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1 year ago  ::  Dec 03, 2018 - 8:57AM #31
bumper
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we'll see if cashman's bluffing or not but actually thought sanchez did a respectable job behind the plate during the playoffs. if he can keep that focus and intensity up, with his bat, he'll be fine.


numbers the 1st two seasons are staggering. 53 HR and 132 RBI in 175 games but he is sorta at a crossroads. does he return to form or was 2018 who he's become. hoping for the good gary sanchez but it is a bit of a roll of the dice.

1 year ago  ::  Dec 03, 2018 - 9:05AM #32
BigGuy
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Cashman fires back at ‘completely false’ Gary Sanchez rumors











STAMFORD, Conn. — Rapelling from the top of the 22-story Landmark Building on Sunday night didn’t change Brian Cashman’s mind about trading Gary Sanchez. Nor did zip-lining across Broad Street to Atlantic Street.


And after Jose Feliciano offered a wonderful version of “Feliz Navidad” at a tree-lighting ceremony in nearby Latham Park, the Yankees’ general manager remained adamant Sanchez will remain the Yankees catcher. He added there was no truth to the chatter that he has talked trade with other clubs regarding the 26-year-old, who experienced a brutal 2018 season that was hampered by two trips to the disabled list with groin issues.


In October, Cashman said Sanchez would return behind the plate in 2019 and doubled down on that a week ahead of MLB’s winter meetings that open Sunday in Las Vegas, where trade rumors will outnumber the amount of money poured into slot machines.


“I always say follow my words,’’ Cashman said after the Heights & Lights event concluded. “Anybody who says otherwise, right now they would be wrong — although I have been asked. If you talk to teams, they would say he has been asked.’’


Last week a report surfaced that the Yankees were among several teams talking to the Marlins about acquiring catcher J.T. Realmuto, which Cashman said wasn’t true.


“False, completely false,’’ Cashman said. “I saw that somebody had written that we had offered for Realmuto. That is completely false.’’


Cashman expects Sanchez’s third big-league season will be closer to his first, and he will deliver the production he did during a two-month gig in 2016, when he finished second in the AL Rookie of the Year race thanks to 20 homers, 42 RBIs and a 1.032 OPS in 53 games.


Following the dismal 2018 season in which Sanchez hit .186 with 18 homers, 53 RBIs and posted a .697 OPS in 89 games, he underwent a cleanup procedure in his (non-throwing) left shoulder. Cashman explained the injury hindered him more at the plate than it impacted his leaky defense (MLB-high 18 passed balls), which often saw Sanchez not extending his left arm for pitches away to right-handed hitters and in on lefties.


“It was definitely a factor in irritating him this year,’’ Cashman said. “We definitely look forward to him coming back to what we saw a little bit in the postseason and what we saw in the previous years.’’



“The Robbie we had here was a tremendous player,” Cashman said. “He has been five years in Seattle so I can’t speak to that, but I think the Mets got a great player. They are a better team today because they made the moves.’’


"Leave the gun. Take the cannoli."
1 year ago  ::  Dec 03, 2018 - 9:06AM #33
newinn
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Dec 3, 2018 -- 8:57AM, bumper wrote:


we'll see if cashman's bluffing or not but actually thought sanchez did a respectable job behind the plate during the playoffs. if he can keep that focus and intensity up, with his bat, he'll be fine.


numbers the 1st two seasons are staggering. 53 HR and 132 RBI in 175 games but he is sorta at a crossroads. does he return to form or was 2018 who he's become. hoping for the good gary sanchez but it is a bit of a roll of the dice.




hey bumper. I thought he did a very good job behind the plate during the playoffs and frankly thats what bothered me about how poor his defense was during the season. I never thought it was about coaching or skill level. I always thought it was about effort. You can't coach effort and when you put the poor defense on top of poor offense, I'm not sure what it says. I'm not quiting on him but I agree that he's at a crossroads. He along with Bird get one more shot from me

1 year ago  ::  Dec 03, 2018 - 9:52AM #34
cleanuphtr12
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Dec 3, 2018 -- 9:06AM, newinn wrote:


Dec 3, 2018 -- 8:57AM, bumper wrote:


we'll see if cashman's bluffing or not but actually thought sanchez did a respectable job behind the plate during the playoffs. if he can keep that focus and intensity up, with his bat, he'll be fine.


