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10 months ago  ::  Jan 11, 2019 - 11:56AM #91
louisiana_lightning
Posts: 17,159

Jan 11, 2019 -- 11:45AM, yankoldfan wrote:


Jan 11, 2019 -- 11:42AM, NW wrote:


Obama said families would be separated at the border.  Stop with the **** that he didn't do it.


www.facebook.com/SameVidOfLibs/?__tn__=k...




Do you believe everything you read on Face Book ?? I guess you do, after all the Russians did a lot of stuff on FB... 



Under Bush they made an exception and did not prosecutenrepeat offenders (border jumpers) if they were travelling with children.  Under Obama repeat offenders travelling with children were prosecuted thus the children were separated from their parents.  Under Trump the enactment of the “zero tolerance“ policy prosecuted all border humpers necessitating separations in all cases.

10 months ago  ::  Jan 11, 2019 - 12:00PM #92
yank0428
Posts: 17,425

Walls and barriers work. Just ask Jim Acosta.


nypost.com/2018/01/13/we-already-have-a-...


 An actual expert knows the dangers.


www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/obama-bo...

10 months ago  ::  Jan 11, 2019 - 12:00PM #93
2BBobby
Posts: 3,912

Jan 11, 2019 -- 11:37AM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Unless you are suggesting you pluck the older chickens and send them off to market with the unfertilized eggs to turn enough of a profit to cover your annual operating costs I don’t think your analogy works.




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I say we forget about trying to stop the brown chickens from crossing all together and let them fend for themselves once they've settled in their new home. In short time KFC will probably be able to market something new...Naturally Spicy Mestizochicks. Ummm...

10 months ago  ::  Jan 11, 2019 - 12:02PM #94
MajorYankFan
Posts: 32,868

Jan 11, 2019 -- 11:52AM, prof. quiz wrote:


Jan 11, 2019 -- 11:42AM, NW wrote:


Obama said families would be separated at the border.  Stop with the **** that he didn't do it.




FB? Really? Read this:


www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/201...





“Bush and Obama did not have policies that resulted in the mass separation of parents and children like we’re seeing under the current administration,” Sarah Pierce, a policy analyst with the Migration Policy Institute, told us.


Open Borders Donnie did have a policy to separate parents from their children.


The president and top administration officials say U.S. laws or court rulings are forcing them to separate families that are caught trying to cross the southern border.


These claims are false. Immigrant families are being separated primarily because the Trump administration in April began to prosecute as many border-crossing offenses as possible. This “zero-tolerance policy” applies to all adults, regardless of whether they cross alone or with their children.


www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker...


10 months ago  ::  Jan 11, 2019 - 12:12PM #95
louisiana_lightning
Posts: 17,159

Jan 11, 2019 -- 12:02PM, MajorYankFan wrote:


Jan 11, 2019 -- 11:52AM, prof. quiz wrote:


Jan 11, 2019 -- 11:42AM, NW wrote:


Obama said families would be separated at the border.  Stop with the **** that he didn't do it.




FB? Really? Read this:


www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/201...





“Bush and Obama did not have policies that resulted in the mass separation of parents and children like we’re seeing under the current administration,” Sarah Pierce, a policy analyst with the Migration Policy Institute, told us.


Open Borders Donnie did have a policy to separate parents from their children.


The president and top administration officials say U.S. laws or court rulings are forcing them to separate families that are caught trying to cross the southern border.


These claims are false. Immigrant families are being separated primarily because the Trump administration in April began to prosecute as many border-crossing offenses as possible. This “zero-tolerance policy” applies to all adults, regardless of whether they cross alone or with their children.


www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker...




I explained it below.  Bush was really the worst because his administration didn’t prosecute repeat Offenders with children which in my view is arbitrary and wrong. It incentivized illegally crossing with children.

