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8 months ago  ::  Jan 10, 2019 - 4:36PM #51
Max
Posts: 42,830

Jan 10, 2019 -- 4:14PM, yank0428 wrote:


Jan 10, 2019 -- 3:51PM, Max wrote:


Jan 10, 2019 -- 3:45PM, yank0428 wrote:


Jan 10, 2019 -- 3:42PM, Max wrote:


Jan 10, 2019 -- 1:52PM, yank0428 wrote:


Jan 10, 2019 -- 1:05PM, Max wrote:


Jan 10, 2019 -- 11:36AM, bertram wrote:


Jan 10, 2019 -- 11:20AM, craner7 wrote:

Exactly NW. And Oppose Trump Always Bobby of course it's only for certain areas. Also this was the main issue he ran he is very passionate about border security. He is sincere



Come off it!  Trump is a xenophobe and a bigot.  He long ago made it obvious who the "bad illegals" are and who the "good illegals" are.  The good ones are the ones he can exploit in his businesses.




As proof he's also making it harder for people to legally apply for US citizenship. I guess he wants to change the rules being people from Europe aren't coming here by the boatloads anymore. It's obvious to anyone that is paying attention that he and some in his base want to slow down the eventual browning of America. 




Always comes back to race. What color was Officer Singh? Can't have enough people like him come here. Legally and for the right reasons. 


To anyone paying attention is that most Americans want people to come here legally but for some reason Dems try to make it about race.




It comes down to race when it's called for. I could show past posts on here that say so much. But I don't want to embarrass anyone. Trump's words on the subject is further proof.


I'm paying attention and what I see is that those other people that are paying too much attention to Fox News don't seem to realize that immigrants that are coming here seeking asylum are doing so legally even if they are coming here in a caravan. 




Overwelming majority are coming for work which isn't grounds for asylum. 


Illegal immigration is wrong, plain and simple. Until the American people are convinced that we will stop future flows of illegal immigration we will make no progress on dealing with the millions of illegals who are here now,




The Trump made up national emergency is using those people coming here legally seeking asylum to fear monger by making up spit like they have sicknesses etc. Illegal immigration is wrong and the majority in both parties have been trying to address that. But a shutdown isn't the way to do it. It's not the Dems fault that the Cons that controlled the House didn't bring a vote on the immigration bill that both parties in the Senate passed and the same bill Obama was willing to sign.   




We don't even know how many illegals are here. We can't even count them. The Washington Post said it was an emergency. This is peoples opinion. One side says it's not the other says it is. How many die every year from heroin overdoes and all the fentanyl coming in.  It's a serious issue that never gets addressed. Both sides are at fault and have been for a long time. I get why Trump is doing this. He wants to force them to address it or it will be the same old story.


We simply cannot allow people to pour into the U.S., undetected, undocumented, unchecked and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently, lawfully to become immigrants in this country




Two writers in the Washington Post called it a crisis. There are other articles in the W-Post that depute that claim. The House Cons that failed to bring the bill up for a vote in 2013 are at fault. So most in both parties have tried to address the issue way before Trump became POTUS.


Trump also turned down money for the wall last year in return for a path to citizenship for 1.7 immigrants.


Sorry, but I don't agree with shutting down the government because innocent workers shouldn't be caught in the middle of a political policy disagreement. Open the government, then negotiate. That's the way it used to be, before the Cons started pulling these shutdown stunts. 

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8 months ago  ::  Jan 10, 2019 - 4:39PM #52
Max
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Jan 10, 2019 -- 4:21PM, craner7 wrote:

They didn't read your Washington Post article....not what they want to hear Yank





Don't speak for me. I read it, did you? That wasn't exaclty a pro Trump/Pro shutdown article. 

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8 months ago  ::  Jan 10, 2019 - 4:41PM #53
yank0428
Posts: 17,302

Jan 10, 2019 -- 4:21PM, craner7 wrote:

They didn't read your Washington Post article....not what they want to hear Yank



Doesn't fit the narrative. 


 Chris Cuomo doesn't either.


“He has his right to make the argument to the American people,” Cuomo responded. “And by the way, wanting barriers along the border is not propaganda. It’s not immoral. It’s not wrong.”


 The Dems and the lib media must be in a group chat by invite only. Love how they get the word for the day and all use it. Manufactered was the word for this.See it a;ll the time.  No debate. They are right and anybody who disagrees is ignorant.a racist or both . You can see it on here. The world we live in now.No debate.

