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1 year ago  ::  Jan 12, 2019 - 11:37AM #101
Kmer2
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Jan 12, 2019 -- 11:19AM, RobS44 wrote:


Jan 12, 2019 -- 12:18AM, davis2 wrote:


Jan 11, 2019 -- 12:48PM, 2BBobby wrote:


Jan 11, 2019 -- 12:47PM, bigjeep8 wrote:


We are getting older with every passing day!




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And yet some are willing to sign Machado to age 36.



He will be a good player then, but you shouldn't care, it isn't your money.




Ah, Davis, but it IS your money.  Every dollar of revenue the Yankees take in ultimately comes from the fans who purchase tickets, concessions, merchandise, pay for parking, pay cable TV fees, subscribe to MLB.TV and indirectly by having to sit thru all the ads.  So while it is your money, only Hal gets to determine how much he will spend on putting the best possible on the field team and how much he and his family will pocket.


George had a lot of faults, but putting the profit margin over winning wasn't one of them.  Clearly Hal isn't a win at all costs owner.




Wow!!  I agree 100%  About two weeks ago, I was drawn into a looooong discussion over this with EVERYONE in the discussion group arguing against me on this.


Hal is NOT his father, and George must be rolling over in his grave over this new "austerity" plan.



Plus...if you look at the numbers, which I have posted on here in other threads, the Yankees are at the very BOTTOM of the payroll scale vs. revenues taken in.



Lower even than the Marlins.



In 2004, the Yankees had a player payroll of about $226 million. We all know this. But it was against revenues of about $300 million, and the partners enjoyed record profits then.



In 2017, the Yankees had recored revenues, over $630 million, and last season, while not posted yet, the expected number was north of $700 million.



This means that by LOWERING their payroll, as they continue to do annually (while the coming season is not yet set), they are pocketing more, and more of the money we spend to enjoy this team, while RAISING costs across the board!



My wifge and I went to a specific game last summer where we spent almost $700.00 on tickets alone, and two Heinekens cost mke about $30.00



We spent close to $1000 dollars that day alone, two people, one game, mid level seats.



My choice to go, njo doubt, but I am simply pointing out that while we are being told that the team is showing financial restarint, the real message is this:



You will NOT get the best team. We are NOT going to spend what it takes to bring them in, and you will swallow, and believe the things we tell you about the Yankees being a "Fully operational Death-Star".



Well, when does this actually happen?



Perhaps Harper is still a part of the plan, and boy, do I hope so!



But the yankees are not, and likely never will be again, the team that will "Win at all, and any cost"

kmer2

Kyle Merritt
Member since 2002
1 year ago  ::  Jan 12, 2019 - 12:18PM #102
2BBobby
Posts: 3,912

Jan 12, 2019 -- 11:19AM, RobS44 wrote:


Ah, Davis, but it IS your money.  Every dollar of revenue the Yankees take in ultimately comes from the fans who purchase tickets, concessions, merchandise, pay for parking, pay cable TV fees, subscribe to MLB.TV and indirectly by having to sit thru all the ads.  So while it is your money, only Hal gets to determine how much he will spend on putting the best possible on the field team and how much he and his family will pocket.


George had a lot of faults, but putting the profit margin over winning wasn't one of them.  Clearly Hal isn't a win at all costs owner.




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Once a dollar passes from my hand to yours it is no longer mine. It is yours, to spend as you please.


As for payroll in relation to revenue...as has been pointed out here, the Yanks have a very young team which translates to a low payroll. The payroll for the starting 7 (not including Stanton) is approx. $15M...total. Where should Yanks be spending more?

1 year ago  ::  Jan 12, 2019 - 12:24PM #103
RobS44
Posts: 5,608


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And yet some are willing to sign Machado to age 36.


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He will be a good player then, but you shouldn't care, it isn't your money.


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Ah, Davis, but it IS your money.  Every dollar of revenue the Yankees take in ultimately comes from the fans who purchase tickets, concessions, merchandise, pay for parking, pay cable TV fees, subscribe to MLB.TV and indirectly by having to sit thru all the ads.  So while it is your money, only Hal gets to determine how much he will spend on putting the best possible on the field team and how much he and his family will pocket.


George had a lot of faults, but putting the profit margin over winning wasn't one of them.  Clearly Hal isn't a win at all costs owner.


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Wow!!  I agree 100%  About two weeks ago, I was drawn into a looooong discussion over this with EVERYONE in the discussion group arguing against me on this.


Hal is NOT his father, and George must be rolling over in his grave over this new "austerity" plan.