10 months ago  ::  Jan 11, 2019 - 12:14PM #96
louisiana_lightning
Posts: 17,159

Jan 11, 2019 -- 12:00PM, 2BBobby wrote:


Jan 11, 2019 -- 11:37AM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Unless you are suggesting you pluck the older chickens and send them off to market with the unfertilized eggs to turn enough of a profit to cover your annual operating costs I don’t think your analogy works.




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I say we forget about trying to stop the brown chickens from crossing all together and let them fend for themselves once they've settled in their new home. In short time we'll probably be able to market something new...Naturally Spicy Mestizochicks. Ummm...




E-Verify and this whole thing is moot.

10 months ago  ::  Jan 11, 2019 - 12:15PM #97
Max
Posts: 42,830

Jan 10, 2019 -- 6:23PM, Based Boardroomjimmy wrote:


democrats would see the country driven off the side of the cliff than negotiate on border security. Trump should just come out and say medicare for all in exchange for his border security and immigration reform. Make them say no to that.




The Democrats already negotiated and approved money for border security for many years now. They didn't tell the House Cons in 2013 not to bring it up for a vote.


Also, if Trump said Medicare for all in exchange for his border security and immigration reform, the Democrats wouldn't get a chance to say no because the Cons would beat them to it. 

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10 months ago  ::  Jan 11, 2019 - 12:18PM #98
2BBobby
Posts: 3,912

Jan 11, 2019 -- 12:14PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


E-Verify and this whole thing is moot.




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10 months ago  ::  Jan 11, 2019 - 12:25PM #99
Max
Posts: 42,830

Jan 10, 2019 -- 7:25PM, yank0428 wrote:


Jan 10, 2019 -- 4:53PM, Max wrote:


Jan 10, 2019 -- 4:41PM, yank0428 wrote:


Jan 10, 2019 -- 4:21PM, craner7 wrote:

They didn't read your Washington Post article....not what they want to hear Yank



Doesn't fit the narrative. 


 Chris Cuomo doesn't either.


“He has his right to make the argument to the American people,” Cuomo responded. “And by the way, wanting barriers along the border is not propaganda. It’s not immoral. It’s not wrong.”


 The Dems and the lib media must be in a group chat by invite only. Love how they get the word for the day and all use it. Manufactered was the word for this.See it a;ll the time.  No debate. They are right and anybody who disagrees is ignorant.a racist or both . You can see it on here. The world we live in now.No debate.




I guess they forgot to send me the memo. What's the word of the day? I've seen the Cons get the word of the day from the Con crazy store many times when "Obamacare was getting shoved down their throats" "deep state" and "fake news" etc...


Who's against a secure border? If people don't want to be linked to racism they shouldn't make racist comments like Trump has made. Disagreements don't make anyone ignorant, just those people that believed Trump when he says that Mexico is going to pay for the wall." 




They change it up every few days. The other day it was immoral. Your in favor of the wall Max so your immoral. Dems say dumb things to.


 So because Trump didn't keep his promise his base is ignorant, Can the same be said for those who believed you could keep your doctor and your premiums wont go up?


 Have you heard what these new progressives have said along with some other dolts in the party who want to abolish ICE, support sanctuary cities and in favor of catch and release. I'd say they aren't  for a very secure border. They guestimate at the very least we have over 11 million people here illegally . How high does it have to go? It's insane already.


Trump the racist brought up giving citizenship to 1.8 dreamers. 


 Hers what some other racists said.


Chuck Schumer


“Illegal immigration is wrong, plain and simple. Until the American people are convinced that we will stop future flows of illegal immigration we will make no progress on dealing with the millions of illegals who are here now,” Schumer said.


Barak Obama who obviously was against the browning of America.


“We simply cannot allow people to pour into the U.S., undetected, undocumented, unchecked and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently, lawfully to become immigrants in this country” — 2005, Senator Barack Obama.


He sounds like Donald Trump, and throughout the years, a lot of Democrats have talked like that but when it comes down to doing something about it? Never, ever happens.




