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1 week ago  ::  Dec 04, 2018 - 10:46PM #1
bigjeep8
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The Yankees liked Patrick Corbin, projected him as the best starter in this free-agent class. Their appreciation went beyond just his performance. Their homework was that the lefty had terrific makeup and he had the fringe benefit of having been raised in upstate New York as a Yankees fan.



But there was enough that gave them pause. Corbin had never pitched for anyone but the small-market Diamondbacks in the NL West. His slider was among the most effective pitches in the majors, yet there was worry should that pitch dim in effectiveness or hitters became more attuned to laying off it. Corbin was just a few years removed from Tommy John surgery and a 5.15 ERA, and only in his 2018 walk year did he perform more like a top-of-the-rotation starter.



There was a lot to like and in a different day perhaps the Yankees would have ignored what gave them hesitation and provided whatever it took to get a deal done. But the Yanks felt they were stretching to go from four to five years in a potential offer, and so when agent John Courtright told them he could get six years, this version of the Yanks essentially said there was nothing more to discuss.



Yu Darvish received six years at $126 million last offseason as the best free agent available and the Corbin camp reasoned the best starter this offseason should get more — and he did. Corbin agreed Tuesday to a six-year, $140 million pact with the Nationals.



That left the Yankees without the second starter they preferred to add this offseason after James Paxton. Does this mean these are the Yankees now, that they will stretch a little, but not much more than that?



Or at some point do they decide that they are the biggest of big-market clubs and as bright as the near future might be, they are a win-now team that has to cash in a championship at some point and that may mean extending to an uncomfortable level for a desirable piece? Could that be Manny Machado? Since the Yanks will almost certainly spend less on a starter now than they would have had they secured Corbin, do they redirect money to run scoring over run prevention — though, especially as a third baseman, Machado would help prevent runs too?


For now, the Yanks are acting as if they will not overreact to failing to land Corbin. They are even more thankful to have landed Paxton so early in the offseason and, thus, not facing the continuing desperation to add two starters. They still like J.A. Happ, in particular, with other free-agent options such as Nathan Eovaldi, Yusei Kikuchi and Charlie Morton, and Cleveland’s Corey Kluber and Carlos Carrasco and San Francisco’s Madison Bumgarner available in trades.


But the Yanks appear hesitant to reunite with Eovaldi if he really is going to get a four-year contract, even if it is from the Red Sox, the team that beat them in the AL East and the Division Series. And they have found the asking prices for an Indians starter too high.



And, thus, we are faced with a strange early winter in which the Mets, under new GM Brodie Van Wagenen, are acting more like at least the caricature of the Yankees. After all, the Yanks inquired on Robinson Cano too, but wanted the Mariners to eat even more money than just taking on Jacoby Ellsbury. The Mets, with less caution, took on the financial/age risk with Cano to also land elite closer Edwin Diaz.


Of course, it is still relatively early in the offseason. As one executive said about where the Yankees are — “We are not even in Vegas yet.” That would be the winter meetings, which begin Sunday. This official said he would not underestimate the Yankees’ ability to solve their problems, and would not even make an initial read on them until Opening Day.


The Yankees’ plan with Machado has always seemed as patient, opportune shoppers. The reality is that the Phillies also finished as runners-up for Corbin. With or without Corbin, the Phillies were expected to be motivated shoppers on Machado and Bryce Harper. Is that greater now? The Yanks seem to have little interest currently in Harper. But if, say, the Phillies sign the lefty slugger, what does that do to the Machado market?


He will have options, but does he want to, say, risk putting himself off the baseball radar to maximize dollars, as Cano did by going to Seattle? The White Sox, for example, are viewed as motivated shoppers at the top of the market, but also do not appear close to winning. Machado, if he could pick a place, would choose the Yankees. But that also was true about Corbin, and he followed the money, as most businessmen (including those who play baseball) do.


In the past, there was expectation that following the money would lead to the Yankees. They would tell a desirable player to find his best offer, come back and the Yanks would beat it. But this organization showed the discipline over a few years to work to fall under the luxury-tax threshold last season, and now this offseason it has passed on both Cano and — more vitally — Corbin.


The Yankees are a very good team that not only needs to do more, but wants to do more — another starter, two relievers and a fill-in or more for Didi Gregorius. That will come at significant cost, and these days you have to ask: What are the Yankees willing to pay?


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1 week ago  ::  Dec 05, 2018 - 8:57AM #2
socialgold
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I wonder how many of the Yankee fans that are disappointed about the team missing out on Corbin were ripping the organization for not acquiring Darvish last year.
1 week ago  ::  Dec 05, 2018 - 9:27AM #3
cleanuphtr12
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Dec 5, 2018 -- 8:57AM, socialgold wrote:

I wonder how many of the Yankee fans that are disappointed about the team missing out on Corbin were ripping the organization for not acquiring Darvish last year.