Plus...if you look at the numbers, which I have posted on here in other threads, the Yankees are at the very BOTTOM of the payroll scale vs. revenues taken in.



Lower even than the Marlins.



In 2004, the Yankees had a player payroll of about $226 million. We all know this. But it was against revenues of about $300 million, and the partners enjoyed record profits then.



In 2017, the Yankees had recored revenues, over $630 million, and last season, while not posted yet, the expected number was north of $700 million.



This means that by LOWERING their payroll, as they continue to do annually (while the coming season is not yet set), they are pocketing more, and more of the money we spend to enjoy this team, while RAISING costs across the board!



My wifge and I went to a specific game last summer where we spent almost $700.00 on tickets alone, and two Heinekens cost mke about $30.00



We spent close to $1000 dollars that day alone, two people, one game, mid level seats.



My choice to go, njo doubt, but I am simply pointing out that while we are being told that the team is showing financial restarint, the real message is this:



You will NOT get the best team. We are NOT going to spend what it takes to bring them in, and you will swallow, and believe the things we tell you about the Yankees being a "Fully operational Death-Star".



Well, when does this actually happen?



Perhaps Harper is still a part of the plan, and boy, do I hope so!



But the yankees are not, and likely never will be again, the team that will "Win at all, and any cost"


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Years go there was a study that suggested that for NFL teams the most profitable business model was to make the playoffs every year but NOT win the Super Bowl because winning the SB usually led to demansds for big raises and good players leaving for more lucrative contracts eleswhere. Now the NFL and MLB are very different in that the NFL has a salary cap and the biggest chunk of a team's revenue comes from the shared TV money which is independent of the W-L record.


If you look at MLB team revenue, clearly the size of the market affects it.  But so does W-L records.  If you look at the revenue levels, who has the highest revenues? Teams that currently most often make the playoffs, Yankees, Dodgers, Cubs, Red Sox, Giants, Astros, etc.  Now this may be a chicken or egg phenomenon.  Do the teams that have the most revenue make the playoffs most often because they have the most revenue or do they have the most revenue because they most often make the playoffs? 


We've seen that Yankee attendance and revenue fall when they are not legitimate play off contenders and rise when they are.


This is a long winded way of saying that I believe that if they were to sign Harper and/or Machado AND if he/they perform as expected, Yankee revenue would rise more than enough to offset the cost of his/their contract(s).

1 year ago  ::  Jan 12, 2019 - 12:28PM #104
Kmer2
Posts: 95

Jan 12, 2019 -- 12:18PM, 2BBobby wrote:


Jan 12, 2019 -- 11:19AM, RobS44 wrote:


Ah, Davis, but it IS your money.  Every dollar of revenue the Yankees take in ultimately comes from the fans who purchase tickets, concessions, merchandise, pay for parking, pay cable TV fees, subscribe to MLB.TV and indirectly by having to sit thru all the ads.  So while it is your money, only Hal gets to determine how much he will spend on putting the best possible on the field team and how much he and his family will pocket.


George had a lot of faults, but putting the profit margin over winning wasn't one of them.  Clearly Hal isn't a win at all costs owner.




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Once a dollar passes from my hand to yours it is no longer mine. It is yours, to spend as you please.


As for payroll in relation to revenue...as has been pointed out here, the Yanks have a very young team which translates to a low payroll. The payroll for the starting 7 (not including Stanton) is approx. $15M...total. Where should Yanks be spending more?





Well...personally...I have been following a string of stories regarding Manny Machado/Bryce Harper/Patrick Corbin



Due to the "Austerity Plan"....I have noticed that the Yankees as presently constituted do not employ these three players.



Nor did they make any attempt at Brantley who would have been an ideal fit.



As for the "7" not including Stanton, you may not realize this but you are helping me to make my point.



There can be NO doubt that Tulowitzki would NOT be here if the Jays were not paying the $38 million. The Yanks would no doubt stayed far away were it not for this, enabling them to sell us that they have "addressed" their infield situation.



LeMahieu (Who I like tremendously) is a part of the equation.



$24 million for him at $12 million a year.



With neither of these two, would the Yankees be engaging Machado a bit more aggressively?



Who has replaced Robertson?



Come on...really??



They have been reducing payroll for years now.



There are still dozens and dozens of message strings here on these boards alone regarding the  decisions to re-sign Happ, as we were fed Corbin for months, going back to last summer.



There is just too much available to possibly begin posting all of it.