numbers the 1st two seasons are staggering. 53 HR and 132 RBI in 175 games but he is sorta at a crossroads. does he return to form or was 2018 who he's become. hoping for the good gary sanchez but it is a bit of a roll of the dice.




hey bumper. I thought he did a very good job behind the plate during the playoffs and frankly thats what bothered me about how poor his defense was during the season. I never thought it was about coaching or skill level. I always thought it was about effort. You can't coach effort and when you put the poor defense on top of poor offense, I'm not sure what it says. I'm not quiting on him but I agree that he's at a crossroads. He along with Bird get one more shot from me





Everything in Sanchez' toolbox says that he has the skills to be a good defensive catcher.  He frames pitches well, he has a strong arm.  The vast majority of his screwups are related to blocking pitches in the dirt.  I don't think we should read too much either way into his defense in the playoffs.  I'm sure you could pick out 5-game samples from the regular season where he limited his mistakes and looked like a top defender as a result.

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1 year ago  ::  Dec 03, 2018 - 10:49AM #35
newinn
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Dec 3, 2018 -- 9:52AM, cleanuphtr12 wrote:


Dec 3, 2018 -- 9:06AM, newinn wrote:


Dec 3, 2018 -- 8:57AM, bumper wrote:


we'll see if cashman's bluffing or not but actually thought sanchez did a respectable job behind the plate during the playoffs. if he can keep that focus and intensity up, with his bat, he'll be fine.


numbers the 1st two seasons are staggering. 53 HR and 132 RBI in 175 games but he is sorta at a crossroads. does he return to form or was 2018 who he's become. hoping for the good gary sanchez but it is a bit of a roll of the dice.




hey bumper. I thought he did a very good job behind the plate during the playoffs and frankly thats what bothered me about how poor his defense was during the season. I never thought it was about coaching or skill level. I always thought it was about effort. You can't coach effort and when you put the poor defense on top of poor offense, I'm not sure what it says. I'm not quiting on him but I agree that he's at a crossroads. He along with Bird get one more shot from me





Everything in Sanchez' toolbox says that he has the skills to be a good defensive catcher.  He frames pitches well, he has a strong arm.  The vast majority of his screwups are related to blocking pitches in the dirt.  I don't think we should read too much either way into his defense in the playoffs.  I'm sure you could pick out 5-game samples from the regular season where he limited his mistakes and looked like a top defender as a result.




yeah, that was my point. He did it for a few 5 game stretches which showed he could. The big question remains, does he want to.

1 year ago  ::  Dec 03, 2018 - 11:54AM #36
cleanuphtr12
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I'm sure he wants to...  I believe with him focus is one of the main concerns.  Of course showing up to camp out of shape was not a good look.  We'll see what he does this spring.



As far as this potential trade...  It would be absolutely nuts to trade Sanchez for Realmuto without getting a second, fairly substantial piece in return.  Realmuto had been a good defensive catcher who was roughly league average offensively up until this season.  He broke out and had a great year with the bat, but I'm wary about trading for a guy based on one great season...  If you swap Sanchez (and more!) for Realmuto and they both go back to what they were in 2016-2017, you've downgraded offensively at catcher by a pretty substantial margain.  Is there an argument that defense should be prioritized at catcher and we have enough offense elsewhere...?  You could make that argument.  I still would need to get something else back with Realmuto.

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1 year ago  ::  Dec 03, 2018 - 12:18PM #37
yank0428
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Dec 3, 2018 -- 11:54AM, cleanuphtr12 wrote:


I'm sure he wants to...  I believe with him focus is one of the main concerns.  Of course showing up to camp out of shape was not a good look.  We'll see what he does this spring.



As far as this potential trade...  It would be absolutely nuts to trade Sanchez for Realmuto without getting a second, fairly substantial piece in return.  Realmuto had been a good defensive catcher who was roughly league average offensively up until this season.  He broke out and had a great year with the bat, but I'm wary about trading for a guy based on one great season...  If you swap Sanchez (and more!) for Realmuto and they both go back to what they were in 2016-2017, you've downgraded offensively at catcher by a pretty substantial margain.  Is there an argument that defense should be prioritized at catcher and we have enough offense elsewhere...?  You could make that argument.  I still would need to get something else back with Realmuto.




Going back and forth on this because he was so bad last year forgetting how good he was with the bat before. Would be trading him at such a low.Doubt he will ever be a good defensive catcher because like New think the effort is lacking but he showed in the post season he is capable of being decent for a stretch. His potential with the bat is so good leaning towards they should keep him and hope that he's embarrassed by this past season and will be very motivated to show what he can be.No way would I add another piece if they did.