The obvious comparison here being that....  they're both pitchers?



They're two different players.  Yu Darvish spending most of his first season injured says literally nothing about Patrick Corbin.  And on top of that, if Darvish bounces back in 2019 and pitches like he did in 2017, no Cubs fans are going to be complaining about him.  

1 week ago  ::  Dec 05, 2018 - 9:30AM #4
Lulu
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so much for saying he would like to play for the Yankees.And that he grew up being a Yankee fan and his family are Yankees fans who wanted him to choose the Yankees.


His brother  just got married and donned a Yankee cap at his wedding.


Money does talk.


Kiss my azz , Corbin.

1 week ago  ::  Dec 05, 2018 - 10:07AM #5
cleanuphtr12
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Mike Axisa from RAB hits the nail on the head:


River Ave. Blues » Thoughts after the Yankees miss out on Patrick Corbin





1. Missing out on Corbin the pitcher really stinks — lefties who miss that many bats and get that many ground balls are hard to find! — but the principle of it all bothers me more than anything. Why are the Yankees getting outbid for anyone this offseason? Their window to win is never going to get more open than it is right now. All the prospects have arrived and assumed big league roles. There are no more Aaron Judges or Gleyber Torreses or Luis Severinos coming. Those dudes are in the Bronx already. Also, young veterans like James Paxton, Aaron Hicks, and (the injured) Didi Gregorius have blossomed. Veterans like Masahiro Tanaka, Dellin Betances, and Aroldis Chapman are still productive. And the Yankees reset their luxury tax rate this season! When are they going to spend if not now? Corbin’s not perfect, no one is, but he’s really good and he was the best available free agent starter. He was available for cash. Now the Yankees will settle for a lesser pitcher because they didn’t want to tack on a sixth year, a sixth year that very well might come after the window to win with this group has closed. How do you spend all offseason saying the priority is starting pitching, only to let the best available starter get away because you don’t want to pay him in what will be Aaron Judge’s age 32 season? There’s a lot of winning that has to be done between now and then.








They have more available money now than ever before, they have a young, cheap core that is ready to win now...  Not spending now is unforgiveable after making us suffer through crap like Vernon Wells for years while they publically tried and failed to get under the threshold.

1 week ago  ::  Dec 05, 2018 - 10:17AM #6
2BBobby
Posts: 1,910

Dec 5, 2018 -- 9:30AM, Lulu wrote:


so much for saying he would like to play for the Yankees.And that he grew up being a Yankee fan and his family are Yankees fans who wanted him to choose the Yankees.


His brother  just got married and donned a Yankee cap at his wedding.


Money does talk.