The Yankees are just a different organization today than they were 14 years ago, and whether or not a dollar passes from one hand to another not being mine ( do not even begin to understand the relevance), the Yankees enjoy premium prices, record revenues and profits, and do not strive to "win at all costs" anymore.

kmer2

Kyle Merritt
Member since 2002
1 year ago  ::  Jan 12, 2019 - 12:44PM #105
2BBobby
Posts: 3,912

Jan 12, 2019 -- 12:28PM, Kmer2 wrote:


Well...personally...I have been following a string of stories regarding Manny Machado/Bryce Harper/Patrick Corbin


Due to the "Austerity Plan"....I have noticed that the Yankees as presently constituted do not employ these three players.


Nor did they make any attempt at Brantley who would have been an ideal fit.


Come on...really??


They have been reducing payroll for years now.


There are still dozens and dozens of message strings here on these boards alone regarding the  decisions to re-sign Happ, as we were fed Corbin for months, going back to last summer.


There is just too much available to possibly begin posting all of it.


The Yankees are just a different organization today than they were 14 years ago, and whether or not a dollar passes from one hand to another not being mine ( do not even begin to understand the relevance), the Yankees enjoy premium prices, record revenues and profits, and do not strive to "win at all costs" anymore.




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First of all, anyone making the case that players should be getting a much bigger piece of the pie to me is preaching to the choir. I'm absolutely in favor of that, and it'll have to be addressed in the CBA.


As for signing big money FAs...I would love to see them sign Harper; although that would create somewhat of a problem in the OF, unless you expect Harper to cover CF. Machado? No...and it has nothing to do with money. I think Andujar has the potential to become an All Star. They made what I feel was a reasonable offer to Corbin...he turned it down. Do you think Yanks should've upped the offer to exceed what he received from Nats?


There are multiple factors which play into signing FAs, including length of contract which can end up really crippling a team. I've said several times...I don't care about the money, it's not mine. I do care about length of contract. 


So again...where do you want Yanks to spend more money? 

1 year ago  ::  Jan 12, 2019 - 12:47PM #106
Kmer2
Posts: 95

Jan 12, 2019 -- 12:44PM, 2BBobby wrote:


Jan 12, 2019 -- 12:28PM, Kmer2 wrote:


Well...personally...I have been following a string of stories regarding Manny Machado/Bryce Harper/Patrick Corbin


Due to the "Austerity Plan"....I have noticed that the Yankees as presently constituted do not employ these three players.


Nor did they make any attempt at Brantley who would have been an ideal fit.


Come on...really??


They have been reducing payroll for years now.


There are still dozens and dozens of message strings here on these boards alone regarding the  decisions to re-sign Happ, as we were fed Corbin for months, going back to last summer.


There is just too much available to possibly begin posting all of it.


The Yankees are just a different organization today than they were 14 years ago, and whether or not a dollar passes from one hand to another not being mine ( do not even begin to understand the relevance), the Yankees enjoy premium prices, record revenues and profits, and do not strive to "win at all costs" anymore.




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First of all, anyone making the case that players should be getting a much bigger piece of the pie to me is preaching to the choir. I'm absolutely in favor of that, and it'll have to be addressed in the CBA.


As for signing big money FAs...I would love to see them sign Harper; although that would create somewhat of a problem in the OF, unless you expect Harper to cover CF. Machado? No...and it has nothing to do with money. I think Andujar has the potential to become an All Star. They made what I feel was a reasonable offer to Corbin...he turned it down. Do you think Yanks should've upped the offer to exceed what he received from Nats?


There are multiple factors which play into signing FAs, including length of contract which can end up really crippling a team. I've said several times...I don't care about the money, it's not mine. I do care about length of contract. 


So again...where do you want Yanks to spend more money? 





They never made an offer to Corbin.

kmer2

Kyle Merritt
Member since 2002
1 year ago  ::  Jan 12, 2019 - 12:50PM #107
Kmer2
Posts: 95

Jan 12, 2019 -- 12:47PM, Kmer2 wrote:


Jan 12, 2019 -- 12:44PM, 2BBobby wrote:


Jan 12, 2019 -- 12:28PM, Kmer2 wrote:


Well...personally...I have been following a string of stories regarding Manny Machado/Bryce Harper/Patrick Corbin


Due to the "Austerity Plan"....I have noticed that the Yankees as presently constituted do not employ these three players.


Nor did they make any attempt at Brantley who would have been an ideal fit.


Come on...really??


They have been reducing payroll for years now.


There are still dozens and dozens of message strings here on these boards alone regarding the  decisions to re-sign Happ, as we were fed Corbin for months, going back to last summer.


There is just too much available to possibly begin posting all of it.