1 year ago  ::  Dec 03, 2018 - 1:47PM #38
RobS44
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Dec 2, 2018 -- 7:15PM, jimwest wrote:


Dec 2, 2018 -- 5:45PM, RobS44 wrote:


Dec 2, 2018 -- 4:35PM, jimwest wrote:


Dec 2, 2018 -- 11:40AM, newinn wrote:


I hate giving up on young players with the potential of Sanchez but his lazy attitude last year certainly did nothing to impress




Yet the Yankees are seemingly so focused on "clarifying" comments from a player who shows laziness, and who professes laziness. A player whom they seem more than ready to drop $30m per for a bunch of years on. Makes zero sense.


I'm sure if Sanchez gets back to hitting 30+ homers and driving in a bunch of runs, his attitude won't be seen as such an issue.




If he puts up a .285/30/100 season we'll happily live with mediocre defense.  But if he is hitting under .200 with one HR come May and is leading the league in passed balls the torches and pitchforks will be out en masse.




Then imagine the reaction when the possible $30 million dollar Machado loafs to first base on a ball off the wall like he did in the WS.If a player isn't busting it on MLB's biggest stage, with the most at stake, what makes anyone think he will be better during regular season games.


Hal really needs to think when he says Machado's comments need clarfication. MM's actions and words have spoken.




I hear you.  I was so glad they got rid of Soriano in the ARod trade.  I was sick of seeing him stand at home plate admiring a moon shot only to see it clank off the wall and him standing at 1B when if he had busted it he would easily have been at 2B and maybe even 3B

1 year ago  ::  Dec 03, 2018 - 1:56PM #39
cleanuphtr12
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Dec 3, 2018 -- 12:18PM, yank0428 wrote:


Dec 3, 2018 -- 11:54AM, cleanuphtr12 wrote:


I'm sure he wants to...  I believe with him focus is one of the main concerns.  Of course showing up to camp out of shape was not a good look.  We'll see what he does this spring.



As far as this potential trade...  It would be absolutely nuts to trade Sanchez for Realmuto without getting a second, fairly substantial piece in return.  Realmuto had been a good defensive catcher who was roughly league average offensively up until this season.  He broke out and had a great year with the bat, but I'm wary about trading for a guy based on one great season...  If you swap Sanchez (and more!) for Realmuto and they both go back to what they were in 2016-2017, you've downgraded offensively at catcher by a pretty substantial margain.  Is there an argument that defense should be prioritized at catcher and we have enough offense elsewhere...?  You could make that argument.  I still would need to get something else back with Realmuto.




Going back and forth on this because he was so bad last year forgetting how good he was with the bat before. Would be trading him at such a low.Doubt he will ever be a good defensive catcher because like New think the effort is lacking but he showed in the post season he is capable of being decent for a stretch. His potential with the bat is so good leaning towards they should keep him and hope that he's embarrassed by this past season and will be very motivated to show what he can be.No way would I add another piece if they did.




For me it is simple:  you don't downgrade talent like that unless you're getting back a second piece.  

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1 year ago  ::  Dec 03, 2018 - 2:01PM #40
RobS44
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Dec 2, 2018 -- 7:20PM, newinn wrote:


I never denied that Cano was a productive player but I never enjoyed watching him as a player. If Sanchez puts up the 30 homers with a 280 batting average and still shows lazy tendencies I'll feel about him as I did with Cano. If they bring on Machado and he pulls the same nonsense and I stop enjoying watching guys like him and Sanchez play, I just won't follow them the way I do now. 


With the whole sabermetrics, lack of steals and hit and runs while waiting for the 3 run homer, I find the game less exciting now anyway. Add a couple of guys trotting down to first on ground balls, I'll start watching the Real Housewives of New York instead




Billy Martin supposedly once said that he would play Hitler or Stalin if it would help the team win. But it is hard to root for a team if you actively dislike the players.  All of us have had players we were happy to see leave, but there has only ever been one player where I felt that I would rather see the Yankees lose than this guy have a hand in helping the win and that was Ricky Henderson.


But, yeh, it will be hard to root for a team that features a catcher who shows no evidence of woking hard to improve and who takes his time chasing down passed balls and another guy who can't be bothered to run out grounders.


As for the sabermerics, it sure seemed at times like they had a better chance of coming back from a 3 run deficit than a one run deficit.

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