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Cashman needs to fall on his knees, and beg Girardi to come back, admitting he made a big mistake!
2 weeks ago  ::  Nov 10, 2017 - 4:48PM #21
newinn
Posts: 28,480

Nov 10, 2017 -- 4:46PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Nov 10, 2017 -- 4:45PM, newinn wrote:


Nov 10, 2017 -- 4:39PM, luvdayanks wrote:


Nov 10, 2017 -- 4:35PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Nov 10, 2017 -- 4:34PM, newinn wrote:


Nov 10, 2017 -- 4:27PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Nov 10, 2017 -- 4:25PM, moonmaster wrote:


Nov 10, 2017 -- 4:15PM, brennele wrote:


People who have an "Oh well, we lost, better luck next year" need to become NY Mets fans.  There was a time when it was just understood that the NY Yankees would be playing in the world series and if they did not, it was a remarkable event.  Something changed drastically - likely it was the luxury tax thing - but people now are grateful for crumbs.  Not a good attitude.  When you expect to lose, you lose.  There is this saying which goes to the effect of "If you think you can or you think you can't - either way you are right."  Perhaps I am naive but is not the job of the manager to manage the team to win?  The only excuse he would have for (repeated!) failures is if the owners micromanage him and don't let him do his job.  Perhaps that is so in which case he then gets a pass.  I don't know enough about baseball to comment as to whether Girardi was micromanaged or whether he is given free reign to win. 


Also, there has been a whole lot of talk about players past their prime who held long contracts and were dead wood for the team.  People accepted that scenario as though it was just a given i.e. an unavoidable state of affairs.  Well who gave the players those contracts, in the first place?  The contracts did not write themselves and fall from the sky.  Does management perhaps need a calculator and a textbook on physiology.  It was predictable scenario; it was a given that such would happen.  It is well known that every year a person becomes one year older.  A 25 year old with a 10 year contract will predictably become a 35 year old with a contract in force.




Didn't you say you were a newbie, and just became a Yankee fan a couple of months ago? 





She's an arrogant, condescending, SOB ... that's what she is.




Facinating. She's been following baseball for two months and already can tell long time Yankee fans that didn't want Girardi fired to go root for the Mets. I swear, you can't make this stuff up




She has her nerve I'll tell you that ... if she wasn't already on my sh!t list, she is now!




I think she's  using a different tactic of being a troll. She begs for information as a "newbie",  then seems to know it all.




whatever it is, it really is amazing




the word amazing should never be used to describe her ... a nutjob ... that's a good word to describe her.




that works tooLaughing

2 weeks ago  ::  Nov 10, 2017 - 4:49PM #22
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 67,642

Nov 10, 2017 -- 4:47PM, Cocopugg wrote:


Nov 10, 2017 -- 4:05PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Getting to within one game of the World Series is not underperforming.




Mo, I agree with you...all kidding aside, I ragged on Girardi whenever I felt he blew a game, but after the post-season ended, as close as the Yankees got with Girardi as their skipper, I have to say that firing him at this point, is about the dumbest Yankee management decision I can ever remember anyone making. Even George would never fire a manager who got a young team as close to the WS as Girardi got them in 2017. They were primed to take it all the way next season. Now it will feel like they will have to start all over again for someone new. Unless we get someone who performs a first yr miracle, the way Joe Torre did in 1996, which is highly unlikely!




It's a shame that they fired him without a game-plan in place.

2 weeks ago  ::  Nov 10, 2017 - 4:52PM #23
Cocopugg
Posts: 2,653

Nov 10, 2017 -- 4:49PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Nov 10, 2017 -- 4:47PM, Cocopugg wrote:


Nov 10, 2017 -- 4:05PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Getting to within one game of the World Series is not underperforming.




Mo, I agree with you...all kidding aside, I ragged on Girardi whenever I felt he blew a game, but after the post-season ended, as close as the Yankees got with Girardi as their skipper, I have to say that firing him at this point, is about the dumbest Yankee management decision I can ever remember anyone making. Even George would never fire a manager who got a young team as close to the WS as Girardi got them in 2017. They were primed to take it all the way next season. Now it will feel like they will have to start all over again for someone new. Unless we get someone who performs a first yr miracle, the way Joe Torre did in 1996, which is highly unlikely!




It's a shame that they fired him without a game-plan in place.




I completely agree with you. I bet you they are still scrambling to try and find who can replace Girardi, and I am positive that looking around, and not seeing anyone near Girardi's qualifications, they regret that hasty decision, BIG TIME...but of course, being management, they will never admit they made a mistake.

