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Cashman needs to fall on his knees, and beg Girardi to come back, admitting he made a big mistake!
1 week ago  ::  Nov 10, 2017 - 10:21PM #41
Cocopugg
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Nov 10, 2017 -- 8:43PM, dixieyank wrote:


Nov 10, 2017 -- 8:19PM, Cocopugg wrote:



Really? Funny thing, I don't remember ANY superstars (except Clemens who got onboard late) on the 1996-2001 Yankee championship teams, and as I recall, George was still the owner back then!




Wade Boggs, Tim Raines, Darryl Strawberry, Cecil Fielder, Dwight Gooden, David Cone, David Wells, Chuck Knoblauch, Chili Davis, David Justice.


Then if you go forward to 2001, you got Mike Mussina. 2002 you got Giambi, Ventura, Raul Mondesi, and David Wells was back. 2004 would see Kevin Brown, Jon Lieber, trade for Loaiza, Tom Gordon, Javy Vasquez, Kenny Lofton, Olerud, Tony Clark, Miguel Cairo, Gary Sheffield.






All of them long past their superstar status. How many of them won MVPs or CY Young awards during the 1996-2001 seasons? The point is, those teams won with very good players, no one standing out with the current "superstar" labels, that Judge and Sanchez have today.

1 week ago  ::  Nov 10, 2017 - 10:29PM #42
brennele
Posts: 361

Coco,


But no matter how great someone is - people do not perform as well in sports as they get older (unless your name happens to be Mariano).  So with that being said, how sound is it to offer 10 year contract to people, no matter how good they are now.  Sooner or later, all of these people are going to age and now you are going to have a bunch of very expensive players who understandably - and, more importantly, predictably - are not performing at the level they did many years earlier.  Altuve, Judge, Sanchez, Springer....etc.  They are all great and very impressive players.  Does anyone think that in 10 years they are going to be performing at their current level?  Marianos are once in a lifetime phenomenon.  It just does not happen that often.

1 week ago  ::  Nov 11, 2017 - 7:26AM #43
newinn
Posts: 28,464

Nov 10, 2017 -- 9:42PM, Lola wrote:


Nov 10, 2017 -- 9:23PM, RobS44 wrote:


Nov 10, 2017 -- 3:04PM, NYC_Mike7 wrote:


Yanks interviewing Eric Wedge today. I can see it now, if yanks don't win next year, some people are going to blame Cashman for firing Girardi. First year for the new manager is going to be difficult with massive criticism.




It's an absolute given that if they do not win the WS next season, no matter who the manager is, the peasants will be at the gates of Yankee Stadium with torches and pitch forks demanding Cashman's head.




They're probably sharpening their pitchforks now. I can see it now!


I really hate this expectation that we're suppose to win next season. That's a lot of pressure to put on a young club. Not to mention they haven't done anything to improve. We really need a sp.




I agree Lola. Too many expectations. The first 3 game losing streak and we'll be firing everybody

1 week ago  ::  Nov 11, 2017 - 6:25PM #44
Cocopugg
Posts: 2,642

Nov 11, 2017 -- 7:26AM, newinn wrote:


Nov 10, 2017 -- 9:42PM, Lola wrote:


Nov 10, 2017 -- 9:23PM, RobS44 wrote:


Nov 10, 2017 -- 3:04PM, NYC_Mike7 wrote:


Yanks interviewing Eric Wedge today. I can see it now, if yanks don't win next year, some people are going to blame Cashman for firing Girardi. First year for the new manager is going to be difficult with massive criticism.




It's an absolute given that if they do not win the WS next season, no matter who the manager is, the peasants will be at the gates of Yankee Stadium with torches and pitch forks demanding Cashman's head.




They're probably sharpening their pitchforks now. I can see it now!


I really hate this expectation that we're suppose to win next season. That's a lot of pressure to put on a young club. Not to mention they haven't done anything to improve. We really need a sp.




