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10 months ago  ::  Jul 11, 2018 - 6:53AM #41
yankoldfan
Posts: 6,359

Jul 10, 2018 -- 11:30PM, jimwest wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 11:19PM, Cocopugg wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 11:15PM, jimwest wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 11:07PM, Cocopugg wrote:


If the Blosox go on to win the division, JD Martinez will be the reason why. Yes, anytime a team gets a championship banner courtesy of a free agent signing, the deal was a steal.



The guy is a beast this year, but he also has had a very good track record career-wise. If his 2019 is anything like this season, he will likely opt out of his deal.


He didn't sign until February 26th; I was somewhat surprised the Yankees never seemed to show any interest in him. Much cheaper, and a shorter deal than Stanton.




The reason they didn't show interest in JD was because Cashman felt the Stanton deal made more sense, since it cleared the way for bringing Torres to the Bronx, as Castro went to Miami for Stanton. Once that deal was made, and the Yankees picked up Stanton's huge contract...no way they would've even contemplated getting JD for the kind of money he was asking.




I was aware of those reasons for the Stanton deal. But Torres natural position is shortstop, not second, and they could easily have moved Castro in another trade. Didi may end up being moved this offseason if his $ demands are too high, especially given how good Torres has been.


Was not a fan of getting Stanton somewhat due to the dollars, but mainly due to the length of his contract. It is because of contracts like his, and Ellsbury's, that the Yankees are somewhat limited in absorbing money now, to stay under the $197m threshold CBT.




I know it was great to get the MVP of the NL from the previous year, but I don't like this trade, he's not a good hitter, he's a homerun hitter but he has too many bad at bats for me.. Last night he looked completely lost, swinging at pitches he couldn't even reach.. To me he's a guess hitter and if he doesn't guess right, he strikes out..


Call the Angels Ca$hman, I have a trade idea, and I'm betting the Angels would turn it down, trade both Stanton and Judge for Trout and pay a third of Stantons contract.. How many on this board would do that deal ???

10 months ago  ::  Jul 11, 2018 - 7:36AM #42
louisiana_lightning
Posts: 14,730

Jul 11, 2018 -- 6:53AM, yankoldfan wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 11:30PM, jimwest wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 11:19PM, Cocopugg wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 11:15PM, jimwest wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 11:07PM, Cocopugg wrote:


If the Blosox go on to win the division, JD Martinez will be the reason why. Yes, anytime a team gets a championship banner courtesy of a free agent signing, the deal was a steal.



The guy is a beast this year, but he also has had a very good track record career-wise. If his 2019 is anything like this season, he will likely opt out of his deal.


He didn't sign until February 26th; I was somewhat surprised the Yankees never seemed to show any interest in him. Much cheaper, and a shorter deal than Stanton.




The reason they didn't show interest in JD was because Cashman felt the Stanton deal made more sense, since it cleared the way for bringing Torres to the Bronx, as Castro went to Miami for Stanton. Once that deal was made, and the Yankees picked up Stanton's huge contract...no way they would've even contemplated getting JD for the kind of money he was asking.




I was aware of those reasons for the Stanton deal. But Torres natural position is shortstop, not second, and they could easily have moved Castro in another trade. Didi may end up being moved this offseason if his $ demands are too high, especially given how good Torres has been.


Was not a fan of getting Stanton somewhat due to the dollars, but mainly due to the length of his contract. It is because of contracts like his, and Ellsbury's, that the Yankees are somewhat limited in absorbing money now, to stay under the $197m threshold CBT.




I know it was great to get the MVP of the NL from the previous year, but I don't like this trade, he's not a good hitter, he's a homerun hitter but he has too many bad at bats for me.. Last night he looked completely lost, swinging at pitches he couldn't even reach.. To me he's a guess hitter and if he doesn't guess right, he strikes out..


Call the Angels Ca$hman, I have a trade idea, and I'm betting the Angels would turn it down, trade both Stanton and Judge for Trout and pay a third of Stantons contract.. How many on this board would do that deal ???




No I would not do that.  Maybe if the Angels throw iN Barria or Heaney.

10 months ago  ::  Jul 11, 2018 - 7:45AM #43
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 74,650

Jul 10, 2018 -- 10:43PM, jimwest wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 10:18PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 9:48PM, jimwest wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 6:25PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:

Instead of Belt I wonder if we could get Posey for C/1B. This doesn’t mean I am giving up on Sanchez, he would be C/DH and Stanton would get more time in the field



LL, why would the Yankees want an oft-injured 31 year old who is getting paid $22m per year, (with a $3m buyout for 2022) through 2021?


Those are the types of bad deals they used to make. Hopefully they have learned their lesson as far as giving out or taking on bad contracts.




To me Posey is a generational player and I would take 3-4 years of him at around $20 million over Harper or Machado  at twice that for 10 years




Posey's numbers are noticeably down this year, he is on the down slope of his career. It would be bad business to want a guy like him with that albatross contract. I don't want Machado either.