Kiss my azz , Corbin.




~~~~~~~~~~~


Why take it personally? Pro athletes have relatively short careers, so yeah...money matters.


Owners of teams have no loyalty to players...they ultimately make player decisions based on money. Take a look at the number of players non-tendered. Yankees DFA'd Torreyes without a second thought. It's a business...for both the owners and employees.

1 week ago  ::  Dec 05, 2018 - 10:36AM #7
laurenf2
Posts: 7,734

Dec 5, 2018 -- 9:30AM, Lulu wrote:


so much for saying he would like to play for the Yankees.And that he grew up being a Yankee fan and his family are Yankees fans who wanted him to choose the Yankees.


His brother  just got married and donned a Yankee cap at his wedding.


Money does talk.


Kiss my azz , Corbin.



 


Really?  You're going ballistic for a player taking the biggest contract?  Players work hard toward Free Agency with dreams of cashing in and setting himself up for life.  There is a short window of opportunity to do just that as careers don't expand too long especially if injuries occur to shorten it. An added 40M nothing to sneeze at... 


MLB collective bargaining encourage players to take the biggest contract. A difference of a few million is not a game changer...40M with an added year is more than just a few millions. 


Yankees won't be seeing him much at he continues to play in NL.  Yankees offered him more than a fair contract.  5 years is too much for a pitcher who had only one good season. If he had a career like Sabathia or Mussina heading toward FA, 5 years would be a consideration...as you can well see that is not the case.

1 week ago  ::  Dec 05, 2018 - 10:44AM #8
cleanuphtr12
Posts: 500

Dec 5, 2018 -- 10:36AM, laurenf2 wrote:


Dec 5, 2018 -- 9:30AM, Lulu wrote:


so much for saying he would like to play for the Yankees.And that he grew up being a Yankee fan and his family are Yankees fans who wanted him to choose the Yankees.


His brother  just got married and donned a Yankee cap at his wedding.


Money does talk.


Kiss my azz , Corbin.



 


Really?  You're going ballistic for a player taking the biggest contract?  Players work hard toward Free Agency with dreams of cashing in and setting himself up for life.  There is a short window of opportunity to do just that as careers don't expand too long especially if injuries occur to shorten it. An added 40M nothing to sneeze at... 


MLB collective bargaining encourage players to take the biggest contract. A difference of a few million is not a game changer...40M with an added year is more than just a few millions. 


Yankees won't be seeing him much at he continues to play in NL.  Yankees offered him more than a fair contract.  5 years is too much for a pitcher who had only one good season. If he had a career like Sabathia or Mussina heading toward FA, 5 years would be a consideration...as you can well see that is not the case.




That isn't the current market.  If he had a career like CC or Moose heading into free agency, he would be looking at 7 years at close to 30 million per year.  That is what aces are being paid in the current market.  Corbin's contract pays him like a high end #2.

1 week ago  ::  Dec 05, 2018 - 12:12PM #9
laurenf2
Posts: 7,734

Dec 5, 2018 -- 10:44AM, cleanuphtr12 wrote:


Dec 5, 2018 -- 10:36AM, laurenf2 wrote:


Dec 5, 2018 -- 9:30AM, Lulu wrote:


so much for saying he would like to play for the Yankees.And that he grew up being a Yankee fan and his family are Yankees fans who wanted him to choose the Yankees.


His brother  just got married and donned a Yankee cap at his wedding.


Money does talk.


Kiss my azz , Corbin.



 


Really?  You're going ballistic for a player taking the biggest contract?  Players work hard toward Free Agency with dreams of cashing in and setting himself up for life.  There is a short window of opportunity to do just that as careers don't expand too long especially if injuries occur to shorten it. An added 40M nothing to sneeze at... 


MLB collective bargaining encourage players to take the biggest contract. A difference of a few million is not a game changer...40M with an added year is more than just a few millions. 


Yankees won't be seeing him much at he continues to play in NL.  Yankees offered him more than a fair contract.  5 years is too much for a pitcher who had only one good season. If he had a career like Sabathia or Mussina heading toward FA, 5 years would be a consideration...as you can well see that is not the case.




That isn't the current market.  If he had a career like CC or Moose heading into free agency, he would be looking at 7 years at close to 30 million per year.  That is what aces are being paid in the current market.  Corbin's contract pays him like a high end #2.




Any pitcher with contracts 5 years for more would have to have a better resume then Corbin.  28 M/year...that is overkill for a pitcher who only had one good year among many. Nats exceedingly overpaid to get him.  

1 week ago  ::  Dec 05, 2018 - 12:39PM #10
Paterson
Posts: 5,734

Dec 5, 2018 -- 10:07AM, cleanuphtr12 wrote:


Mike Axisa from RAB hits the nail on the head:


River Ave. Blues » Thoughts after the Yankees miss out on Patrick Corbin





1. Missing out on Corbin the pitcher really stinks — lefties who miss that many bats and get that many ground balls are hard to find! — but the principle of it all bothers me more than anything. Why are the Yankees getting outbid for anyone this offseason? Their window to win is never going to get more open than it is right now. All the prospects have arrived and assumed big league roles. There are no more Aaron Judges or Gleyber Torreses or Luis Severinos coming. Those dudes are in the Bronx already. Also, young veterans like James Paxton, Aaron Hicks, and (the injured) Didi Gregorius have blossomed. Veterans like Masahiro Tanaka, Dellin Betances, and Aroldis Chapman are still productive. And the Yankees reset their luxury tax rate this season! When are they going to spend if not now? Corbin’s not perfect, no one is, but he’s really good and he was the best available free agent starter. He was available for cash. Now the Yankees will settle for a lesser pitcher because they didn’t want to tack on a sixth year, a sixth year that very well might come after the window to win with this group has closed. How do you spend all offseason saying the priority is starting pitching, only to let the best available starter get away because you don’t want to pay him in what will be Aaron Judge’s age 32 season? There’s a lot of winning that has to be done between now and then.








They have more available money now than ever before, they have a young, cheap core that is ready to win now...  Not spending now is unforgiveable




    Regardless of whether I agree with all your opinions, you normally try to put your ideas out there in an intelligent manner. Calling any player crap doesn't meet the standard. And for the record, Vernon Wells had a 15 year run in MLB that included a WAR of 28.5 and 3 AS games. He won't be getting into Cooperstown but that is not a "crap" career.  

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