I agree Lola. Too many expectations. The first 3 game losing streak and we'll be firing everybody




You know, newinn, in a sense, Joe Torre didn't have as much pressure going into the 1996 season, as whoever becomes the new Yankees manager will have in 2018, because the Yankees were eliminated in the first round of the playoffs in 1995...In 2018, everyone will be reminding the Yankees how the team got to within 1 game of making it to the World Series, so anything less than getting to the WS will be seen as a failure, maybe not so much by fans, as by the NY media.

1 week ago  ::  Nov 11, 2017 - 6:34PM #45
newinn
Posts: 28,464

Nov 11, 2017 -- 6:25PM, Cocopugg wrote:


Nov 11, 2017 -- 7:26AM, newinn wrote:


Nov 10, 2017 -- 9:42PM, Lola wrote:


Nov 10, 2017 -- 9:23PM, RobS44 wrote:


Nov 10, 2017 -- 3:04PM, NYC_Mike7 wrote:


Yanks interviewing Eric Wedge today. I can see it now, if yanks don't win next year, some people are going to blame Cashman for firing Girardi. First year for the new manager is going to be difficult with massive criticism.




It's an absolute given that if they do not win the WS next season, no matter who the manager is, the peasants will be at the gates of Yankee Stadium with torches and pitch forks demanding Cashman's head.




They're probably sharpening their pitchforks now. I can see it now!


I really hate this expectation that we're suppose to win next season. That's a lot of pressure to put on a young club. Not to mention they haven't done anything to improve. We really need a sp.




I agree Lola. Too many expectations. The first 3 game losing streak and we'll be firing everybody




You know, newinn, in a sense, Joe Torre didn't have as much pressure going into the 1996 season, as whoever becomes the new Yankees manager will have in 2018, because the Yankees were eliminated in the first round of the playoffs in 1995...In 2018, everyone will be reminding the Yankees how the team got to within 1 game of making it to the World Series, so anything less than getting to the WS will be seen as a failure, maybe not so much by fans, as by the NY media.




I think the lions will be at the gate by the fans on this message board coco. I really do believe the playoffs are a crap shoot and as crazy as it sounds I think the best team over the course of a season is the best team. I know I'm alone on this but it's how I honestly feel. Certainlynot saying I don't get excited over the playoffs because I do but I'm just not a believer that the best team always wins a short series.

1 week ago  ::  Nov 11, 2017 - 6:51PM #46
Cocopugg
Posts: 2,642

Nov 11, 2017 -- 6:34PM, newinn wrote:


Nov 11, 2017 -- 6:25PM, Cocopugg wrote:


Nov 11, 2017 -- 7:26AM, newinn wrote:


Nov 10, 2017 -- 9:42PM, Lola wrote:


Nov 10, 2017 -- 9:23PM, RobS44 wrote:


Nov 10, 2017 -- 3:04PM, NYC_Mike7 wrote:


Yanks interviewing Eric Wedge today. I can see it now, if yanks don't win next year, some people are going to blame Cashman for firing Girardi. First year for the new manager is going to be difficult with massive criticism.




It's an absolute given that if they do not win the WS next season, no matter who the manager is, the peasants will be at the gates of Yankee Stadium with torches and pitch forks demanding Cashman's head.




They're probably sharpening their pitchforks now. I can see it now!


I really hate this expectation that we're suppose to win next season. That's a lot of pressure to put on a young club. Not to mention they haven't done anything to improve. We really need a sp.




I agree Lola. Too many expectations. The first 3 game losing streak and we'll be firing everybody




You know, newinn, in a sense, Joe Torre didn't have as much pressure going into the 1996 season, as whoever becomes the new Yankees manager will have in 2018, because the Yankees were eliminated in the first round of the playoffs in 1995...In 2018, everyone will be reminding the Yankees how the team got to within 1 game of making it to the World Series, so anything less than getting to the WS will be seen as a failure, maybe not so much by fans, as by the NY media.




I think the lions will be at the gate by the fans on this message board coco. I really do believe the playoffs are a crap shoot and as crazy as it sounds I think the best team over the course of a season is the best team. I know I'm alone on this but it's how I honestly feel. Certainlynot saying I don't get excited over the playoffs because I do but I'm just not a believer that the best team always wins a short series.




