Otani wants the Yanks need to cave...  let him pick his spot in the lineup, his position and let him pitch when he feels like it!  I hope he is in the meetings for picking a new manager too!  give him whatever he wants!  Trillions in Japanese revenue is on the line!  YellYellYell




WOrd is that McAdooochsh is the favorite for new Yankee manager. Anyone wanna toss Titanic in the ole DVD player?!

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