However, the Yankees need more LH power, so Harper, if a reasonable $ and years deal, I would consider. Not 10 years, and not $30m per year. He isn't that good to warrant that imo. 




I heard Harper is looking for 10 years at $40 per year.

10 months ago  ::  Jul 11, 2018 - 7:59AM #44
Lola
Posts: 22,170

Jul 11, 2018 -- 7:45AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 10:43PM, jimwest wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 10:18PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 9:48PM, jimwest wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 6:25PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:

Instead of Belt I wonder if we could get Posey for C/1B. This doesn’t mean I am giving up on Sanchez, he would be C/DH and Stanton would get more time in the field



LL, why would the Yankees want an oft-injured 31 year old who is getting paid $22m per year, (with a $3m buyout for 2022) through 2021?


Those are the types of bad deals they used to make. Hopefully they have learned their lesson as far as giving out or taking on bad contracts.




To me Posey is a generational player and I would take 3-4 years of him at around $20 million over Harper or Machado  at twice that for 10 years




Posey's numbers are noticeably down this year, he is on the down slope of his career. It would be bad business to want a guy like him with that albatross contract. I don't want Machado either.


However, the Yankees need more LH power, so Harper, if a reasonable $ and years deal, I would consider. Not 10 years, and not $30m per year. He isn't that good to warrant that imo. 




I heard Harper is looking for 10 years at $40 per year.




Lol... he didn't look like a 40m a year player to me.

10 months ago  ::  Jul 11, 2018 - 8:01AM #45
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 74,650

Jul 11, 2018 -- 7:59AM, Lola wrote:


Jul 11, 2018 -- 7:45AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 10:43PM, jimwest wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 10:18PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 9:48PM, jimwest wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 6:25PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:

Instead of Belt I wonder if we could get Posey for C/1B. This doesn’t mean I am giving up on Sanchez, he would be C/DH and Stanton would get more time in the field



LL, why would the Yankees want an oft-injured 31 year old who is getting paid $22m per year, (with a $3m buyout for 2022) through 2021?


Those are the types of bad deals they used to make. Hopefully they have learned their lesson as far as giving out or taking on bad contracts.




To me Posey is a generational player and I would take 3-4 years of him at around $20 million over Harper or Machado  at twice that for 10 years




Posey's numbers are noticeably down this year, he is on the down slope of his career. It would be bad business to want a guy like him with that albatross contract. I don't want Machado either.


However, the Yankees need more LH power, so Harper, if a reasonable $ and years deal, I would consider. Not 10 years, and not $30m per year. He isn't that good to warrant that imo. 




I heard Harper is looking for 10 years at $40 per year.




Lol... he didn't look like a 40m a year player to me.




He's crazy throwing that number around ... is his agent Boras?

10 months ago  ::  Jul 11, 2018 - 8:04AM #46
louisiana_lightning
Posts: 14,730

Jul 11, 2018 -- 8:01AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Jul 11, 2018 -- 7:59AM, Lola wrote:


Jul 11, 2018 -- 7:45AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 10:43PM, jimwest wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 10:18PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 9:48PM, jimwest wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 6:25PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:

Instead of Belt I wonder if we could get Posey for C/1B. This doesn’t mean I am giving up on Sanchez, he would be C/DH and Stanton would get more time in the field



LL, why would the Yankees want an oft-injured 31 year old who is getting paid $22m per year, (with a $3m buyout for 2022) through 2021?


Those are the types of bad deals they used to make. Hopefully they have learned their lesson as far as giving out or taking on bad contracts.




To me Posey is a generational player and I would take 3-4 years of him at around $20 million over Harper or Machado  at twice that for 10 years




Posey's numbers are noticeably down this year, he is on the down slope of his career. It would be bad business to want a guy like him with that albatross contract. I don't want Machado either.


However, the Yankees need more LH power, so Harper, if a reasonable $ and years deal, I would consider. Not 10 years, and not $30m per year. He isn't that good to warrant that imo. 




I heard Harper is looking for 10 years at $40 per year.




Lol... he didn't look like a 40m a year player to me.




He's crazy throwing that number around ... is his agent Boras?




Yes, Harper is a Boras client

10 months ago  ::  Jul 11, 2018 - 8:04AM #47
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 74,650

Jul 11, 2018 -- 8:04AM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Jul 11, 2018 -- 8:01AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Jul 11, 2018 -- 7:59AM, Lola wrote:


Jul 11, 2018 -- 7:45AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 10:43PM, jimwest wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 10:18PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 9:48PM, jimwest wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 6:25PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:

Instead of Belt I wonder if we could get Posey for C/1B. This doesn’t mean I am giving up on Sanchez, he would be C/DH and Stanton would get more time in the field



LL, why would the Yankees want an oft-injured 31 year old who is getting paid $22m per year, (with a $3m buyout for 2022) through 2021?


