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11 months ago  ::  Jul 10, 2018 - 10:53PM #31
Cocopugg
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Jul 10, 2018 -- 10:43PM, jimwest wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 10:18PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 9:48PM, jimwest wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 6:25PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:

Instead of Belt I wonder if we could get Posey for C/1B. This doesn’t mean I am giving up on Sanchez, he would be C/DH and Stanton would get more time in the field



LL, why would the Yankees want an oft-injured 31 year old who is getting paid $22m per year, (with a $3m buyout for 2022) through 2021?


Those are the types of bad deals they used to make. Hopefully they have learned their lesson as far as giving out or taking on bad contracts.




To me Posey is a generational player and I would take 3-4 years of him at around $20 million over Harper or Machado  at twice that for 10 years




Posey's numbers are noticeably down this year, he is on the down slope of his career. It would be bad business to want a guy like him with that albatross contract. I don't want Machado either.


However, the Yankees need more LH power, so Harper, if a reasonable $ and years deal, I would consider. Not 10 years, and not $30m per year. He isn't that good to warrant that imo. 




None of those guys are what the Yankees need...what they need are 2 more Severino-type aces. Good luck finding them, and not having to trade half the team for them. Outside of that, the Yankees are just the same Bronx Bombers they were in the 80s...we can hit the longest bombs in the league, but nothing else...oh yeah and we also have Severino...unfortunately, while that may fill the seats, it won't bring the fans another championship banner.

11 months ago  ::  Jul 10, 2018 - 10:55PM #32
bumper
Posts: 5,271

Jul 10, 2018 -- 10:43PM, jimwest wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 10:18PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 9:48PM, jimwest wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 6:25PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:

Instead of Belt I wonder if we could get Posey for C/1B. This doesn’t mean I am giving up on Sanchez, he would be C/DH and Stanton would get more time in the field



LL, why would the Yankees want an oft-injured 31 year old who is getting paid $22m per year, (with a $3m buyout for 2022) through 2021?


Those are the types of bad deals they used to make. Hopefully they have learned their lesson as far as giving out or taking on bad contracts.




To me Posey is a generational player and I would take 3-4 years of him at around $20 million over Harper or Machado  at twice that for 10 years




Posey's numbers are noticeably down this year, he is on the down slope of his career. It would be bad business to want a guy like him with that albatross contract. I don't want Machado either.


However, the Yankees need more LH power, so Harper, if a reasonable $ and years deal, I would consider. Not 10 years, and not $30m per year. He isn't that good to warrant that imo. 




pitching pitching pitching ... spend our money on pitching first. the more i hear about belt, the more i like him. i'd take him over harper. the only way i'd consider harper is if we could get him for a jd martinez type deal (5/110) and that's being generous because jd is better.

11 months ago  ::  Jul 10, 2018 - 11:03PM #33
jimwest
Posts: 1,451

Jul 10, 2018 -- 10:55PM, bumper wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 10:43PM, jimwest wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 10:18PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 9:48PM, jimwest wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 6:25PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:

Instead of Belt I wonder if we could get Posey for C/1B. This doesn’t mean I am giving up on Sanchez, he would be C/DH and Stanton would get more time in the field



LL, why would the Yankees want an oft-injured 31 year old who is getting paid $22m per year, (with a $3m buyout for 2022) through 2021?


Those are the types of bad deals they used to make. Hopefully they have learned their lesson as far as giving out or taking on bad contracts.




To me Posey is a generational player and I would take 3-4 years of him at around $20 million over Harper or Machado  at twice that for 10 years




Posey's numbers are noticeably down this year, he is on the down slope of his career. It would be bad business to want a guy like him with that albatross contract. I don't want Machado either.


However, the Yankees need more LH power, so Harper, if a reasonable $ and years deal, I would consider. Not 10 years, and not $30m per year. He isn't that good to warrant that imo. 




pitching pitching pitching ... spend our money on pitching first. the more i hear about belt, the more i like him. i'd take him over harper. the only way i'd consider harper is if we could get him for a jd martinez type deal (5/110) and that's being generous because jd is better.




