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Who will budge first?
7 months ago  ::  Jan 10, 2019 - 9:36AM #1
NW
Posts: 13,163
After Trump's lackluster speech and Pelosi and Schumer refusing to negotiate, we are again at an impasse.  Payday is coming up and 25% of federal employees will not be receiving a check.  Farmers will not be receiving needed money to continue to feed this country.  To hell with the bond rating and debt ceiling issue in March, this will come to a head long before then.

The people are going to demand that the shutdown end.  Right now, the country is split as to who to blame for the shutdown (with Congress and Trump both getting numbers over 50%) but when saying who is "most" responsible, Trump is getting the lion's share of the blame.  Once the shutdown starts to effect the way the country operates, rather than just some federal workers, the people are going to go to someone and demand a fix.  I think it will be the Republican Congressmen who blink first and it will essentially end their ability to get anything done for the next 2 years.

This whole situation is unfortunate.  They're arguing over than less than 1% of the federal budget and there is middle ground that both Republicans and Democrats agreed upon as little as 2 years ago.  Both parties and Trump would be ok with a partial wall with some other agreements and the American people would be happy too.  The problem is that both parties are now trying to posture for a way out where the opponent can't claim they "won".
7 months ago  ::  Jan 10, 2019 - 9:43AM #2
yankoldfan
Posts: 7,382

I pray the Dem. hold their ground, giving into this bully would be the biggest mistake in history... He said he'd own up to the shutdown, he said Mexico would pay for the wall, the hell doesn't the cons understand about those things donald said ?? His whole administration has been a lie, and they still want to keep the lying up and give into a man that's never kept his word, not even once...


I wouldn't give an inch if I were the congress, not one damn inch... If the R. don't care about the people, let them bear the results...

7 months ago  ::  Jan 10, 2019 - 10:08AM #3
2BBobby
Posts: 3,912

Jan 10, 2019 -- 9:36AM, NW wrote:




...the problem is that both parties are now trying to posture for a way out where the opponent can't claim they "won".


They're arguing over than less than 1% of the federal budget...




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Trump is an incredibly insecure individual with an insatiable ego that needs to be constantly fed. Anything that will allow him to say he "won" will satisfy him, and also encourage his behavior moving forward. We'll never hear the end of it...but hopefully that'll only last another 2 years.


As for "arguing over than less than 1% of the federal budget"...I thought "conservatives" strongly opposed spending on needless projects. You seem willing to spend $5B to satisfy the ego of a petulant child. That money could be put to better use.


7 months ago  ::  Jan 10, 2019 - 10:13AM #4
bertram
Posts: 8,669

Jan 10, 2019 -- 10:08AM, 2BBobby wrote:


Jan 10, 2019 -- 9:36AM, NW wrote:




...the problem is that both parties are now trying to posture for a way out where the opponent can't claim they "won".


They're arguing over than less than 1% of the federal budget...




~~~~~~~~~


Trump is an incredibly insecure individual with an insatiable ego that needs to be constantly fed. Anything that will allow him to say he "won" will satisfy him, and also encourage his behavior moving forward. We'll never hear the end of it...but hopefully that'll only last another 2 years.


As for "arguing over than less than 1% of the federal budget"...I thought "conservatives" strongly opposed spending on needless projects. You seem willing to spend $5B to satisfy the ego of a petulant child. That money could be put to better use.





Exactly!

7 months ago  ::  Jan 10, 2019 - 10:15AM #5
newinn
Posts: 32,986

Jan 10, 2019 -- 10:08AM, 2BBobby wrote:


Jan 10, 2019 -- 9:36AM, NW wrote:




...the problem is that both parties are now trying to posture for a way out where the opponent can't claim they "won".


They're arguing over than less than 1% of the federal budget...




~~~~~~~~~


Trump is an incredibly insecure individual with an insatiable ego that needs to be constantly fed. Anything that will allow him to say he "won" will satisfy him, and also encourage his behavior moving forward. We'll never hear the end of it...but hopefully that'll only last another 2 years.