Those are the types of bad deals they used to make. Hopefully they have learned their lesson as far as giving out or taking on bad contracts.




To me Posey is a generational player and I would take 3-4 years of him at around $20 million over Harper or Machado  at twice that for 10 years




Posey's numbers are noticeably down this year, he is on the down slope of his career. It would be bad business to want a guy like him with that albatross contract. I don't want Machado either.


However, the Yankees need more LH power, so Harper, if a reasonable $ and years deal, I would consider. Not 10 years, and not $30m per year. He isn't that good to warrant that imo. 




I heard Harper is looking for 10 years at $40 per year.




Lol... he didn't look like a 40m a year player to me.




He's crazy throwing that number around ... is his agent Boras?




Yes, Harper is a Boras client




That's where that crazy number came from.

10 months ago  ::  Jul 11, 2018 - 8:13AM #48
louisiana_lightning
Posts: 14,730

Jul 11, 2018 -- 8:04AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Jul 11, 2018 -- 8:04AM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Jul 11, 2018 -- 8:01AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Jul 11, 2018 -- 7:59AM, Lola wrote:


Jul 11, 2018 -- 7:45AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 10:43PM, jimwest wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 10:18PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 9:48PM, jimwest wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 6:25PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:

Instead of Belt I wonder if we could get Posey for C/1B. This doesn’t mean I am giving up on Sanchez, he would be C/DH and Stanton would get more time in the field



LL, why would the Yankees want an oft-injured 31 year old who is getting paid $22m per year, (with a $3m buyout for 2022) through 2021?


Those are the types of bad deals they used to make. Hopefully they have learned their lesson as far as giving out or taking on bad contracts.




To me Posey is a generational player and I would take 3-4 years of him at around $20 million over Harper or Machado  at twice that for 10 years




Posey's numbers are noticeably down this year, he is on the down slope of his career. It would be bad business to want a guy like him with that albatross contract. I don't want Machado either.


However, the Yankees need more LH power, so Harper, if a reasonable $ and years deal, I would consider. Not 10 years, and not $30m per year. He isn't that good to warrant that imo. 




I heard Harper is looking for 10 years at $40 per year.




Lol... he didn't look like a 40m a year player to me.




He's crazy throwing that number around ... is his agent Boras?




Yes, Harper is a Boras client




That's where that crazy number came from.




Get ready, Scott will be crying collusion and will be calling for Congress to step in if Bryce isn’t offered $40 million AAV by all 30 teams on at least December 1st.

10 months ago  ::  Jul 11, 2018 - 8:16AM #49
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 74,650

Jul 11, 2018 -- 8:13AM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Jul 11, 2018 -- 8:04AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Jul 11, 2018 -- 8:04AM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Jul 11, 2018 -- 8:01AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Jul 11, 2018 -- 7:59AM, Lola wrote:


Jul 11, 2018 -- 7:45AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 10:43PM, jimwest wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 10:18PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 9:48PM, jimwest wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 6:25PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:

Instead of Belt I wonder if we could get Posey for C/1B. This doesn’t mean I am giving up on Sanchez, he would be C/DH and Stanton would get more time in the field



LL, why would the Yankees want an oft-injured 31 year old who is getting paid $22m per year, (with a $3m buyout for 2022) through 2021?


Those are the types of bad deals they used to make. Hopefully they have learned their lesson as far as giving out or taking on bad contracts.




To me Posey is a generational player and I would take 3-4 years of him at around $20 million over Harper or Machado  at twice that for 10 years




Posey's numbers are noticeably down this year, he is on the down slope of his career. It would be bad business to want a guy like him with that albatross contract. I don't want Machado either.


However, the Yankees need more LH power, so Harper, if a reasonable $ and years deal, I would consider. Not 10 years, and not $30m per year. He isn't that good to warrant that imo. 




I heard Harper is looking for 10 years at $40 per year.




Lol... he didn't look like a 40m a year player to me.




He's crazy throwing that number around ... is his agent Boras?




Yes, Harper is a Boras client




That's where that crazy number came from.




Get ready, Scott will be crying collusion and will be calling for Congress to step in if Bryce isn’t offered $40 million AAV by all 30 teams on at least December 1st.




10 months ago  ::  Jul 11, 2018 - 9:23AM #50
bumper
Posts: 5,002

once again pitching is our priority. if there's a way to pry either mad bum or degrom away from their teams, we do it. looking at the red sox chris sale trade, it should be doable w prospects not established mlb players which torres & andujar are.


as far as harper goes, i use jd martinez who i think is a better overall player as a benchmark . yeah there's a 5 yr difference in age which i guess justifies a 10 yr contract but i'd go no more than 5 yrs compensating for yrs with a little more money maybe going as high as $125-130mil/5 yr. if he wants to be a yankee, prove it. also he has to be willing to play 1st base if necessary, since our outfield is fixed.

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