8 months ago  ::  Jan 10, 2019 - 4:43PM #54
Max
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Jan 10, 2019 -- 4:19PM, craner7 wrote:

Don't see one freeking thing from you antitrumpers addressing the 180 reversal from democrats on the border issue. They sounded JUST LIKE TRUMP not long ago the hypocrisy is eye popping . Sadly people who do not follow politics like us don't know that. Tech wall? Like a high tech electric fence? That would hurt kids. So what the hell is it? Something to notify agents illegals have already crossed? Damn it...the president wants to stop a lot of bad stuff coming here illegally give him the money !!!! Democrats are the children here and I hope they pay for it. The people trying to protect our border support the president that should be enough!l!! And stop the here we go again RACISM BS





What you call BS is real. If people don't want to be linked to racism then they shouldn't make comments like Trump has made about immigrants.


And no the Dems have never sounded like Trump. He wants a wall without any give and take. That's why he turned down money for a wall last year.


Another example that the Dems never sounded like Trump is that they NEVER promised that Mexico would pay for a wall. 


So tell me. Where are the pesos? 


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8 months ago  ::  Jan 10, 2019 - 4:44PM #55
MajorYankFan
Posts: 32,868

Jan 10, 2019 -- 4:22PM, 2BBobby wrote:


Jan 10, 2019 -- 4:19PM, craner7 wrote:


Sadly people who do not follow politics...




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You should be thankful for the people who do not follow politics. That's where the bulk of Trump's support comes from.




Crooked Donnie said it best about his base.......


Image result for trump i love uneducated gif


His dumb-as-they-come base are the only ones


stupid enough to conflate Open Borders Donnie's


blatant bigotry and his one-demensional plan


for some extra wall construction as being tough on


national security.  Then it is insane how his base


completely overlooks his history of hiring undocumented


workers and temporary foreign workers.  Open


Borders Donnie is not part of solution to illegal


immigration, he is part of the problem

8 months ago  ::  Jan 10, 2019 - 4:44PM #56
yank0428
Posts: 17,302

Jan 10, 2019 -- 4:39PM, Max wrote:


Jan 10, 2019 -- 4:21PM, craner7 wrote:

They didn't read your Washington Post article....not what they want to hear Yank





Don't speak for me. I read it, did you? That wasn't exaclty a pro Trump/Pro shutdown article. 




No it wasn't but it also said it was bona fide emergency.

8 months ago  ::  Jan 10, 2019 - 4:52PM #57
craner7
Posts: 23,298
It's hopeless here anyway. They are locked in with Schumer and Pelosi no matter what.

Just open the govt and we'll negotiate the wall/barrier.   I hope Trump knows what absolute bullspit  that is ....Shame on them for deception.
8 months ago  ::  Jan 10, 2019 - 4:53PM #58
Max
Posts: 42,830

Jan 10, 2019 -- 4:41PM, yank0428 wrote:


Jan 10, 2019 -- 4:21PM, craner7 wrote:

They didn't read your Washington Post article....not what they want to hear Yank



Doesn't fit the narrative. 


 Chris Cuomo doesn't either.


“He has his right to make the argument to the American people,” Cuomo responded. “And by the way, wanting barriers along the border is not propaganda. It’s not immoral. It’s not wrong.”


 The Dems and the lib media must be in a group chat by invite only. Love how they get the word for the day and all use it. Manufactered was the word for this.See it a;ll the time.  No debate. They are right and anybody who disagrees is ignorant.a racist or both . You can see it on here. The world we live in now.No debate.




I guess they forgot to send me the memo. What's the word of the day? I've seen the Cons get the word of the day from the Con crazy store many times when "Obamacare was getting shoved down their throats" "deep state" and "fake news" etc...


Who's against a secure border? If people don't want to be linked to racism they shouldn't make racist comments like Trump has made. Disagreements don't make anyone ignorant, just those people that believed Trump when he says that Mexico is going to pay for the wall." 

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8 months ago  ::  Jan 10, 2019 - 4:53PM #59
2BBobby
Posts: 3,912

Jan 10, 2019 -- 4:44PM, MajorYankFan wrote:


His dumb-as-they-come base are the only ones


stupid enough to conflate Open Borders Donnie's


blatant bigotry and his one-demensional plan


for some extra wall construction as being tough on


national security.  Then it is insane how his base


completely overlooks his history of hiring undocumented


workers and temporary foreign workers.  Open


Borders Donnie is not part of solution to illegal


immigration, he is part of the problem




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He's a master salesman, and his base is a salesman's wet dream.


8 months ago  ::  Jan 10, 2019 - 5:03PM #60
craner7
Posts: 23,298
Sad to say but really think if war broke out with Russia or China some here like Bobby who will dump close friends if they support Trump.....would hope for American loses to blame Trump that's how illogically wrong some democrats hatred has become. To not support a barrier where especially needed because Trump wants it shows their ridiculous hatred.
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