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Tension at Bush funeral
9 months ago  ::  Dec 05, 2018 - 4:04PM #21
newinn
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Dec 5, 2018 -- 3:35PM, yank0428 wrote:


Dec 5, 2018 -- 1:59PM, newinn wrote:


Dec 5, 2018 -- 1:49PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Dec 5, 2018 -- 1:25PM, newinn wrote:


Dec 5, 2018 -- 1:18PM, craner7 wrote:

Because it's true. You don't like Trump but try and put yourself in his shoes.....he's totally innocent of all this Russia garbage and you feel it's being done to wreck your presidency because the powers that be hated you being President....day after day for two years dealing with this. Now even digging into yrs of his business. The human reaction is to fight back . Now maybe it'll end up I've been fooled big time and he did work with Russia to affect the election but if he's right this has been pretty damn unfair ....right? I do hope he learns from HW and is more civil.



I don't like Trump because he refuses to rise above anything. I don't know if he colluded with Russia so I don't speak as a fact that he has. I think there was more then one shooter in the Kennedy assasination but I certainly don't know that as a fact. You present all of your opinions as if they are fact always leaving no room for discussion.


Perhaps the powers that be hate him being President because of the way he carries himself. I don't hate all of his policies but I hate him being President for that reason.




I think he is hated because he accomplished what Ross Perot couldn’t.  He was an outsider, not part of the political machine.  He was widely outspent and didn’t even burn much of his own money.  He played the press and used them, Joe Scarborough and his crew have to know they did more to get him elected than any political ads.  


There were so many opportunities for Trump to be destroyed politically and marginalized but he rode it all out by never admitting fault or apologizing.  To dispossessed voters it was refreshing seeing the same old contrived games fail.


I don’t like the man or respect him but to me he was better than Hillary and if you tune out the drama has been effective on policy.




I think there are valid points there. He won, he doesn't have to be so constantly angry and on the attack. I said I don't disagree with all of his policies and I have repeatedly said I don't like Hillary but I've gotten to the point where I can't stand the daily antagonism. The little petty arguments that a leader shouldn't be involved with, he's always involved with. Calm down, have a sense of humor and stop being so damn angry on a daily basis. Expand you base and stop turning off the moderate independent with the nonsense. To most Americans, every day is not about Donald Trump




I wish he would follow your thoughts New. I think it would make him more likeable. The one time he made fun of his hair I thought he should do more often. It made him more likeable. Admitting a fault. I get like Craner why he's ticked off because I think there is plenty of evidence they were looking to undermine him and wanted and expected Hillary to be elected but it gets tiring besides not being smart. 




How great would it have been had he said to the ex Presidents today, "In honor of Pres. Bush, let's go back to the White House for a drink and talk some things out." I have come to agree with you though that he is just not capable. He's convinced that ever admitting fault is a sign of weakness. He won, he's the President, Hillary isn't. I would have hoped he would have grown into the position but it's just not in his DNA and why I seriously doubt I could ever support him

9 months ago  ::  Dec 05, 2018 - 4:27PM #22
craner7
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How about Bob Dole. He's also a WWII  hero seriously wounded who stood from his wheelchair with help from an aide to salute HW. Very touching moment . Loved speech by Alan Simpson and Bush the son. Very touching service.
9 months ago  ::  Dec 05, 2018 - 4:32PM #23
yank0428
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Dec 5, 2018 -- 4:27PM, craner7 wrote:

How about Bob Dole. He's also a WWII hero seriously wounded who stood from his wheelchair with help from an aide to salute HW. Very touching moment . Loved speech by Alan Simpson and Bush the son. Very touching service.



Always liked Bob Dole.Not many of the greatest generation left. Classy man.


All the speeches were good. When Simpson was walking up looking so frail I was thinking this was a mistake but he was very good.I think W is a better speaker now then when he was President. 

9 months ago  ::  Dec 05, 2018 - 5:49PM #24
2BBobby
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Dec 5, 2018 -- 2:21PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


The prospect of that scares me.  A primary challenge could really weaken and divide the party... 




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"I don’t like the man or respect him..."


Rather than a moderate Republican being elected in '20, you'd prefer a Trump second term.


I don't know how anyone could be more of a Trump supporter.