2 weeks ago  ::  Nov 10, 2017 - 4:56PM #24
newinn
Posts: 28,480

Nov 10, 2017 -- 4:39PM, luvdayanks wrote:


Nov 10, 2017 -- 4:35PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Nov 10, 2017 -- 4:34PM, newinn wrote:


Nov 10, 2017 -- 4:27PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Nov 10, 2017 -- 4:25PM, moonmaster wrote:


Nov 10, 2017 -- 4:15PM, brennele wrote:


People who have an "Oh well, we lost, better luck next year" need to become NY Mets fans.  There was a time when it was just understood that the NY Yankees would be playing in the world series and if they did not, it was a remarkable event.  Something changed drastically - likely it was the luxury tax thing - but people now are grateful for crumbs.  Not a good attitude.  When you expect to lose, you lose.  There is this saying which goes to the effect of "If you think you can or you think you can't - either way you are right."  Perhaps I am naive but is not the job of the manager to manage the team to win?  The only excuse he would have for (repeated!) failures is if the owners micromanage him and don't let him do his job.  Perhaps that is so in which case he then gets a pass.  I don't know enough about baseball to comment as to whether Girardi was micromanaged or whether he is given free reign to win. 


Also, there has been a whole lot of talk about players past their prime who held long contracts and were dead wood for the team.  People accepted that scenario as though it was just a given i.e. an unavoidable state of affairs.  Well who gave the players those contracts, in the first place?  The contracts did not write themselves and fall from the sky.  Does management perhaps need a calculator and a textbook on physiology.  It was predictable scenario; it was a given that such would happen.  It is well known that every year a person becomes one year older.  A 25 year old with a 10 year contract will predictably become a 35 year old with a contract in force.




Didn't you say you were a newbie, and just became a Yankee fan a couple of months ago? 





She's an arrogant, condescending, SOB ... that's what she is.




Facinating. She's been following baseball for two months and already can tell long time Yankee fans that didn't want Girardi fired to go root for the Mets. I swear, you can't make this stuff up




She has her nerve I'll tell you that ... if she wasn't already on my sh!t list, she is now!




I think she's  using a different tactic of being a troll. She begs for information as a "newbie",  then seems to know it all.




you know luv, the more I think about it, the more I think you're onto something

2 weeks ago  ::  Nov 10, 2017 - 4:59PM #25
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 67,642

Nov 10, 2017 -- 4:56PM, newinn wrote:


Nov 10, 2017 -- 4:39PM, luvdayanks wrote:


Nov 10, 2017 -- 4:35PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Nov 10, 2017 -- 4:34PM, newinn wrote:


Nov 10, 2017 -- 4:27PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Nov 10, 2017 -- 4:25PM, moonmaster wrote:


Nov 10, 2017 -- 4:15PM, brennele wrote:


People who have an "Oh well, we lost, better luck next year" need to become NY Mets fans.  There was a time when it was just understood that the NY Yankees would be playing in the world series and if they did not, it was a remarkable event.  Something changed drastically - likely it was the luxury tax thing - but people now are grateful for crumbs.  Not a good attitude.  When you expect to lose, you lose.  There is this saying which goes to the effect of "If you think you can or you think you can't - either way you are right."  Perhaps I am naive but is not the job of the manager to manage the team to win?  The only excuse he would have for (repeated!) failures is if the owners micromanage him and don't let him do his job.  Perhaps that is so in which case he then gets a pass.  I don't know enough about baseball to comment as to whether Girardi was micromanaged or whether he is given free reign to win. 


Also, there has been a whole lot of talk about players past their prime who held long contracts and were dead wood for the team.  People accepted that scenario as though it was just a given i.e. an unavoidable state of affairs.  Well who gave the players those contracts, in the first place?  The contracts did not write themselves and fall from the sky.  Does management perhaps need a calculator and a textbook on physiology.  It was predictable scenario; it was a given that such would happen.  It is well known that every year a person becomes one year older.  A 25 year old with a 10 year contract will predictably become a 35 year old with a contract in force.




Didn't you say you were a newbie, and just became a Yankee fan a couple of months ago? 





She's an arrogant, condescending, SOB ... that's what she is.




Facinating. She's been following baseball for two months and already can tell long time Yankee fans that didn't want Girardi fired to go root for the Mets. I swear, you can't make this stuff up




She has her nerve I'll tell you that ... if she wasn't already on my sh!t list, she is now!




I think she's  using a different tactic of being a troll. She begs for information as a "newbie",  then seems to know it all.




you know luv, the more I think about it, the more I think you're onto something




She's definitely not a Yankee fan ... the way she was falling all over Altuve and the Astros.

