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9 months ago  ::  Dec 05, 2018 - 1:49PM #11
louisiana_lightning
Posts: 16,742

Dec 5, 2018 -- 1:25PM, newinn wrote:


Dec 5, 2018 -- 1:18PM, craner7 wrote:

Because it's true. You don't like Trump but try and put yourself in his shoes.....he's totally innocent of all this Russia garbage and you feel it's being done to wreck your presidency because the powers that be hated you being President....day after day for two years dealing with this. Now even digging into yrs of his business. The human reaction is to fight back . Now maybe it'll end up I've been fooled big time and he did work with Russia to affect the election but if he's right this has been pretty damn unfair ....right? I do hope he learns from HW and is more civil.



I don't like Trump because he refuses to rise above anything. I don't know if he colluded with Russia so I don't speak as a fact that he has. I think there was more then one shooter in the Kennedy assasination but I certainly don't know that as a fact. You present all of your opinions as if they are fact always leaving no room for discussion.


Perhaps the powers that be hate him being President because of the way he carries himself. I don't hate all of his policies but I hate him being President for that reason.




I think he is hated because he accomplished what Ross Perot couldn’t.  He was an outsider, not part of the political machine.  He was widely outspent and didn’t even burn much of his own money.  He played the press and used them, Joe Scarborough and his crew have to know they did more to get him elected than any political ads.  


There were so many opportunities for Trump to be destroyed politically and marginalized but he rode it all out by never admitting fault or apologizing.  To dispossessed voters it was refreshing seeing the same old contrived games fail.


I don’t like the man or respect him but to me he was better than Hillary and if you tune out the drama has been effective on policy.

9 months ago  ::  Dec 05, 2018 - 1:53PM #12
newinn
Posts: 33,215

Dec 5, 2018 -- 1:44PM, craner7 wrote:

I think there's enough blame for uncivil behavior on all sides. Maybe the tribute to HW will make all think about that. Yea I have strong opinions like on JFK and think evidence is there to support it but it's not fact ...if I could prove who else was involved killing our President I'd be famous. Geez.



when you talk about it though you talk as if it is a fact. I guess you can't see it but that's the way I've seen it for years in most of the topics you post on. You seldom leave open the possibility your opinions might be wrong. ahhhh whatever

9 months ago  ::  Dec 05, 2018 - 1:59PM #13
newinn
Posts: 33,215

Dec 5, 2018 -- 1:49PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Dec 5, 2018 -- 1:25PM, newinn wrote:


Dec 5, 2018 -- 1:18PM, craner7 wrote:

Because it's true. You don't like Trump but try and put yourself in his shoes.....he's totally innocent of all this Russia garbage and you feel it's being done to wreck your presidency because the powers that be hated you being President....day after day for two years dealing with this. Now even digging into yrs of his business. The human reaction is to fight back . Now maybe it'll end up I've been fooled big time and he did work with Russia to affect the election but if he's right this has been pretty damn unfair ....right? I do hope he learns from HW and is more civil.



I don't like Trump because he refuses to rise above anything. I don't know if he colluded with Russia so I don't speak as a fact that he has. I think there was more then one shooter in the Kennedy assasination but I certainly don't know that as a fact. You present all of your opinions as if they are fact always leaving no room for discussion.


Perhaps the powers that be hate him being President because of the way he carries himself. I don't hate all of his policies but I hate him being President for that reason.




I think he is hated because he accomplished what Ross Perot couldn’t.  He was an outsider, not part of the political machine.  He was widely outspent and didn’t even burn much of his own money.  He played the press and used them, Joe Scarborough and his crew have to know they did more to get him elected than any political ads.  


There were so many opportunities for Trump to be destroyed politically and marginalized but he rode it all out by never admitting fault or apologizing.  To dispossessed voters it was refreshing seeing the same old contrived games fail.


I don’t like the man or respect him but to me he was better than Hillary and if you tune out the drama has been effective on policy.




