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2 months ago  ::  Sep 12, 2018 - 7:41AM #1
Stewie
Posts: 1,609

When is Boone going to wake up and see that Sonny Gray is not his Justin Verlander.  There will be no renaissance, no second act for Sonny Gray.  He stinks.  He is inconsistent and unpredicable, except that he can be relied on to flop.  He needs to go.  After the game he said "We lost one game.  We're fine. I feel like everyone's in good spirits."


We're fine.


Everyone's in good spirits.


Well, that makes everything all right.  Thanks, Sonny!


He needs to go.  Now.


Bye, Sonny, and take Boone with you.  It's not personal, Sonny...it's strictly business.

2 months ago  ::  Sep 12, 2018 - 8:32AM #2
freytown
Posts: 22

Pretty hard to win when the staff gives up 10R 13H. I didn't understand the pitching approch last night. Can anyone explain that?

2 months ago  ::  Sep 12, 2018 - 8:39AM #3
Stewie
Posts: 1,609

Yeah, Sonny did his usual thing.  1,2,3 in the first inning.  Shaky in the second.  Then the wheels started to come off in the third.

2 months ago  ::  Sep 12, 2018 - 8:39AM #4
Lola
Posts: 21,837
Sonny has a good game once in awhile... only on Thursdays after a Blue moon when Venus aligns with Mars!
2 months ago  ::  Sep 12, 2018 - 9:03AM #5
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 74,059

Sep 12, 2018 -- 8:39AM, Lola wrote:

Sonny has a good game once in awhile... only on Thursdays after a Blue moon when Venus aligns with Mars!



That's about right.

2 months ago  ::  Sep 12, 2018 - 9:06AM #6
cleanuphtr12
Posts: 338

Sep 12, 2018 -- 7:41AM, Stewie wrote:


When is Boone going to wake up and see that Sonny Gray is not his Justin Verlander.  There will be no renaissance, no second act for Sonny Gray.  He stinks.  He is inconsistent and unpredicable, except that he can be relied on to flop.  He needs to go.  After the game he said "We lost one game.  We're fine. I feel like everyone's in good spirits."


We're fine.


Everyone's in good spirits.


Well, that makes everything all right.  Thanks, Sonny!


He needs to go.  Now.


Bye, Sonny, and take Boone with you.  It's not personal, Sonny...it's strictly business.




Gray is out of the rotation and is pitching in mop up duty.  He was used last night for one start to try to give the rest of the rotation an extra day's rest.  He will immediately return to mop up duty.  What part of that equation makes you believe that Boone thinks Sonny Gray is his Justin Verlander....?


Saying that Gray has been garbage this year is pretty accurate.  But he's not a significant part of this team right now and the implication that Boone thinks he is deserves an eye-roll.

2 months ago  ::  Sep 12, 2018 - 9:22AM #7
Stewie
Posts: 1,609

Sep 12, 2018 -- 9:06AM, cleanuphtr12 wrote:


Sep 12, 2018 -- 7:41AM, Stewie wrote:


When is Boone going to wake up and see that Sonny Gray is not his Justin Verlander.  There will be no renaissance, no second act for Sonny Gray.  He stinks.  He is inconsistent and unpredicable, except that he can be relied on to flop.  He needs to go.  After the game he said "We lost one game.  We're fine. I feel like everyone's in good spirits."


We're fine.


Everyone's in good spirits.


Well, that makes everything all right.  Thanks, Sonny!


He needs to go.  Now.


Bye, Sonny, and take Boone with you.  It's not personal, Sonny...it's strictly business.




Gray is out of the rotation and is pitching in mop up duty.  He was used last night for one start to try to give the rest of the rotation an extra day's rest.  He will immediately return to mop up duty.  What part of that equation makes you believe that Boone thinks Sonny Gray is his Justin Verlander....?


Saying that Gray has been garbage this year is pretty accurate.  But he's not a significant part of this team right now and the implication that Boone thinks he is deserves an eye-roll.




I'm not talking about "mop-up duty,"  I'm talking about last night, about Boone once again giving Grey the wheel and expecting anything but a crash-and-burn.  Giving Gray the start last night was not an imperative.  It was Boone trying to get creative and make a "manager's" move that would show vereyone that he's a real manager.  Well, he made his move and it blew up in his face.  When is he going to stop trusting Boone when we're within 10 runs of the other team, up or down?  Because that's the only time he should break the glass and bring Gray in.

