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2 weeks ago  ::  Nov 09, 2017 - 10:11PM #11
Dakota1369
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Nov 9, 2017 -- 3:26PM, newinn wrote:

I certainly understand that many Yankee fans here are upset that Cashman dumped Girardi. I always said I was ambivilent about Girardi but I think who he replaces him with is going to be important.With that being said Cashman has done a great job in putting the current roster together  and imo, that's far more important then letting Girardi go. I've always thought Cash was very underrated as a GM and was frequently hamstrung buy guys like Levine. I'll trust Cashman to do the right thing for the Yankees 



Couldn't agree with you more New. I trust Cash knows what he's doing. I know if we don't make it to the Series next year, Cash and the new mgr will catch hell by the media and fans, but there's no guarantee Girardi would get us there either.

2 weeks ago  ::  Nov 09, 2017 - 10:59PM #12
brennele
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Girardi was one game away from going to the World Series and he was fired.  There has to be lots more to this story because on its face it makes no sense at all.



Almost does not count except in horseshoes.  Fact is that it has been a very long time since the Yankees played in a WS game. I think a better way to phrase your comment would be that if the Yankees made it to the WS in 2017, Girardi probably would have been renewed.  People are paid to produce results............2010.....2011........2012.....2013......2014...........2015............2016..........2017........get it?  It is a long stretch to come up empty handed esp when you are paid 4 mil to get results.   Bottom line........"we pay for results."   He did not produce.  It does not have to be any more complicated than that.  We are not talking about someone making $60K to manage the local Shoprite, here.  Yeah, in that setting and for that salary, you can cut people lots of breaks.   When you are talking 4 mil and the NY Yankees, the stakes are much higher.  In that setting you have got to bring home the bacon or you are toast.  No bacon.........he's toast.

2 weeks ago  ::  Nov 09, 2017 - 11:12PM #13
Patty
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Brenelle - this was a team that was predicted to go nowhere.  Safe to say they over-achieved.
2 weeks ago  ::  Nov 10, 2017 - 12:12AM #14
brennele
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Yes, but Patty, they are paying some man 4 mil for that NOT to be the case.  The very fact that the team is predicted to go nowhere tells you that something is wrong.  That scenario should not be the case.  What was wrong and how much of that something is/was the fault of Girardi can be debated. 


The part in this paradigm which I do not know is how much say the manager has in who gets contracts, who gets traded, who gets acquired, etc.  If that sort of matter is under his control, then he has culpability in how things turn out.  If the owners do not consider his opinions and make their own choices then expected him to manage the players, that is something else.   When a team underperforms, there is a reason why they are underachieving.  Management needs to determine the cause and fix the problem.  That being said, he has to have the power and authority to do so.  I don't know whether owners hamstring managers and then blame them when things go wrong or whether they give them free reign and then hold them accountable.  No doubt people here know more than I do and could say which it is.    If he has free reign and full authority then it IS his job to get the act together and get the whole thing right.


I read a whole lot of warm and fuzzy comments here - sadly, mostly from the women posters - about what a great guy he is.  Well, that is just fine but that is not his job.  His job is to win penants and win series and he was not doing that.  He is not being paid to be "nice." 

2 weeks ago  ::  Nov 10, 2017 - 6:15AM #15
newinn
Posts: 28,471

Nov 9, 2017 -- 10:11PM, Dakota1369 wrote:


Nov 9, 2017 -- 3:26PM, newinn wrote:

I certainly understand that many Yankee fans here are upset that Cashman dumped Girardi. I always said I was ambivilent about Girardi but I think who he replaces him with is going to be important.With that being said Cashman has done a great job in putting the current roster together  and imo, that's far more important then letting Girardi go. I've always thought Cash was very underrated as a GM and was frequently hamstrung buy guys like Levine. I'll trust Cashman to do the right thing for the Yankees 



Couldn't agree with you more New. I trust Cash knows what he's doing. I know if we don't make it to the Series next year, Cash and the new mgr will catch hell by the media and fans, but there's no guarantee Girardi would get us there either.




Hey Dakota!!!! How the heck you been? Long time since we've seen you. Hope to see you more often and I hope life is treating you well.

2 weeks ago  ::  Nov 10, 2017 - 7:04AM #16
bomberhojoe
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Cashman made this decision because of his ego, IMO. I will never be convinced this was a baseball decision.
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2 weeks ago  ::  Nov 10, 2017 - 8:36AM #17
newinn
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Rob Thompson said his interview lasted 6 hours Wed. Absolutely ridiculous

2 weeks ago  ::  Nov 10, 2017 - 9:04AM #18
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 67,640

Nov 10, 2017 -- 8:36AM, newinn wrote:


Rob Thompson said his interview lasted 6 hours Wed. Absolutely ridiculous




Long interview means they are very interested in him.

2 weeks ago  ::  Nov 10, 2017 - 9:21AM #19
newinn
Posts: 28,471

Nov 10, 2017 -- 9:04AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Nov 10, 2017 -- 8:36AM, newinn wrote:


Rob Thompson said his interview lasted 6 hours Wed. Absolutely ridiculous




Long interview means they are very interested in him.




Probably or it could be they were just giving him a long courtesy interview since he's been in the organization for 25 years. Thompson spoke of a ton f loyalty to Girardi in the media interview and perhaps the FO was either getting more on Girardi or trying to figure how Rob would be different then Joe. Who the heck knows

2 weeks ago  ::  Nov 10, 2017 - 10:52AM #20
luvdayanks
Posts: 22,049

Nov 10, 2017 -- 8:36AM, newinn wrote:


Rob Thompson said his interview lasted 6 hours Wed. Absolutely ridiculous




Was there a rain delay?

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