The Yankees are just a different organization today than they were 14 years ago, and whether or not a dollar passes from one hand to another not being mine ( do not even begin to understand the relevance), the Yankees enjoy premium prices, record revenues and profits, and do not strive to "win at all costs" anymore.




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First of all, anyone making the case that players should be getting a much bigger piece of the pie to me is preaching to the choir. I'm absolutely in favor of that, and it'll have to be addressed in the CBA.


As for signing big money FAs...I would love to see them sign Harper; although that would create somewhat of a problem in the OF, unless you expect Harper to cover CF. Machado? No...and it has nothing to do with money. I think Andujar has the potential to become an All Star. They made what I feel was a reasonable offer to Corbin...he turned it down. Do you think Yanks should've upped the offer to exceed what he received from Nats?


There are multiple factors which play into signing FAs, including length of contract which can end up really crippling a team. I've said several times...I don't care about the money, it's not mine. I do care about length of contract. 


So again...where do you want Yanks to spend more money? 





They never made an offer to Corbin.





You might have missed where I mentioned Brantley.



We do need a LH OF at present.



Harper would be fine in left or right.



An OF of Judge/Hicks/Harper would be just dandy.



And they still have not replaced Robertson.



MAchado would make the Yankees better.



I cannot even begin to have a discussion with anyone who does not realize this.



I like Andujar too, but currently, he as far as the metrics and stats say, he cost them a couple of games with his defense last summer, and he was benched for a few post season games for defensive reasons.



Machado would not have missed a single inning for defensive purposes.



There is so uch more to this:



Didi will be 30 coming back off major surgery, if he comes back at all next season, and is then a FA after that.



Bird??  Do not even get me started there. HE has been one of the very worst offensive players in all MLB for two years now, and does not have anywhere near an above average glove, and is actually on par with Andujar defensively.



Voit?? Great debut in September, and I pray he can do it all summer long but there is not yet a proven firstbaseman on this team.



There are currently question marks/holes at:



1B


SS


Bullpen


Rotation


OF (unless Frazier is recovered and ready to go. I have read that they "want" him to win the LF job and Gardner would be the 4th OF'er)


Harper would likely be a better bet than Frazier, and I believe that most anyone would saY the same. That would have erased the OF questions.


MAchado would have erased 1B off this list as Andujar slides over there (at least on paper presently...he could have been traded for a TOR pitcher) or MAchado residdes at SS and Andujar begins season at 3B and everyone waits until Didi returns. And remember...Yankees have been awfully hesitant to engage FA's at Didi's age for the big $$$$ that he will surely be looking for.



There may be a whole lot to be upset about, but then again, in a "perfect world"...key word being "perfect" all of these question marks answer themselves and there are no injuries. This is what most would call a "fairy tale world"



I am a Yankee fan though, and I will watch all summer and hope for the best.

kmer2

Kyle Merritt
Member since 2002
1 year ago  ::  Jan 12, 2019 - 1:21PM #108
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Jan 12, 2019 -- 12:50PM, Kmer2 wrote:


Jan 12, 2019 -- 12:47PM, Kmer2 wrote:


Jan 12, 2019 -- 12:44PM, 2BBobby wrote:


Jan 12, 2019 -- 12:28PM, Kmer2 wrote:


Well...personally...I have been following a string of stories regarding Manny Machado/Bryce Harper/Patrick Corbin


Due to the "Austerity Plan"....I have noticed that the Yankees as presently constituted do not employ these three players.


Nor did they make any attempt at Brantley who would have been an ideal fit.


Come on...really??


They have been reducing payroll for years now.


There are still dozens and dozens of message strings here on these boards alone regarding the  decisions to re-sign Happ, as we were fed Corbin for months, going back to last summer.


There is just too much available to possibly begin posting all of it.


The Yankees are just a different organization today than they were 14 years ago, and whether or not a dollar passes from one hand to another not being mine ( do not even begin to understand the relevance), the Yankees enjoy premium prices, record revenues and profits, and do not strive to "win at all costs" anymore.




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


First of all, anyone making the case that players should be getting a much bigger piece of the pie to me is preaching to the choir. I'm absolutely in favor of that, and it'll have to be addressed in the CBA.


As for signing big money FAs...I would love to see them sign Harper; although that would create somewhat of a problem in the OF, unless you expect Harper to cover CF. Machado? No...and it has nothing to do with money. I think Andujar has the potential to become an All Star. They made what I feel was a reasonable offer to Corbin...he turned it down. Do you think Yanks should've upped the offer to exceed what he received from Nats?


