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1 year ago  ::  Jun 09, 2018 - 12:19PM #31
mscamaguey
Posts: 591

I have voiced my opinion many times about this Interleague play. I remember some years ago Wang our pitcher got hurt while trying to score a run from third base. He was young and AWESOME, he was never the same again. I was so upset about that, now it is Tanaka, that by the way other that the first inning homer he allowed he was flawless. We don´t know if he will be able to take the mound in 5 days and Boston is already already lurking.


I also detest the World League, it is played while the US players have just begun spring training. Those that played in the Caribbean League are ready since they play during the winter. I don´t know much about Japan, but they always look that they play the entire year. We had a Yankee player thatr was injured during the World League I cannot remember who he was but he was not ready when the season started.


I have no idea who was the idiot that decided we needed interleague games and the DH only applies when the game is played on AL turf. 


1 year ago  ::  Jun 09, 2018 - 12:25PM #32
louisiana_lightning
Posts: 15,639

Jun 9, 2018 -- 11:48AM, socialgold wrote:


Jun 9, 2018 -- 11:26AM, mikedorb wrote:



Jun 9, 2018 -- 11:19AM, socialgold wrote:

Evan Roberts argues that the pitcher should be able to hit because more offense isn't good for baseball.



Roberts is a good guy and I like him but think he is way off base about this. Maybe he feels the way he does because he roots for a team that can't score runs. 




He criticized lower leagues for having the DH because it doesn't give pitchers the opportunity to learn how to hit.My question is how does a player whose main talent is pitching learn how to do something that they don't have the talent to do? Does Evan Roberts assume that every pitcher has the potential to be like Ohtani if they are required to hit before joining the majors? 


I don't believe that he should excuse pitchers from having to pitch to a DH by arguing that it is harder for them to do so than pitching to a pitcher,but at the same time argue for pitchers to do something that is even much more difficult for them to do.




I completely disagree with Evan on this.  Many pitchers could be great hitters because they were whne they were position players, often shortstops but they don't bat enough to be good hitters and removing the DH won't change that.  This year the average OPS in the majors is .724.  There have only been 9 pitchers in the history of baseball to exceed that and they all pitched between 1880-1940.  He is kidding himself if he thinks that the most important person on the field is going to spend enough time perfecting something he won't do enough to excel at to be more than the worst hitter in the lineup everyday.


If you want to see professional hitting you should embrace the DH.  If you want to see grown men make fools of themselves, poorly attempt to bunt, and run the bases with a jacket on then embrace pitchers hitting.

1 year ago  ::  Jun 09, 2018 - 12:30PM #33
louisiana_lightning
Posts: 15,639

Jun 9, 2018 -- 12:19PM, mscamaguey wrote:


I have voiced my opinion many times about this Interleague play. I remember some years ago Wang our pitcher got hurt while trying to score a run from third base. He was young and AWESOME, he was never the same again. I was so upset about that, now it is Tanaka, that by the way other that the first inning homer he allowed he was flawless. We don´t know if he will be able to take the mound in 5 days and Boston is already already lurking.


I also detest the World League, it is played while the US players have just begun spring training. Those that played in the Caribbean League are ready since they play during the winter. I don´t know much about Japan, but they always look that they play the entire year. We had a Yankee player thatr was injured during the World League I cannot remember who he was but he was not ready when the season started.


I have no idea who was the idiot that decided we needed interleague games and the DH only applies when the game is played on AL turf. 





Interleague was necessary to have two odd number leagues.  Prior to interleague the AL had 14 teams and the NL 16.  It also gives a chance for regional rivalries and for teams to compete that would never otherwise meet.

1 year ago  ::  Jun 09, 2018 - 12:31PM #34
qwik3457
Posts: 11,777

Jun 9, 2018 -- 11:24AM, Marvin wrote:


Jun 9, 2018 -- 11:11AM, Cocopugg wrote:


I guess I'm the only one who thinks Nevin made the right move by sending Tanaka. These are major league players. They are paid to perform in game situations. The Yankees were losing 1-0 in the 6th inning, against arguably the NL's best pitcher. They had a chance to tie the game. I know it's a bad thing that Tanaka got hurt on the play, but who knows if the Yankees don't score there, the way deGrom was pitching, if the game doesn't finish as a 1-0 Yankees loss. I'm sorry, but these are the major leagues, and if major league pitchers haven't trained to "sprint" 90 feet, then regardless of how well they can pitch, maybe they shouldn't come to the majors until they've mastered the art of running the bases. I'll say this much, I remember pitchers like Ron Guidry and Mariano Rivera doing sprints in the outfield all the time, and either of them would've scored that run easily, without any injuries. That we can take to the bank!




He made the correct call. Tanaka didn't even have to slide. It wasn't a close play.


If he had injured himself running over to back up a base or to cover first, would people complain that pitchers shouldn't risk doing that?




Not remotely the same thing. AL pitchers do, and practice, those things all the time. They don't hit, and they don't run, and nobody spends much time trying to improve their skills in those areas. 


Tanaka was setting up to slide there, but he hurt BOTH hamstrings coming home on that play, so he didn't slide and risk blowing out the hamstrings. That risk wasn't necessary. It was foolish.

Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber
1 year ago  ::  Jun 09, 2018 - 12:32PM #35
qwik3457
Posts: 11,777

Jun 9, 2018 -- 11:27AM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Jun 9, 2018 -- 11:24AM, Marvin wrote:


Jun 9, 2018 -- 11:11AM, Cocopugg wrote:


I guess I'm the only one who thinks Nevin made the right move by sending Tanaka. These are major league players. They are paid to perform in game situations. The Yankees were losing 1-0 in the 6th inning, against arguably the NL's best pitcher. They had a chance to tie the game. I know it's a bad thing that Tanaka got hurt on the play, but who knows if the Yankees don't score there, the way deGrom was pitching, if the game doesn't finish as a 1-0 Yankees loss. I'm sorry, but these are the major leagues, and if major league pitchers haven't trained to "sprint" 90 feet, then regardless of how well they can pitch, maybe they shouldn't come to the majors until they've mastered the art of running the bases. I'll say this much, I remember pitchers like Ron Guidry and Mariano Rivera doing sprints in the outfield all the time, and either of them would've scored that run easily, without any injuries. That we can take to the bank!




He made the correct call. Tanaka didn't even have to slide. It wasn't a close play.


If he had injured himself running over to back up a base or to cover first, would people complain that pitchers shouldn't risk doing that?




I don’t see the second guessing.  Pitchers have to run more than position player for leg strength and stamina.  Athletes get injured, nobody did anything wrong.




They run for stamina and endurance, but they don't often sprint from a dead stop. There was no reason to risk Tanaka for that one run. Not worth it.

Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber
1 year ago  ::  Jun 09, 2018 - 12:42PM #36
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 75,176

Jun 9, 2018 -- 12:31PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Jun 9, 2018 -- 11:24AM, Marvin wrote:


Jun 9, 2018 -- 11:11AM, Cocopugg wrote:


I guess I'm the only one who thinks Nevin made the right move by sending Tanaka. These are major league players. They are paid to perform in game situations. The Yankees were losing 1-0 in the 6th inning, against arguably the NL's best pitcher. They had a chance to tie the game. I know it's a bad thing that Tanaka got hurt on the play, but who knows if the Yankees don't score there, the way deGrom was pitching, if the game doesn't finish as a 1-0 Yankees loss. I'm sorry, but these are the major leagues, and if major league pitchers haven't trained to "sprint" 90 feet, then regardless of how well they can pitch, maybe they shouldn't come to the majors until they've mastered the art of running the bases. I'll say this much, I remember pitchers like Ron Guidry and Mariano Rivera doing sprints in the outfield all the time, and either of them would've scored that run easily, without any injuries. That we can take to the bank!




He made the correct call. Tanaka didn't even have to slide. It wasn't a close play.


If he had injured himself running over to back up a base or to cover first, would people complain that pitchers shouldn't risk doing that?




Not remotely the same thing. AL pitchers do, and practice, those things all the time. They don't hit, and they don't run, and nobody spends much time trying to improve their skills in those areas. 


Tanaka was setting up to slide there, but he hurt BOTH hamstrings coming home on that play, so he didn't slide and risk blowing out the hamstrings. That risk wasn't necessary. It was foolish.




Tanaka said in the post-game that he had no intention of sliding.

1 year ago  ::  Jun 09, 2018 - 12:49PM #37
yikes
Posts: 3,117

Jun 9, 2018 -- 11:26AM, mikedorb wrote:



Jun 9, 2018 -- 11:19AM, socialgold wrote:

Evan Roberts argues that the pitcher should be able to hit because more offense isn't good for baseball.



Roberts is a good guy and I like him but think he is way off base about this. Maybe he feels the way he does because he roots for a team that can't score runs. 




i disagree that hes a good guy, hes a whinny little biatch


out of all the fan guys, i like him the least


his partner begnino i like, he should be a solo act and rid himself of roberts

1 year ago  ::  Jun 09, 2018 - 12:57PM #38
Cocopugg
Posts: 6,396

Jun 9, 2018 -- 12:19PM, mscamaguey wrote:


We had a Yankee player thatr was injured during the World League I cannot remember who he was but he was not ready when the season started.




Didi...last year.

1 year ago  ::  Jun 09, 2018 - 1:03PM #39
louisiana_lightning
Posts: 15,639

Jun 9, 2018 -- 12:57PM, Cocopugg wrote:


Jun 9, 2018 -- 12:19PM, mscamaguey wrote:


We had a Yankee player thatr was injured during the World League I cannot remember who he was but he was not ready when the season started.




Didi...last year.




The Olympics threw out baseball because the MLB wouldn't suspend it's season and send it's pros.  The WBC was the MLB response.  I definitely prefer it to sending pros to the Olympics and the matchups are fun.

1 year ago  ::  Jun 09, 2018 - 1:31PM #40
luvdayanks
Posts: 26,157

Jun 8, 2018 -- 11:51PM, NW wrote:


How about letting them play baseball and getting rid of this DH bullspit.




 How about  they follow the rest of the baseball  world and put in the DH? They're the only league that doesno have it. Maybe you enjoy watching automatic outs by pitchers, and pitchers getting hurt, but you're  among the few that  do.


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