2 months ago  ::  Sep 12, 2018 - 10:03AM #8
cleanuphtr12
Posts: 338

Sep 12, 2018 -- 9:22AM, Stewie wrote:


Sep 12, 2018 -- 9:06AM, cleanuphtr12 wrote:


Sep 12, 2018 -- 7:41AM, Stewie wrote:


When is Boone going to wake up and see that Sonny Gray is not his Justin Verlander.  There will be no renaissance, no second act for Sonny Gray.  He stinks.  He is inconsistent and unpredicable, except that he can be relied on to flop.  He needs to go.  After the game he said "We lost one game.  We're fine. I feel like everyone's in good spirits."


We're fine.


Everyone's in good spirits.


Well, that makes everything all right.  Thanks, Sonny!


He needs to go.  Now.


Bye, Sonny, and take Boone with you.  It's not personal, Sonny...it's strictly business.




Gray is out of the rotation and is pitching in mop up duty.  He was used last night for one start to try to give the rest of the rotation an extra day's rest.  He will immediately return to mop up duty.  What part of that equation makes you believe that Boone thinks Sonny Gray is his Justin Verlander....?


Saying that Gray has been garbage this year is pretty accurate.  But he's not a significant part of this team right now and the implication that Boone thinks he is deserves an eye-roll.




I'm not talking about "mop-up duty,"  I'm talking about last night, about Boone once again giving Grey the wheel and expecting anything but a crash-and-burn.  Giving Gray the start last night was not an imperative.  It was Boone trying to get creative and make a "manager's" move that would show vereyone that he's a real manager.  Well, he made his move and it blew up in his face.  When is he going to stop trusting Boone when we're within 10 runs of the other team, up or down?  Because that's the only time he should break the glass and bring Gray in.





Of course you aren't talking about mop-up duty...  because you are choosing not to look at the big picture of what Gray has been for the past month and a half and are choosing to look at last night in isolation while putting more weight on one game against the Twins than it deserves.  There's no other way to explain why you would say Boone acts like Gray is Verlander.  



Looking at the role Boone has used Gray in since the deadline, he absolutely does not think he is Verlander.  He's been a mop up guy.  He's pitched in a few spot starts against crappy teams (for doubleheaders or to try to buy a little rest for other pitchers).  It worked out well against the O's.  Not so much last night.  



And here is the kicker:  Using Gray for one game last night allows Boone to line up Happ-Sev-Masa as his three pitchers for the Boston series next week.  Do we have much chance of catching them?  Of course not.  Do we still want our best pitchers lined up against them to give us a better chance of winning games?  Yes...  



It was a calculated risk meant to manipulate the rotation order moving forward while also getting a few guys extra rest.  It didn't work out for one game but the goal wasn't to win one game (or to "bring in Verlander").  The goal was to set the team up to win more games down the stretch.  You called fans who thought Judge returning would increase our chances at a WS myopic....  Do you own a mirror?

2 months ago  ::  Sep 12, 2018 - 10:28AM #9
bumper
Posts: 4,830

Sep 12, 2018 -- 10:03AM, cleanuphtr12 wrote:


Sep 12, 2018 -- 9:22AM, Stewie wrote:


Sep 12, 2018 -- 9:06AM, cleanuphtr12 wrote:


Sep 12, 2018 -- 7:41AM, Stewie wrote:


When is Boone going to wake up and see that Sonny Gray is not his Justin Verlander.  There will be no renaissance, no second act for Sonny Gray.  He stinks.  He is inconsistent and unpredicable, except that he can be relied on to flop.  He needs to go.  After the game he said "We lost one game.  We're fine. I feel like everyone's in good spirits."


We're fine.


Everyone's in good spirits.


Well, that makes everything all right.  Thanks, Sonny!


He needs to go.  Now.


Bye, Sonny, and take Boone with you.  It's not personal, Sonny...it's strictly business.




Gray is out of the rotation and is pitching in mop up duty.  He was used last night for one start to try to give the rest of the rotation an extra day's rest.  He will immediately return to mop up duty.  What part of that equation makes you believe that Boone thinks Sonny Gray is his Justin Verlander....?