The Yankees will make a trade and sign a FA or two in the offseason. Not sure what they will pick up this season.


Belt is having what looks to be his career year at age 30. He is signed for $17.2m through 2021. He is an above average player, nothing great. 


For a Harper deal, the 5/110 is more what I had in mind. I honestly don't believe he will get 10 years or $30m+ per from anyone. If some team does, it would be like the Rangers gross overpay for Arod back in 2001.


And JD Martinez is turning out to be a steal for that contract.

11 months ago  ::  Jul 10, 2018 - 11:07PM #34
Cocopugg
Posts: 6,395

Jul 10, 2018 -- 11:03PM, jimwest wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 10:55PM, bumper wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 10:43PM, jimwest wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 10:18PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 9:48PM, jimwest wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 6:25PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:

Instead of Belt I wonder if we could get Posey for C/1B. This doesn’t mean I am giving up on Sanchez, he would be C/DH and Stanton would get more time in the field



LL, why would the Yankees want an oft-injured 31 year old who is getting paid $22m per year, (with a $3m buyout for 2022) through 2021?


Those are the types of bad deals they used to make. Hopefully they have learned their lesson as far as giving out or taking on bad contracts.




To me Posey is a generational player and I would take 3-4 years of him at around $20 million over Harper or Machado  at twice that for 10 years




Posey's numbers are noticeably down this year, he is on the down slope of his career. It would be bad business to want a guy like him with that albatross contract. I don't want Machado either.


However, the Yankees need more LH power, so Harper, if a reasonable $ and years deal, I would consider. Not 10 years, and not $30m per year. He isn't that good to warrant that imo. 




pitching pitching pitching ... spend our money on pitching first. the more i hear about belt, the more i like him. i'd take him over harper. the only way i'd consider harper is if we could get him for a jd martinez type deal (5/110) and that's being generous because jd is better.




The Yankees will make a trade and sign a FA or two in the offseason. Not sure what they will pick up this season.


Belt is having what looks to be his career year at age 30. He is signed for $17.2m through 2021. He is an above average player, nothing great. 


For a Harper deal, the 5/110 is more what I had in mind. I honestly don't believe he will get 10 years or $30m+ per from anyone. If some team does, it would be like the Rangers gross overpay for Arod back in 2001.


And JD Martinez is turning out to be a steal for that contract.




If the Blosox go on to win the division, JD Martinez will be the reason why. Yes, anytime a team gets a championship banner courtesy of a free agent signing, the deal was a steal.

11 months ago  ::  Jul 10, 2018 - 11:15PM #35
jimwest
Posts: 1,451

Jul 10, 2018 -- 11:07PM, Cocopugg wrote:


If the Blosox go on to win the division, JD Martinez will be the reason why. Yes, anytime a team gets a championship banner courtesy of a free agent signing, the deal was a steal.



The guy is a beast this year, but he also has had a very good track record career-wise. If his 2019 is anything like this season, he will likely opt out of his deal.


He didn't sign until February 26th; I was somewhat surprised the Yankees never seemed to show any interest in him. Much cheaper, and a shorter deal than Stanton.

11 months ago  ::  Jul 10, 2018 - 11:19PM #36
Cocopugg
Posts: 6,395

Jul 10, 2018 -- 11:15PM, jimwest wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 11:07PM, Cocopugg wrote:


If the Blosox go on to win the division, JD Martinez will be the reason why. Yes, anytime a team gets a championship banner courtesy of a free agent signing, the deal was a steal.



The guy is a beast this year, but he also has had a very good track record career-wise. If his 2019 is anything like this season, he will likely opt out of his deal.


He didn't sign until February 26th; I was somewhat surprised the Yankees never seemed to show any interest in him. Much cheaper, and a shorter deal than Stanton.




