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10 months ago  ::  Nov 10, 2018 - 10:31PM #41
jimwest
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Nov 6, 2018 -- 11:40PM, dixieyank wrote:


Nov 6, 2018 -- 10:53PM, newinn wrote:


not excited



The only part of this deal that worries me is 1) roster spot and 2) a lefty, when there are 2 lefties on the FA market that would be huge upgrades over CC (Happ and Corbin).


Just gonna wait and see how this all plays out before judging it. But retaining Gardner and CC ain't moving the needle, that's for sure. 




I see it the same way. The focus of Yankee management should have been to secure Happ or Corbin (probably Happ, as he has less suitors) first, as they are considerable upgrades over CC. If other teams wanted CC, it would not have been a big loss if he signed elsewhere. At worst, if they didn't get three other starters via free agency and trades, they have enough arms at SWB for one to be considered for promotion in 2019.


Now there are only 2 rotation spots. I had hoped they would sign Corbin and Happ, then possibly trade for a Kluber or Carrasco, which would make for a tremendous rotation. Now only two of those can realistically be had.


Let's hope they definitely land 2 of those 4 pitchers.


10 months ago  ::  Nov 11, 2018 - 7:17AM #42
yankoldfan
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Nov 10, 2018 -- 10:31PM, jimwest wrote:


Nov 6, 2018 -- 11:40PM, dixieyank wrote:


Nov 6, 2018 -- 10:53PM, newinn wrote:


not excited



The only part of this deal that worries me is 1) roster spot and 2) a lefty, when there are 2 lefties on the FA market that would be huge upgrades over CC (Happ and Corbin).


Just gonna wait and see how this all plays out before judging it. But retaining Gardner and CC ain't moving the needle, that's for sure. 




I see it the same way. The focus of Yankee management should have been to secure Happ or Corbin (probably Happ, as he has less suitors) first, as they are considerable upgrades over CC. If other teams wanted CC, it would not have been a big loss if he signed elsewhere. At worst, if they didn't get three other starters via free agency and trades, they have enough arms at SWB for one to be considered for promotion in 2019.


Now there are only 2 rotation spots. I had hoped they would sign Corbin and Happ, then possibly trade for a Kluber or Carrasco, which would make for a tremendous rotation. Now only two of those can realistically be had.


Let's hope they definitely land 2 of those 4 pitchers.





For some reason I don't think CC/Yankees either one is looking at big things from themselves, I think CC if things go well he continues to pitch, I also think when he gets his record he's running after, it could be him calling for an end and he might just walk away from the game... I also think CC could be a BP arm if we get starters to take up the holes we have in our rotation ?? Just my two cents...

10 months ago  ::  Nov 12, 2018 - 9:58AM #43
cleanuphtr12
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Nov 10, 2018 -- 6:51AM, yankoldfan wrote:


I'm not a fan of bringing back CC, but I think there are some options from which the Yankees can use him, if he doesn't work out as a starter, and they do pick up a couple of starters, he could have some value as a BP arm, a long reliever, a left handed specialist, I know he's going for a couple of milestones in his career, hell he might get those and retire before the season is over, who knows ??




I would be absolutely shocked if CC retired before the end of the season (barring and God forbid a serious injury).  He wants to reach those career milestones, sure, but he's also a competitor and I have no doubt he wants to end his career with another WS - even if he ends up being a lefty specialist during the postseason run.

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10 months ago  ::  Nov 12, 2018 - 10:10AM #44
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I agree with you, cleanup. CC has never come across as a guy who is all about numbers. I believe he signed this contract with every intention to help the Yankees win another championship.
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10 months ago  ::  Nov 12, 2018 - 3:56PM #45
dixieyank
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Nov 12, 2018 -- 10:10AM, bomberhojoe wrote:

I agree with you, cleanup. CC has never come across as a guy who is all about numbers. I believe he signed this contract with every intention to help the Yankees win another championship.



If the Yankees and Cashman do what they should, CC will only hinder them on the field IMO.


There is plenty of talent available to fill the starting rotation for cash and trade, that is night-and-day better than anything CC can give them.