I think there are valid points there. He won, he doesn't have to be so constantly angry and on the attack. I said I don't disagree with all of his policies and I have repeatedly said I don't like Hillary but I've gotten to the point where I can't stand the daily antagonism. The little petty arguments that a leader shouldn't be involved with, he's always involved with. Calm down, have a sense of humor and stop being so damn angry on a daily basis. Expand you base and stop turning off the moderate independent with the nonsense. To most Americans, every day is not about Donald Trump

9 months ago  ::  Dec 05, 2018 - 2:04PM #14
2BBobby
Posts: 3,912

Dec 5, 2018 -- 1:49PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


I don’t like the man or respect him but to me he was better than Hillary...




~~~


Ah...the "lesser of evils" argument.


So, I'll ask you...do you agree with John Kasich's statement?


"Look, we need different leadership, there isn't any question about it."

9 months ago  ::  Dec 05, 2018 - 2:04PM #15
prof. quiz
Posts: 7,279

Dec 5, 2018 -- 1:49PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


He played the press and used them, Joe Scarborough and his crew have to know they did more to get him elected than any political ads.  




No doubt the media unknowingly got him elected. Even bad press is good press. He garnered 90% of the press coverage. Everyone was laughing except the people who voted for him.


He is the first political outsider to make it to the WH. At first I thought that might turn out to be a good thing. But then reality hit and the players who put him in power, both foreign and domestic, want to collect their due.


It is painfully obvious that the buffoon is way out of his league. I never realized how obtuse he is. He reads and speaks at a 4th grade level. He's a national embarrassment.

9 months ago  ::  Dec 05, 2018 - 2:09PM #16
louisiana_lightning
Posts: 16,742

Dec 5, 2018 -- 1:59PM, newinn wrote:


Dec 5, 2018 -- 1:49PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Dec 5, 2018 -- 1:25PM, newinn wrote:


Dec 5, 2018 -- 1:18PM, craner7 wrote:

Because it's true. You don't like Trump but try and put yourself in his shoes.....he's totally innocent of all this Russia garbage and you feel it's being done to wreck your presidency because the powers that be hated you being President....day after day for two years dealing with this. Now even digging into yrs of his business. The human reaction is to fight back . Now maybe it'll end up I've been fooled big time and he did work with Russia to affect the election but if he's right this has been pretty damn unfair ....right? I do hope he learns from HW and is more civil.



I don't like Trump because he refuses to rise above anything. I don't know if he colluded with Russia so I don't speak as a fact that he has. I think there was more then one shooter in the Kennedy assasination but I certainly don't know that as a fact. You present all of your opinions as if they are fact always leaving no room for discussion.


Perhaps the powers that be hate him being President because of the way he carries himself. I don't hate all of his policies but I hate him being President for that reason.




I think he is hated because he accomplished what Ross Perot couldn’t.  He was an outsider, not part of the political machine.  He was widely outspent and didn’t even burn much of his own money.  He played the press and used them, Joe Scarborough and his crew have to know they did more to get him elected than any political ads.  


There were so many opportunities for Trump to be destroyed politically and marginalized but he rode it all out by never admitting fault or apologizing.  To dispossessed voters it was refreshing seeing the same old contrived games fail.


I don’t like the man or respect him but to me he was better than Hillary and if you tune out the drama has been effective on policy.




I think there are valid points there. He won, he doesn't have to be so constantly angry and on the attack. I said I don't disagree with all of his policies and I have repeatedly said I don't like Hillary but I've gotten to the point where I can't stand the daily antagonism. The little petty arguments that a leader shouldn't be involved with, he's always involved with. Calm down, have a sense of humor and stop being so damn angry on a daily basis. Expand you base and stop turning off the moderate independent with the nonsense. To most Americans, every day is not about Donald Trump




True, I just don't think you are going to see moderates get very far in today's brave new world.  Anyone that does break through appearing moderate and empathetic to opposing points of view most likely will be wolf in sheep's clothing Machiavellian political opportunists.

9 months ago  ::  Dec 05, 2018 - 2:21PM #17
laurenf2
Posts: 9,400
What a love story, first and only love ...George and Barbara everlasting from teenage to grave.
9 months ago  ::  Dec 05, 2018 - 2:21PM #18
louisiana_lightning
Posts: 16,742

Dec 5, 2018 -- 2:04PM, 2BBobby wrote:


Dec 5, 2018 -- 1:49PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


I don’t like the man or respect him but to me he was better than Hillary...




