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What percentage of blame goes to Mr. Cashman ?
7 days ago  ::  Oct 10, 2018 - 3:07PM #1
hof19
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Boone is allready "under the bus " per most Yankees fans should Mr.Cashman be (somewhat ) tossed there also ?
7 days ago  ::  Oct 10, 2018 - 4:08PM #2
njyf
Posts: 22

Oct 10, 2018 -- 3:07PM, hof19 wrote:

Boone is allready "under the bus " per most Yankees fans should Mr.Cashman be (somewhat ) tossed there also ?


I'd say 100% of everything that's happened with the team the last two years is on Cashman. Stanton instead of Yelich/JDM, no Verlander, no Gerrit Cole, Boone over Cora. A change to any of these would have affected the outcome last year and this year.

7 days ago  ::  Oct 10, 2018 - 4:48PM #3
Lulu
Posts: 3,023

good thing neither of you are the GM. Thank god!!!!!!!!


7 days ago  ::  Oct 10, 2018 - 4:57PM #4
Cocopugg
Posts: 6,288

Yankees took a step back this year from last, being eliminated in the ALDS in only 4 games this yr, so I'd say Cashman should take a lot of the blame. First and foremost is bringing in someone who'se never even coached before, to be the manager of a team that was expected to compete for a world championship. Second worst move was to bring someone whose claim to fame was hitting long homeruns in between 200 his strikeouts. Neither piece can make for a championship team. And let's not forget last year's classic, bringing in Sonny Gray. The off-season will be very interesting indeed, since the current Yankee team isn't going to win a championship anytime soon without at least 2 more front line starters with "ace" stuff. No matter how good the Yankees get, they'll still have to worry about the Astros and Red Sox (whose pitchers aren't going anywhere) for the next couple of yrs. It'll be an interesting off-season.

7 days ago  ::  Oct 10, 2018 - 6:03PM #5
luvdayanks
Posts: 24,991

Oct 10, 2018 -- 4:08PM, njyf wrote:


Oct 10, 2018 -- 3:07PM, hof19 wrote:

Boone is allready "under the bus " per most Yankees fans should Mr.Cashman be (somewhat ) tossed there also ?


I'd say 100% of everything that's happened with the team the last two years is on Cashman. Stanton instead of Yelich/JDM, no Verlander, no Gerrit Cole, Boone over Cora. A change to any of these would have affected the outcome last year and this year.




You have absolutely  no clue  what  you're  talking about. First of all in the last two years Cashman  has gotten players like Happ, Britton, Torres, McCutcheon  and others and given up very little along with building the farm system to one of the best in MLB . 


All of your proposals of who he should have gotten are full of holes. To get Yelich they would  have had to give up top prospects  along with Frazier, Torres and/or Andujar. Milwaukee  gave up 4 top prospects. Stanton  was nothing more than a salary dump and they basically  gave up no one of  significance .  Castro was expendable  with Torres moving to second.


A deal for Verlander or Cole has been discussed over and over why it want even a consideration, sorry  you missed it look it up. Cora was not a consideration, he wanted the Sox job anyhow and in the eyes  of the Yankees was not the right fit. Let me ask you if the Yankees signed  Cora and Boston  signed Boone  do you think the Yankees  would  have won 108 games and been in first?  I think not. All the stars aligned  for Cora this year. Hindsight  is 20-20.

7 days ago  ::  Oct 10, 2018 - 6:19PM #6
Paterson
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Oct 10, 2018 -- 6:03PM, luvdayanks wrote:


Oct 10, 2018 -- 4:08PM, njyf wrote:


Oct 10, 2018 -- 3:07PM, hof19 wrote:

Boone is allready "under the bus " per most Yankees fans should Mr.Cashman be (somewhat ) tossed there also ?


I'd say 100% of everything that's happened with the team the last two years is on Cashman. Stanton instead of Yelich/JDM, no Verlander, no Gerrit Cole, Boone over Cora. A change to any of these would have affected the outcome last year and this year.




You have absolutely  no clue  what  you're  talking about. First of all in the last two years Cashman  has gotten players like Happ, Britton, Torres, McCutcheon  and others and given up very little along with building the farm system to one of the best in MLB . 