As for "arguing over than less than 1% of the federal budget"...I thought "conservatives" strongly opposed spending on needless projects. You seem willing to spend $5B to satisfy the ego of a petulant child. That money could be put to better use.





nailed it again Bobby.

7 months ago  ::  Jan 10, 2019 - 10:34AM #6
NW
Posts: 13,163

Jan 10, 2019 -- 10:08AM, 2BBobby wrote:


Jan 10, 2019 -- 9:36AM, NW wrote:




...the problem is that both parties are now trying to posture for a way out where the opponent can't claim they "won".


They're arguing over than less than 1% of the federal budget...




~~~~~~~~~


Trump is an incredibly insecure individual with an insatiable ego that needs to be constantly fed. Anything that will allow him to say he "won" will satisfy him, and also encourage his behavior moving forward. We'll never hear the end of it...but hopefully that'll only last another 2 years.


As for "arguing over than less than 1% of the federal budget"...I thought "conservatives" strongly opposed spending on needless projects. You seem willing to spend $5B to satisfy the ego of a petulant child. That money could be put to better use.





I don't agree that it's a "needless project".  I do agree that a 2000 mile wall may not be needed but a wall is needed in certain locations.  It has worked in several locations and other locations have been identified as needing a physical barrier.  If the Democrats came to the floor with a plan that included a wall in places where everyone agrees that it is needed, then I think there could be a compromise.

7 months ago  ::  Jan 10, 2019 - 10:50AM #7
craner7
Posts: 23,298
Democrats KNOW a barrier is needed in certain areas. But their hatred for Trump keeps them from doing what they should. President election next yr can't have Trump have his wall/barrier victory. Hope logical people see that . You trump haters won't
7 months ago  ::  Jan 10, 2019 - 11:03AM #8
2BBobby
Posts: 3,912

Jan 10, 2019 -- 10:34AM, NW wrote:


I don't agree that it's a "needless project".  I do agree that a 2000 mile wall may not be needed but a wall is needed in certain locations.  It has worked in several locations and other locations have been identified as needing a physical barrier.  If the Democrats came to the floor with a plan that included a wall in places where everyone agrees that it is needed, then I think there could be a compromise.




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How about if Trump came forward and acknowledged that a 2000 mile wall isn't needed, and both sides agreed to funding repair of existing barriers and construction of others "where everyone agrees they're needed". He could do that right now, and end this ridiculous shutdown.


Do you think his ego would allow him to do that?



***BTW...do you think that'd satisfy his base?

7 months ago  ::  Jan 10, 2019 - 11:05AM #9
2BBobby
Posts: 3,912

Jan 10, 2019 -- 10:50AM, craner7 wrote:

Democrats KNOW a barrier is needed in certain areas.



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"...in certain areas..."


Sounds like you've changed your tune substantially.

7 months ago  ::  Jan 10, 2019 - 11:13AM #10
NW
Posts: 13,163

Jan 10, 2019 -- 10:50AM, craner7 wrote:

Democrats KNOW a barrier is needed in certain areas. But their hatred for Trump keeps them from doing what they should. President election next yr can't have Trump have his wall/barrier victory. Hope logical people see that . You trump haters won't



They know that if they give in on what they know is needed, Trump will claim it as a win.  They're playing/praying that when the people force an end to the shutdown, that the Republicans/Trump will blink first and they'll fail our nation's security.  Likewise, the Republicans see no other option than to hope the Democrats are pushed back to the negotiating table by their constituents.  It's sad that neither side is no longer fighting for a principle or for $5B, they're fighting over the next election cycle and who could claim to be the "winner".  With all of this posturing, we're all losers.  


I have been calling the White House and my legislators daily with the same plea.  Go to the table with a plan that includes a wall in areas where there is already bipartisan legislation approving a wall.  Get that passed and built and then go from there in the future.  This idea that both parties are holding the government hostage simply because they want to be the "winner" is disgusting.

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