~~~


Ah...the "lesser of evils argument".


So, I'll ask you...do you agree with John Kasich's statement?


"Look, we need different leadership, there isn't any question about it."




The prospect of that scares me.  A primary challenge could really weaken and divide the party kind of the way Bernie did to Hillary before he begrudgingly threw his support to her.  He did some real damage to her during the primaries.


If the Republicans lose the upcoming election there is a real risk of a progressive President, even a moderate is a concern with so many progressives in the legislature.  Civility will never outweigh policy for me.  I loved Jeff Flake when he was shaming his peers on pork in the House of Representatives.  Now that he is trying to hold up judicial appointments I question to what ends?  Civility is over rated, sometimes there is right or wrong and splitting the baby is the worst outcome.  I want bulwarks in office to prevent the creep of harmful policy.  The rhetoric can be toned down when the threat subsides.


I can think of several candidates that I would prefer carrying the water for the Republicans than Trump but I think that Mueller hitting pay dirt and an impeachment removing him from office is the only way that I would be comfortable changing horses.

9 months ago  ::  Dec 05, 2018 - 3:35PM #19
yank0428
Posts: 17,317

Dec 5, 2018 -- 1:59PM, newinn wrote:


Dec 5, 2018 -- 1:49PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Dec 5, 2018 -- 1:25PM, newinn wrote:


Dec 5, 2018 -- 1:18PM, craner7 wrote:

Because it's true. You don't like Trump but try and put yourself in his shoes.....he's totally innocent of all this Russia garbage and you feel it's being done to wreck your presidency because the powers that be hated you being President....day after day for two years dealing with this. Now even digging into yrs of his business. The human reaction is to fight back . Now maybe it'll end up I've been fooled big time and he did work with Russia to affect the election but if he's right this has been pretty damn unfair ....right? I do hope he learns from HW and is more civil.



I don't like Trump because he refuses to rise above anything. I don't know if he colluded with Russia so I don't speak as a fact that he has. I think there was more then one shooter in the Kennedy assasination but I certainly don't know that as a fact. You present all of your opinions as if they are fact always leaving no room for discussion.


Perhaps the powers that be hate him being President because of the way he carries himself. I don't hate all of his policies but I hate him being President for that reason.




I think he is hated because he accomplished what Ross Perot couldn’t.  He was an outsider, not part of the political machine.  He was widely outspent and didn’t even burn much of his own money.  He played the press and used them, Joe Scarborough and his crew have to know they did more to get him elected than any political ads.  


There were so many opportunities for Trump to be destroyed politically and marginalized but he rode it all out by never admitting fault or apologizing.  To dispossessed voters it was refreshing seeing the same old contrived games fail.


I don’t like the man or respect him but to me he was better than Hillary and if you tune out the drama has been effective on policy.




I think there are valid points there. He won, he doesn't have to be so constantly angry and on the attack. I said I don't disagree with all of his policies and I have repeatedly said I don't like Hillary but I've gotten to the point where I can't stand the daily antagonism. The little petty arguments that a leader shouldn't be involved with, he's always involved with. Calm down, have a sense of humor and stop being so damn angry on a daily basis. Expand you base and stop turning off the moderate independent with the nonsense. To most Americans, every day is not about Donald Trump




I wish he would follow your thoughts New. I think it would make him more likeable. The one time he made fun of his hair I thought he should do more often. It made him more likeable. Admitting a fault. I get like Craner why he's ticked off because I think there is plenty of evidence they were looking to undermine him and wanted and expected Hillary to be elected but it gets tiring besides not being smart. 

9 months ago  ::  Dec 05, 2018 - 3:40PM #20
MajorYankFan
Posts: 32,868

Once again,  Man-Child Donnie comes up small....

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