2 weeks ago  ::  Nov 10, 2017 - 6:25PM #26
brennele
Posts: 384

My, my, don't some of us have our panties in a bunch here.  I am absolutely a newbie and even a newbie can see the problems ongoing.  Now, the truth be told, I know some of this information thanks to my Mom who has been talking about the Yankees and some of these very issues for years now.  I only actually started watching baseball in Oct 2017.  I was not born yesterday, however.  I grew up in the NY metro area and EVERYBODY back in those days knew about the Yankees.  The Yankees always played in the WS and the Mets always lost.  The Mets were sort of laughing stock for years.  This sort of stuff was general knowledge.  One does not have to be a baseball fan to have known about any of this stuff.  You just had to be alive and not have your head in the sand somewhere.


One also does not have to be esp smart to put two and two together so as to get four.  Anyone who has ever worked anywhere knows about micromanagement.  Anyone with a half a brain can figure out that something has gone wrong with the Yankees and anyone with even 1/4 of a brain knows that persons who are paid 4 mil a year to manage a team (or anything else for that matter) are going to be held responsible if the team (or whatever they are managing) does poorly.


I hate to break it to some of you guys but none of this stuff is esp hard to figure out.  It is almost all common sense.  It is not even complicated.  Baseball is not all that different from any other business and that is exactly what it is - a business.  When people are paid to do a job and they don't come through they get fired.  It is called a reality of life. The Yankees don't play in the WS for eight years while Girardi is managing them and you think it takes a rocket scientist to figure out he is not doing his job and he is going to get fired?  This  is something hard to figure out?


Altuve?  Yup, absolutely I love the guy.  He is hot stuff and he is a great athlete.  Just because one is a Yankee fan, it does not mean you can't admire the athletic ability of a player on some other team.  This guy is great and I love watching him play.  I am a big figure skating fan.  Of course, I hope the US gets the gold medal in skating but they do not always do so.  When another country produces a top notch skater who is a joy to watch, do I admire that skater?  Absolutely I do.  So if admiring Altuve makes me  troll, well then I guess I am a troll.  If figuring out something which anyone with a 1Q of 90 could figure out (because it is that obvious) makes me a troll, well, I guess I must be a troll.  So, then, Mo and Newin, if you want to think of me as a troll, well have it your way - no problem.  I am happy to be called a troll by the two of you. 

2 weeks ago  ::  Nov 10, 2017 - 6:52PM #27
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 67,642

2 weeks ago  ::  Nov 10, 2017 - 7:07PM #28
Bats
Posts: 7,281

Nov 10, 2017 -- 2:45PM, Cocopugg wrote:


Nov 10, 2017 -- 1:15PM, dixieyank wrote:


Are you trying to compete with Jinah and Starwarskid for drama posts?





No, or the headline for this thread would've read: "Yankees hire Raymond as their new manager!"




Cocopuffs, when you write "Cashman needs to fall on his knees, and beg Girardi to come back, admitting he made a big mistake!" that qualifies you as a DRAMA QUEEN.


Yankees hiring Raymond would be FAKE NEWS.

2 weeks ago  ::  Nov 10, 2017 - 7:26PM #29
Bats
Posts: 7,281

Nov 10, 2017 -- 4:47PM, Cocopugg wrote:


Nov 10, 2017 -- 4:05PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Getting to within one game of the World Series is not underperforming.




Mo, I agree with you...all kidding aside, I ragged on Girardi whenever I felt he blew a game, but after the post-season ended, as close as the Yankees got with Girardi as their skipper, I have to say that firing him at this point, is about the dumbest Yankee management decision I can ever remember anyone making. Even George would never fire a manager who got a young team as close to the WS as Girardi got them in 2017. They were primed to take it all the way next season. Now it will feel like they will have to start all over again for someone new. Unless we get someone who performs a first yr miracle, the way Joe Torre did in 1996, which is highly unlikely!




OK....Cocopuffs, now you're imagination went too far out to the delusional zone.


Are you F'in CRAZY? George would never fire a manager who got a young team as close to the WS as Girardi got them in 2017? 


OF COURSE HE WOULD!!!  


For one thing, GEORGE WOULD NEVER HAVE HAD A YOUNG TEAM. NEVER...EVER!!!


NEVER!!!


That's hilarious that you would even think that!!!


George LOVED Superstars. No way would he even put himself in a situation where the Yankees would field a young unproven team. NO WAY.


George was even annoyed at BOB WATSON, back in 1997, when he couldn't pull the trigger to acquire Curt Schilling for Rickey Ledee. 

2 weeks ago  ::  Nov 10, 2017 - 7:32PM #30
nystripes2
Posts: 6,142

The guy who has rebuilt this team to a legit contender in a span of 2 years has to crawl on his knees to beg a manager to come back? 


Trust Cashman, he knows what he's doing.

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