Does that mean you think the Indians were the best team this season, followed by the Astros?

1 week ago  ::  Nov 11, 2017 - 7:02PM #47
newinn
Posts: 28,464

Nov 11, 2017 -- 6:51PM, Cocopugg wrote:


Nov 11, 2017 -- 6:34PM, newinn wrote:


Nov 11, 2017 -- 6:25PM, Cocopugg wrote:


Nov 11, 2017 -- 7:26AM, newinn wrote:


Nov 10, 2017 -- 9:42PM, Lola wrote:


Nov 10, 2017 -- 9:23PM, RobS44 wrote:


Nov 10, 2017 -- 3:04PM, NYC_Mike7 wrote:


Yanks interviewing Eric Wedge today. I can see it now, if yanks don't win next year, some people are going to blame Cashman for firing Girardi. First year for the new manager is going to be difficult with massive criticism.




It's an absolute given that if they do not win the WS next season, no matter who the manager is, the peasants will be at the gates of Yankee Stadium with torches and pitch forks demanding Cashman's head.




They're probably sharpening their pitchforks now. I can see it now!


I really hate this expectation that we're suppose to win next season. That's a lot of pressure to put on a young club. Not to mention they haven't done anything to improve. We really need a sp.




I agree Lola. Too many expectations. The first 3 game losing streak and we'll be firing everybody




You know, newinn, in a sense, Joe Torre didn't have as much pressure going into the 1996 season, as whoever becomes the new Yankees manager will have in 2018, because the Yankees were eliminated in the first round of the playoffs in 1995...In 2018, everyone will be reminding the Yankees how the team got to within 1 game of making it to the World Series, so anything less than getting to the WS will be seen as a failure, maybe not so much by fans, as by the NY media.




I think the lions will be at the gate by the fans on this message board coco. I really do believe the playoffs are a crap shoot and as crazy as it sounds I think the best team over the course of a season is the best team. I know I'm alone on this but it's how I honestly feel. Certainlynot saying I don't get excited over the playoffs because I do but I'm just not a believer that the best team always wins a short series.




Does that mean you think the Indians were the best team this season, followed by the Astros?




I do. Having the best record over 162 games is impressive to me.  I also think the '69 Orioles were a better team than the Mets

1 week ago  ::  Nov 11, 2017 - 8:10PM #48
judgernaut
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To every person who ever said "fire Joe!" I would ask who they would replace him with... still never did get an answer... and here we are
1 week ago  ::  Nov 11, 2017 - 8:37PM #49
davis2
Posts: 13,499

Nov 10, 2017 -- 4:49PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Nov 10, 2017 -- 4:47PM, Cocopugg wrote:


Nov 10, 2017 -- 4:05PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Getting to within one game of the World Series is not underperforming.




Mo, I agree with you...all kidding aside, I ragged on Girardi whenever I felt he blew a game, but after the post-season ended, as close as the Yankees got with Girardi as their skipper, I have to say that firing him at this point, is about the dumbest Yankee management decision I can ever remember anyone making. Even George would never fire a manager who got a young team as close to the WS as Girardi got them in 2017. They were primed to take it all the way next season. Now it will feel like they will have to start all over again for someone new. Unless we get someone who performs a first yr miracle, the way Joe Torre did in 1996, which is highly unlikely!




It's a shame that they fired him without a game-plan in place.



There probably is, but with all the diversity edicts in place they are going to make it look good.

1 week ago  ::  Nov 11, 2017 - 8:40PM #50
davis2
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Nov 10, 2017 -- 8:19PM, Cocopugg wrote:




George LOVED Superstars. No way would he even put himself in a situation where the Yankees would field a young unproven team. NO WAY. 




Really? Funny thing, I don't remember ANY superstars (except Clemens who got onboard late) on the 1996-2001 Yankee championship teams, and as I recall, George was still the owner back then!



Those teams were built while he was suspended.

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