The reason they didn't show interest in JD was because Cashman felt the Stanton deal made more sense, since it cleared the way for bringing Torres to the Bronx, as Castro went to Miami for Stanton. Once that deal was made, and the Yankees picked up Stanton's huge contract...no way they would've even contemplated getting JD for the kind of money he was asking.

11 months ago  ::  Jul 10, 2018 - 11:30PM #37
jimwest
Posts: 1,451

Jul 10, 2018 -- 11:19PM, Cocopugg wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 11:15PM, jimwest wrote:


Jul 10, 2018 -- 11:07PM, Cocopugg wrote:


If the Blosox go on to win the division, JD Martinez will be the reason why. Yes, anytime a team gets a championship banner courtesy of a free agent signing, the deal was a steal.



The guy is a beast this year, but he also has had a very good track record career-wise. If his 2019 is anything like this season, he will likely opt out of his deal.


He didn't sign until February 26th; I was somewhat surprised the Yankees never seemed to show any interest in him. Much cheaper, and a shorter deal than Stanton.




The reason they didn't show interest in JD was because Cashman felt the Stanton deal made more sense, since it cleared the way for bringing Torres to the Bronx, as Castro went to Miami for Stanton. Once that deal was made, and the Yankees picked up Stanton's huge contract...no way they would've even contemplated getting JD for the kind of money he was asking.




I was aware of those reasons for the Stanton deal. But Torres natural position is shortstop, not second, and they could easily have moved Castro in another trade. Didi may end up being moved this offseason if his $ demands are too high, especially given how good Torres has been.


Was not a fan of getting Stanton somewhat due to the dollars, but mainly due to the length of his contract. It is because of contracts like his, and Ellsbury's, that the Yankees are somewhat limited in absorbing money now, to stay under the $197m threshold CBT.

11 months ago  ::  Jul 10, 2018 - 11:46PM #38
thestraw44
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JD Martinez was always a streaky hitter with some power. It seems like he only showed up every other season before the redscrubs and I was reluctant to put him on my fantasy team one year bc of it. Now he’s this world beater mashing homers left and right with a ridiculous avg (PEDs?). It won’t last. Martinez is gonna have a crappy second half of the season while a lot of our low avg guys should be doin the opposite after the all star break. The redsux will come back down to earth by seasons end just in time for us to pull another Bucky Dent on them Surprised

11 months ago  ::  Jul 10, 2018 - 11:57PM #39
jimwest
Posts: 1,451

Jul 10, 2018 -- 11:46PM, thestraw44 wrote:


JD Martinez was always a streaky hitter with some power. It seems like he only showed up every other season before the redscrubs and I was reluctant to put him on my fantasy team one year bc of it. Now he’s this world beater mashing homers left and right with a ridiculous avg (PEDs?). It won’t last. Martinez is gonna have a crappy second half of the season while a lot of our low avg guys should be doin the opposite after the all star break. The redsux will come back down to earth by seasons end just in time for us to pull another Bucky Dent on them 



I sure hope so, straw. I have felt all along the Boston was not really this good, and honestly feel the Yankees overall are the superior team.


We keep waiting for the Red Sox to start coming down to earth, but so far they are not. It has been discouraging seeing them win almost every game in these series vs the bad teams, even on the road. 

11 months ago  ::  Jul 11, 2018 - 6:48AM #40
yankoldfan
Posts: 6,676

Jul 10, 2018 -- 11:46PM, thestraw44 wrote:


JD Martinez was always a streaky hitter with some power. It seems like he only showed up every other season before the redscrubs and I was reluctant to put him on my fantasy team one year bc of it. Now he’s this world beater mashing homers left and right with a ridiculous avg (PEDs?). It won’t last. Martinez is gonna have a crappy second half of the season while a lot of our low avg guys should be doin the opposite after the all star break. The redsux will come back down to earth by seasons end just in time for us to pull another Bucky Dent on them 



If this was a horse race, JD Martinez is one lap ahead of everyone for the MVP of the AL... He's going to have crumble the second half or he's a shoe in...

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