9 months ago  ::  Dec 05, 2018 - 5:58PM #25
yankoldfan
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The hard truth is donald is unqualified to be POTUS, he's morally unfit to be in office, besides that he's a crook, the only good thing about him becoming POTUS it's going to end up ruining him and his family and that's the only good thing that's going to come out of this complete disaster... I'll agree the media got him elected, he was the joke of the press, they never dreamed he would get elected, well is does show the bad side of news, but at least they are bringing out the bad now... All it shows is how the blind will indeed follow the blind... This man doanld has done more harm in less than two years than anyone has done in two terms... 

9 months ago  ::  Dec 05, 2018 - 6:09PM #26
2BBobby
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The suggestion that Trump is hated because he is an “outsider” may have a tiny bit of validity inside the political “establishment”, but it certainly doesn’t explain why he is viewed so negatively by a very large percentage of the American populace. Most people, including myself, would welcome an "outsider".


I absolutely despise Trump, and it has nothing at all to do with him being an “outsider”. 

9 months ago  ::  Dec 05, 2018 - 6:20PM #27
louisiana_lightning
Posts: 16,742

Dec 5, 2018 -- 5:49PM, 2BBobby wrote:


Dec 5, 2018 -- 2:21PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


The prospect of that scares me.  A primary challenge could really weaken and divide the party... 




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"I don’t like the man or respect him..."


Rather than a moderate Republican being elected in '20, you'd prefer a Trump second term.


I don't know how anyone could be more of a Trump supporter.




You are fantasizing, the only way that Trump doesn’t run is if he is ineligible to run.  Even if the perfect candidate primaries him it or Trump would end up a Bull Moose Ross Perot spoiler.  I would have a better chance winning the Power Ball than a Republican win.  If Trump were to lose the primary he would run 3rd Party and he would have enough support to be on the ballots. 

9 months ago  ::  Dec 05, 2018 - 6:31PM #28
yankoldfan
Posts: 7,802

Dec 5, 2018 -- 6:20PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Dec 5, 2018 -- 5:49PM, 2BBobby wrote:


Dec 5, 2018 -- 2:21PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


The prospect of that scares me.  A primary challenge could really weaken and divide the party... 




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


"I don’t like the man or respect him..."


Rather than a moderate Republican being elected in '20, you'd prefer a Trump second term.


I don't know how anyone could be more of a Trump supporter.




You are fantasizing, the only way that Trump doesn’t run is if he is ineligible to run.  Even if the perfect candidate primaries him it or Trump would end up a Bull Moose Ross Perot spoiler.  I would have a better chance winning the Power Ball than a Republican win.  If Trump were to lose the primary he would run 3rd Party and he would have enough support to be on the ballots. 




The only reason donald runs, and this is the only reason I can see him running, he knows if he's in the WH he thinks he controls his own fate... But I really think he'll be gone before his full term is up ?? The WH is his only protection ....

9 months ago  ::  Dec 05, 2018 - 6:34PM #29
2BBobby
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Dec 5, 2018 -- 6:20PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


You are fantasizing, the only way that Trump doesn’t run is if he is ineligible to run.  Even if the perfect candidate primaries him it or Trump would end up a Bull Moose Ross Perot spoiler.  I would have a better chance winning the Power Ball than a Republican win.  If Trump were to lose the primary he would run 3rd Party and he would have enough support to be on the ballots. 




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As much as you love to deflect and go off on tangents, your response has nothing at all to do with the scenario I presented, so let's start with that....


You'd prefer a Trump second term rather than a moderate Republican. Yes?

9 months ago  ::  Dec 05, 2018 - 6:39PM #30
louisiana_lightning
Posts: 16,742

Dec 5, 2018 -- 6:34PM, 2BBobby wrote:


Dec 5, 2018 -- 6:20PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


You are fantasizing, the only way that Trump doesn’t run is if he is ineligible to run.  Even if the perfect candidate primaries him it or Trump would end up a Bull Moose Ross Perot spoiler.  I would have a better chance winning the Power Ball than a Republican win.  If Trump were to lose the primary he would run 3rd Party and he would have enough support to be on the ballots. 




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As much as you love to deflect and go off on tangents, your response has nothing at all to do with the scenario I presented, so let's start with that....


You'd prefer a Trump second term rather than a moderate Republican. Yes?




I would prefer a fiscally conservative, socially liberal, constitutional Republican that can articulate the case for freedom.  I am also a realist, I accept unintended consequences and externalities.

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