Obama owned up to what he said about people keeping their Dr. Did Trump? What Obama said was correct for over 90% of people. Is Mexico paying for over 90% of the wall? 


When Trump brought up 1.8 million immigrants, that was nothing but a bluff. Hence he backed out of that deal even though the Dems agreed to give him money for a wall. 


Obama unlike Trump and some in his base isn't against the browning of America because again unlike Trump, Obama didn't try to make it harder for immigrants to come here legally. So he and other Dems didn't and don't sound nothing like Trump.


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10 months ago  ::  Jan 11, 2019 - 12:35PM #100
Max
Posts: 42,830

Jan 11, 2019 -- 8:17AM, NW wrote:


Jan 10, 2019 -- 3:55PM, Max wrote:


Jan 10, 2019 -- 3:48PM, NW wrote:


Jan 10, 2019 -- 3:45PM, Max wrote:


Jan 10, 2019 -- 3:39PM, NW wrote:


Jan 10, 2019 -- 3:03PM, Max wrote:


Jan 10, 2019 -- 1:46PM, yank0428 wrote:


Jan 10, 2019 -- 1:02PM, Max wrote:


Jan 10, 2019 -- 10:50AM, craner7 wrote:

Democrats KNOW a barrier is needed in certain areas. But their hatred for Trump keeps them from doing what they should. President election next yr can't have Trump have his wall/barrier victory. Hope logical people see that . You trump haters won't




What victory can he declare? He promised many times that Mexico was going to pay for the wall. No matter how anyone wants to spin it, wall or no wall that's an epic failure by not keeping that promise.


The Democrats are for fencing in certain areas and I haven't heard one of them oppose a Tech-wall. But none of that has anything to do with Trump shutting down the government. 800,000 Federal workers and Farmers shouldn't be held hostage. Tarriffs are hurting Farmers and those same Framers are getting screwed again because they aren't getting their tariff relief checks. 




I'd  lve to hear Pelosi or Schumer say they would agree to a Tech wall. Never happen.




Pelosi: Good evening. I appreciate the opportunity to speak directly to the American people tonight about how we can end this shutdown and meet the needs of the American people.


Sadly, much of what we have heard from President Trump throughout this senseless shutdown has been full of misinformation and even malice.


The President has chosen fear. We want to start with the facts.


The fact is: On the very first day of this Congress, House Democrats passed Senate Republican legislation to re-open government and fund smart, effective border security solutions.


But the President is rejecting these bipartisan bills which would re-open government – over his obsession with forcing American taxpayers to waste billions of dollars on an expensive and ineffective wall – a wall he always promised Mexico would pay for!



He promised to keep government shutdown for 'months or years' – no matter whom it hurts. That's just plain wrong.


The fact is: We all agree we need to secure our borders, while honoring our values: we can build the infrastructure and roads at our ports of entry; we can install new technology to scan cars and trucks for drugs coming into our nation; we can hire the personnel we need to facilitate trade and immigration at the border; we can fund more innovation to detect unauthorized crossings.


The fact is: the women and children at the border are not a security threat, they are a humanitarian challenge – a challenge that President Trump's own cruel and counterproductive policies have only deepened.


And the fact is: President Trump must stop holding the American people hostage, must stop manufacturing a crisis, and must re-open the government.


Thank you.




She conveniently left out the building of a wall at places where it is needed and that has already been approved by Congress.




She addressed everything that was relevant. 




Relevant in your mind.  I think our national security is relevant and a wall is part of that security, as passed in bipartisan legislation.  Until she moves from her "not one penny" stance, there will be no agreement and the DemocRATS shouldn't be calling our national security irrelevant.




Get lost. Relevant as in regards to what had to be addressed at the time. Go seek attention somewhere else. 




Typical Demonrat response.  We don't like your opinion so it shouldn't be heard.




Typical Con BS response as usual. Next time don't try to put words in my mouth and you won't get that kind of response

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