10 months ago  ::  Nov 12, 2018 - 10:35PM #46
Yankees
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Nov 12, 2018 -- 10:10AM, bomberhojoe wrote:

I agree with you, cleanup. CC has never come across as a guy who is all about numbers. I believe he signed this contract with every intention to help the Yankees win another championship.



If CC wanted to help the Yankees win a championship he wouldn't of signed.  I love CC but at this stage of his career he is just preventing us from signing someone better.  Also I think a lot of us have forgotten about Jordan Montgomery, he should be back next year so how does he fit in the equation now?

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10 months ago  ::  Nov 13, 2018 - 7:06AM #47
yankoldfan
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Nov 12, 2018 -- 10:10AM, bomberhojoe wrote:

I agree with you, cleanup. CC has never come across as a guy who is all about numbers. I believe he signed this contract with every intention to help the Yankees win another championship.



I disagree, CC is a team player, if CC reaches his two records/milestones he's trying to reach and isn't having a good year, and he realizes he's not helping the team, I could easily see him stepping down, one thing CC doesn't want to go out on a bad note...

10 months ago  ::  Nov 13, 2018 - 9:10AM #48
bomberhojoe
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Nov 13, 2018 -- 7:06AM, yankoldfan wrote:


Nov 12, 2018 -- 10:10AM, bomberhojoe wrote:

I agree with you, cleanup. CC has never come across as a guy who is all about numbers. I believe he signed this contract with every intention to help the Yankees win another championship.



I disagree, CC is a team player, if CC reaches his two records/milestones he's trying to reach and isn't having a good year, and he realizes he's not helping the team, I could easily see him stepping down, one thing CC doesn't want to go out on a bad note...




Not sure what you are disagreeing with YOF. I wrote that CC believes he can help the Yankees win a championship, not that he wants to pitch no matter how good or poorly he performs. If he is not pitching well and is hurting the team, his pride and team mindset will probably lead him to retire.

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10 months ago  ::  Nov 13, 2018 - 9:43AM #49
cleanuphtr12
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Nov 12, 2018 -- 10:35PM, Yankees wrote:


Nov 12, 2018 -- 10:10AM, bomberhojoe wrote:

I agree with you, cleanup. CC has never come across as a guy who is all about numbers. I believe he signed this contract with every intention to help the Yankees win another championship.



If CC wanted to help the Yankees win a championship he wouldn't of signed.  I love CC but at this stage of his career he is just preventing us from signing someone better.  Also I think a lot of us have forgotten about Jordan Montgomery, he should be back next year so how does he fit in the equation now?





They need to fill 3 rotation spots this offseason.  I'm going to keep repeating this all offseason:  They're going to spend resources ($/prospects) to fill the first 2 holes, but they were never going to make the 5th starter a huge investment.  You weren't finding a better pitcher than CC for $7.5M without giving up prospects.  And the idea that he blocks Montgomery is ridiculous.  How often does a team get through a season using only 5 starters?  What if Montgomery suffers a setback.  It is a substantially better strategy to enter the season not planning to rely heavily on Montgomery than to make him your long term plan for the 5th SP role this year.  If and when he comes back and looks strong, he'll take a spot in the rotation.

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10 months ago  ::  Nov 13, 2018 - 12:00PM #50
Paterson
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Nov 12, 2018 -- 10:35PM, Yankees wrote:


Nov 12, 2018 -- 10:10AM, bomberhojoe wrote:

I agree with you, cleanup. CC has never come across as a guy who is all about numbers. I believe he signed this contract with every intention to help the Yankees win another championship.



If CC wanted to help the Yankees win a championship he wouldn't of signed.  I love CC but at this stage of his career he is just preventing us from signing someone better.  Also I think a lot of us have forgotten about Jordan Montgomery, he should be back next year so how does he fit in the equation now?




    You cannot count on Jordan Montgomery for 2019. Maybe he will take the mound for some work and if he is a quick healer/ diligent rehab patient after the AS break. But it is also possible that the doesn't contribute in 2019. There are a couple of guys who might compete for an end of the rotation spot...Adams, King, Swanson, Loasigia but no one is being blocked by CC.    

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