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Sonny Gray = bottom feeder
3 months ago  ::  Apr 12, 2018 - 9:59PM #1
JonahFalcon
Posts: 23,482
2017:

Vs. teams under .500: 8-6, 2.67 ERA
Vs. teams .500 and over: 2-6, 5.12 ERA
3 months ago  ::  Apr 12, 2018 - 10:07PM #2
Lola
Posts: 20,749
Maybe we can trade him for Miller.
3 months ago  ::  Apr 12, 2018 - 10:12PM #3
luvdayanks
Posts: 23,749

Apr 12, 2018 -- 10:07PM, Lola wrote:

Maybe we can trade him for Miller.




Is that the same Miller  that Cleveland  didn't  want  but wanted Betances instead? That Miller ?

3 months ago  ::  Apr 12, 2018 - 10:13PM #4
mfc67
Posts: 14
Gray is awful, cc hurt, Montgomery is a question. Harper and machado? No cash, Sign a couple front line starters who can give you morevthan 4-5 innings.
3 months ago  ::  Apr 12, 2018 - 10:37PM #5
El Guapo
Posts: 879

Apr 12, 2018 -- 10:12PM, luvdayanks wrote:


Apr 12, 2018 -- 10:07PM, Lola wrote:

Maybe we can trade him for Miller.




Is that the same Miller  that Cleveland  didn't  want  but wanted Betances instead? That Miller ?




You got me laughing out loud at that one, Luv!  Laughing

3 months ago  ::  Apr 12, 2018 - 10:54PM #6
Lola
Posts: 20,749

Apr 12, 2018 -- 10:12PM, luvdayanks wrote:


Apr 12, 2018 -- 10:07PM, Lola wrote:

Maybe we can trade him for Miller.




Is that the same Miller  that Cleveland  didn't  want  but wanted Betances instead? That Miller ?




That's the Miller!

3 months ago  ::  Apr 12, 2018 - 11:13PM #7
jimwest
Posts: 602

Apr 12, 2018 -- 9:59PM, JonahFalcon wrote:

2017:

Vs. teams under .500: 8-6, 2.67 ERA
Vs. teams .500 and over: 2-6, 5.12 ERA




Didn't have a high opinion of him before the trade, felt he was a #3 at best. Now after seeing him last year and so far in 2018, still feel that way, maybe even consider downgrading him overall to a #4. Too much of a nibbler, does not attack batters, gets into too many high counts, yielding high pitch counts, taxing the bullpen.




3 months ago  ::  Apr 12, 2018 - 11:29PM #8
yikes
Posts: 2,687

not in favor of a pitch clock but for gray i would make an exception


its a pee break between every pitch

3 months ago  ::  Apr 13, 2018 - 12:39AM #9
14moose14
Posts: 356
Gray just doesn't have the goods. Even when he pitches well he only lasts four or five innings. Has he ever gone six for us?

As other posters have posted here and in other threads, this team needs starting pitching. Two solid, dependable starters. They don't have to be superstars, but they can't be guys from the dumpster like Jaime Garcia. We've got a strong farm system stocked with a lot of talent. Cash should put it to good use to acquire at least one starter, preferably two.
3 months ago  ::  Apr 13, 2018 - 1:33AM #10
mikedorb
Posts: 966

C


Apr 12, 2018 -- 11:13PM, jimwest wrote:


Apr 12, 2018 -- 9:59PM, JonahFalcon wrote:

2017:

Vs. teams under .500: 8-6, 2.67 ERA
Vs. teams .500 and over: 2-6, 5.12 ERA




Didn't have a high opinion of him before the trade, felt he was a #3 at best. Now after seeing him last year and so far in 2018, still feel that way, maybe even consider downgrading him overall to a #4. Too much of a nibbler, does not attack batters, gets into too many high counts, yielding high pitch counts, taxing the bullpen.




I wasn't crazy about Gray either but he was even been worse than I expected. Definitely not worth 3 top prospects even though 2 of them were injured. I wouldn't have even given up 1 top prospect for him. He never shows any dominance.Even Pineda would occasionally tease us with a dominant performance which made him even more frustrating because that showed the talent was there. But Gray is completely different. A good performance for Gray is 5 to 6 innings and 2 or 3 runs. A bad performance was what we got last night. And the stats back it up. He doesn't pitch well against good teams. And the only reason he was even as good in Oakland as he was is it is a extreme pitcher friendly ballpark with all of the foul territory and the fact the ball doesn't carry at all at night. He has really been exposed pitching in the AL East. Nibbling the way he does is a recipe for failure pitching in the Al East.


And I don't want to hear that they don't ever score for him. It is true but most of these games he doesn't pitch well enough to deserve a win. Like last night. And playing behind him in the field has to be almost impossible especially on a cold and rainy night like it was last night in Boston.  


 You know where Cashman has always failed us? Trading for starting pitching. Most of them have been lemons like Vasquez and Pineda. And Gray seems to be another lemon. He has had some successes with free agent pitchers like Mussina, CC and Tanaka but has he ever had real success trading for a starting pitcher? The ones who had some success it was only short term like the Brandon McCarthys and Aaron Smalls of the world.


 And changing the subject completely isn't it time to send Tyler Wade back to the minors? I know the sample size is small but now this is two years in a row Wade has gotten a look and he has shown zero hitting ability. He looks like he might be Brandon Ryan and Pete Kozma bad and that is bad. I think the hardest jump for a player to make is from Triple A to the majors and the list is long for players who never figured it out. Maybe in time Wade can figure it out but the longer time that passes that he can't the odds keep on increasing it will never happen.     






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