Saying that Gray has been garbage this year is pretty accurate.  But he's not a significant part of this team right now and the implication that Boone thinks he is deserves an eye-roll.




I'm not talking about "mop-up duty,"  I'm talking about last night, about Boone once again giving Grey the wheel and expecting anything but a crash-and-burn.  Giving Gray the start last night was not an imperative.  It was Boone trying to get creative and make a "manager's" move that would show vereyone that he's a real manager.  Well, he made his move and it blew up in his face.  When is he going to stop trusting Boone when we're within 10 runs of the other team, up or down?  Because that's the only time he should break the glass and bring Gray in.





Of course you aren't talking about mop-up duty...  because you are choosing not to look at the big picture of what Gray has been for the past month and a half and are choosing to look at last night in isolation while putting more weight on one game against the Twins than it deserves.  There's no other way to explain why you would say Boone acts like Gray is Verlander.  



Looking at the role Boone has used Gray in since the deadline, he absolutely does not think he is Verlander.  He's been a mop up guy.  He's pitched in a few spot starts against crappy teams (for doubleheaders or to try to buy a little rest for other pitchers).  It worked out well against the O's.  Not so much last night.  



And here is the kicker:  Using Gray for one game last night allows Boone to line up Happ-Sev-Masa as his three pitchers for the Boston series next week.  Do we have much chance of catching them?  Of course not.  Do we still want our best pitchers lined up against them to give us a better chance of winning games?  Yes...  



It was a calculated risk meant to manipulate the rotation order moving forward while also getting a few guys extra rest.  It didn't work out for one game but the goal wasn't to win one game (or to "bring in Verlander").  The goal was to set the team up to win more games down the stretch.  You called fans who thought Judge returning would increase our chances at a WS myopic....  Do you own a mirror?




glad someone gets it. made the same point in the game thread. no one's thinking gray is any kind of solution. it was a stopgap - let's get some pitchers some rest and line them up for the boston series. and most people can't see through the gray hate but in truth albeit in limited work over the last month he pitched to a 1.83ERA so boone took a shot giving him what he thought was his best chance against the twins and on the road. anybody but gray. sure we all held our breath but who did you want - cessa? didn't work. move on and gray moves back to mop-up duty. and please show some rudimentary understanding of the big picture. 

2 months ago  ::  Sep 12, 2018 - 11:18AM #10
luvdayanks
Posts: 25,001

Sep 12, 2018 -- 9:22AM, Stewie wrote:


Sep 12, 2018 -- 9:06AM, cleanuphtr12 wrote:


Sep 12, 2018 -- 7:41AM, Stewie wrote:


When is Boone going to wake up and see that Sonny Gray is not his Justin Verlander.  There will be no renaissance, no second act for Sonny Gray.  He stinks.  He is inconsistent and unpredicable, except that he can be relied on to flop.  He needs to go.  After the game he said "We lost one game.  We're fine. I feel like everyone's in good spirits."


We're fine.


Everyone's in good spirits.


Well, that makes everything all right.  Thanks, Sonny!


He needs to go.  Now.


Bye, Sonny, and take Boone with you.  It's not personal, Sonny...it's strictly business.




Gray is out of the rotation and is pitching in mop up duty.  He was used last night for one start to try to give the rest of the rotation an extra day's rest.  He will immediately return to mop up duty.  What part of that equation makes you believe that Boone thinks Sonny Gray is his Justin Verlander....?


Saying that Gray has been garbage this year is pretty accurate.  But he's not a significant part of this team right now and the implication that Boone thinks he is deserves an eye-roll.




I'm not talking about "mop-up duty,"  I'm talking about last night, about Boone once again giving Grey the wheel and expecting anything but a crash-and-burn.  Giving Gray the start last night was not an imperative.  It was Boone trying to get creative and make a "manager's" move that would show vereyone that he's a real manager.  Well, he made his move and it blew up in his face.  When is he going to stop trusting Boone when we're within 10 runs of the other team, up or down?  Because that's the only time he should break the glass and bring Gray in.




 What were the options, Cessa??? Love the second guessing, but no real solution.

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