All of your proposals of who he should have gotten are full of holes. To get Yelich they would  have had to give up top prospects  along with Frazier, Torres and/or Andujar. Milwaukee  gave up 4 top prospects. Stanton  was nothing more than a salary dump and they basically  gave up no one of  significance .  Castro was expendable  with Torres moving to second.


A deal for Verlander or Cole has been discussed over and over why it want even a consideration, sorry  you missed it look it up. Cora was not a consideration, he wanted the Sox job anyhow and in the eyes  of the Yankees was not the right fit. Let me ask you if the Yankees signed  Cora and Boston  signed Boone  do you think the Yankees  would  have won 108 games and been in first?  I think not. All the stars aligned  for Cora this year. Hindsight  is 20-20.




  


  The top prospect in the Miami Marlins organization is a hard thrower named Jorge Guzman the Yankees sent as part of the Stanton deal. He represented them at the Futures Game this summer and is reputed to have hit 103 on radar guns. Denbo is a very smart man. 


www.miamiherald.com/sports/mlb/miami-mar...

7 days ago  ::  Oct 10, 2018 - 6:26PM #7
2BBobby
Posts: 1,337

Oct 10, 2018 -- 6:19PM, Paterson wrote:


  The top prospect in the Miami Marlins organization is a hard thrower named Jorge Guzman the Yankees sent as part of the Stanton deal. He represented them at the Futures Game this summer and is reputed to have hit 103 on radar guns. Denbo is a very smart man. 


www.miamiherald.com/sports/mlb/miami-mar...




Guzman is #5. Monte Harrison (from Brewers for Yelich) is #1.

7 days ago  ::  Oct 10, 2018 - 6:32PM #8
meacham
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With the farm system being so highly rated and so many guys graduating and making big impacts, it's hard for me to fault Cashman much for his ability to scout, develop and acquire talent.   He's as good as it gets that way.   And he did it with Hal handcuffing him and now they will reap the benefits of a reset luxury tax rate too. 


He was involved in the decision to hire Boone though, and that seems to me to have been a mistake.   Not solely Cashman's but definitely more on him than anyone else. 

7 days ago  ::  Oct 10, 2018 - 6:36PM #9
luvdayanks
Posts: 24,991

Oct 10, 2018 -- 6:32PM, meacham wrote:


With the farm system being so highly rated and so many guys graduating and making big impacts, it's hard for me to fault Cashman much for his ability to scout, develop and acquire talent.   He's as good as it gets that way.   And he did it with Hal handcuffing him and now they will reap the benefits of a reset luxury tax rate too. 


He was involved in the decision to hire Boone though, and that seems to me to have been a mistake.   Not solely Cashman's but definitely more on him than anyone else. 




I would love  to  know  how that all went down  who made the final decision  on Boone , Hal or Cashman.

7 days ago  ::  Oct 10, 2018 - 6:38PM #10
maplebats
Posts: 166

The issue I have with Cashman is that he hides behind this fiction he has created about Gene Michael. Cashman continues to claim that he is "following the Gene Michael model" of building an offense with "big hairy monsters". Gene Michael didn't do that. Cashman is guilty of falling in love with the big homerun hitters. Gene Michael's teams were not HR hitters. The 1996 World Champion Yankees hit a mere 162 HRs that season, below MLB average for team HRs. But that offense also hit to a .288 AVG (second best in baseball to Cleveland's .293 which also finished with the most wins that year) with a .360 OBP. More relevant is that the 1996 Yankees struck out only 909 times, second fewest in the majors. The alltime great 1998 World Champion Yankees hit 207 HRs but also finished with a .288 AVG and the fifth fewest strikeouts in the majors. The 2018 Yankees struck out 1421 times, ninth most in baseball.


We hear quite often that the Yankees are too reliant on the HR. That is true to a degree, but it misses the forest for the trees. The problem with this offense is the lack of contact. Strikeouts are a killer. They produce nothing but at least one out. Baseball has become obsessed with OPS to its detriment. Building around OPS worked 10 or more years ago. Now, pitching is dominant, bullpens are deep and strong. OPS is now the way to get into the post season because you beat up on plenty of bad pitching during the regular season. What is needed for offense in the post season is AVG+OBP. Gene Michael understood that and built his lineup accordingly. Brian Cashman is willfully and stubbornly ignorant of that calculus.

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