There are multiple factors which play into signing FAs, including length of contract which can end up really crippling a team. I've said several times...I don't care about the money, it's not mine. I do care about length of contract. 


So again...where do you want Yanks to spend more money? 





They never made an offer to Corbin.





You might have missed where I mentioned Brantley.



We do need a LH OF at present.



Harper would be fine in left or right.



An OF of Judge/Hicks/Harper would be just dandy.



And they still have not replaced Robertson.



MAchado would make the Yankees better.



I cannot even begin to have a discussion with anyone who does not realize this.



I like Andujar too, but currently, he as far as the metrics and stats say, he cost them a couple of games with his defense last summer, and he did sit out a post season game for defensive reasons.



Brantley would have been a great add but they signed Gardner.  Yankees can't seem to get away from this guy.


Machado & Harper make this team better yes.




To ME the Yankees are not better then Boston right now Boston lost one one BP guy.  So I don't see the Yankees better



Machado would nt have.





1 year ago  ::  Jan 12, 2019 - 1:24PM #109
2BBobby
Posts: 3,912

Jan 12, 2019 -- 12:50PM, Kmer2 wrote:






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"They never made an offer to Corbin."


I believe it was reported they had, or at least were prepared to before they learned the details of the Nats offer, which they chose not to match.


Do you believe they should've offered 6 years $140M?


You might have missed where I mentioned Brantley. We do need a LH OF at present.


Do you believe the reason Yanks didn't pursue Brantley was due to money? Because, they just committed $24M for a UT IF.


Harper would be fine in left or right.


Judge is the RF. You don't move him from there for several reasons, primarily his arm. Stanton's in LF. I suppose you could have rotating DH of Judge, Stanton, Harper.


An OF of Judge/Hicks/Harper would be just dandy.


So...Stanton full time DH?


And they still have not replaced Robertson.


Who would you like to see them sign as his replacement?


MAchado would make the Yankees better. I cannot even begin to have a discussion with anyone who does not realize this.


Then don't.


I like Andujar too, but currently, he as far as the metrics and stats say, he cost them a couple of games with his defense last summer, and he did sit out a post season game for defensive reasons. Machado would nt have.


OK...you're in favor of replacing Andujar. I'm not.




1 year ago  ::  Jan 12, 2019 - 1:38PM #110
Kmer2
Posts: 95

Jan 12, 2019 -- 1:24PM, 2BBobby wrote:


Jan 12, 2019 -- 12:50PM, Kmer2 wrote:






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"They never made an offer to Corbin."


I believe it was reported they had, or at least were prepared to before they learned the details of the Nats offer, which they chose not to match.


Do you believe they should've offered 6 years $140M?


You might have missed where I mentioned Brantley. We do need a LH OF at present.


Do you believe the reason Yanks didn't pursue Brantley was due to money? Because, they just committed $24M for a UT IF.


Harper would be fine in left or right.


Judge is the RF. You don't move him from there for several reasons, primarily his arm. Stanton's in LF. I suppose you could have rotating DH of Judge, Stanton, Harper.


An OF of Judge/Hicks/Harper would be just dandy.


So...Stanton full time DH?


And they still have not replaced Robertson.


Who would you like to see them sign as his replacement?


MAchado would make the Yankees better. I cannot even begin to have a discussion with anyone who does not realize this.


Then don't.


I like Andujar too, but currently, he as far as the metrics and stats say, he cost them a couple of games with his defense last summer, and he did sit out a post season game for defensive reasons. Machado would nt have.


OK...you're in favor of replacing Andujar. I'm not.








Bobby..if they NEVER made an offer to Corbin, they NEVER made an offer. It is as simple as that. They walked away from the pitcher that was forced down our throats for months.



I am not in favor of losing Andujar but is there really any sort of possible comparison, or debate between who is better, Andujar vs. Machado?/ And the whole point of this discussion is that the Yankees are not spending $$  You questioned where. Thye appear to have walked away from Machado over $$  This would NEVER have happened under GEorge's watch. I do not believe that anyone would debate this.



You engaged me on where they should be spending $$$  If you did not want the discussion,, then why begin it in the first place??  It was all about Machado and Harper and the $$$ to begin with.



You wrote  "Then don't"  I do not understand.



Stanton played almost 90 games as the DH, and almost every game played in the OF came AFTER Judge was hurt.



Stanton is the DH, not a regular OF'er on this team.



At this point, anyone would be a replacement for Robertson, but since they dragged their heels a bit, Ottavino is only viable candidate to replace Robertson still on the market.



I am sorry Bobby but this discussion went off the rails.

kmer2

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