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Mussina on cusp of Hall of Fame
12 months ago  ::  Jan 18, 2019 - 12:59PM #1
JonahFalcon
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At 80% with 180 votes in. He could actually make it, which is surprising for someone with less than 300 wins (270) and only one 20 W season.
12 months ago  ::  Jan 18, 2019 - 1:20PM #2
bomberhojoe
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Mussina should get in. He "only" has 270 wins, but 117 more wins than losses. Only 11 HOF pitchers have a higher winning percentage than Mussina (.638). And Mussina has more wins than 42 current HOF pitchers. He deserves this.

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12 months ago  ::  Jan 18, 2019 - 1:27PM #3
_YaNkEeFaN4LiFe_
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He deserves it and I am not shocked. One of the best AL pitchers in the steroids era and especially in the AL East. 3.68 career ERA when you pitched in the AL East in the early 90s all the way to late 2000s for 18 years is remarkeable.

12 months ago  ::  Jan 18, 2019 - 1:28PM #4
1956yanks
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I do not think it is surprising.  300 wins will soon be a thing of the past (if it isn't already).  He pitched at a high level for many years in the toughest division in the game and pitched to many known steroid users.  His numbers spreak for themselves, I wish he would have been on the 2009 team, I think he deserved a ring.

12 months ago  ::  Jan 18, 2019 - 9:23PM #5
JonahFalcon
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I know Curt Schilling is probably rooting for Mussina to get in, because he has the same general stats.

12 months ago  ::  Jan 19, 2019 - 3:41AM #6
qwik3457
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Jan 18, 2019 -- 9:23PM, JonahFalcon wrote:


I know Curt Schilling is probably rooting for Mussina to get in, because he has the same general stats.




And a vastly better postseason record. Mussina has a good postseason record, but Schilling's is one of the best of all time.

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12 months ago  ::  Jan 19, 2019 - 7:31AM #7
bomberhojoe
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Mussina is 50 games over .500 better than Schilking. While Schilling may have been better in the postseason,  Mussina was much better in the regular season.
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12 months ago  ::  Jan 19, 2019 - 10:47AM #8
bruner4329
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Mussina pitched his entire career in the AL East and he never benefitted from pitching in the NL to the weaker line ups.

12 months ago  ::  Jan 19, 2019 - 12:25PM #9
qwik3457
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Jan 19, 2019 -- 7:31AM, bomberhojoe wrote:

Mussina is 50 games over .500 better than Schilking. While Schilling may have been better in the postseason, Mussina was much better in the regular season.



Actually, it's 45 more games over, as a starter. 


Mussina also started 100 more games than Schilling.


Their pitching bWAR are nearly identical, despite Mussina having about 1.6 more bWAR, but 100 more starts and more than 300 more career innings. 


In his career, Schilling pitched for teams that were an aggregate 42 games over .500, or averaged about 82-83 wins a year. In fact, before being traded to the Diamondbacks, Schilling pitched for only a couple of teams that were over .500. Some of the teams he pitched for were almost 30 games under .500. Mussina pitched on teams that were an aggregate 314 over .500, or averaged about 90 wins a year. He only pitched for two teams there were under .500 and never pitched for a team that was 10 games or more under .500. A large part of that 45 over .500 is due to the fact that until he got to Arizona, Schilling was pitching for bad teams, while Mussina almost never pitched with a bad team around him.


They're both Hall of Famers. Let's leave it at that.

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12 months ago  ::  Jan 19, 2019 - 12:29PM #10
qwik3457
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Jan 19, 2019 -- 10:47AM, bruner4329 wrote:


Mussina pitched his entire career in the AL East and he never benefitted from pitching in the NL to the weaker line ups.




ERA+ adjusts ERA for both ballpark and league context. Schilling's career ERA+ is 127, Mussina's is 123.


His ERA may have benefitted from pitching in the NL, but his teams were also NL teams, so they hit in the NL, and he got weaker run support, weaker certainly than Mussina got, as Mussina pitched for good-to-great teams in all but three of his 18 seasons. In fact, checking Baseball Refernce, Schilling got 4.7 runs of support per start in his career, which is pretty good, but Mussina got 5.3 runs per start in his career, and that's outstanding support.


Oh, and while Mussina average 6.7 innings a start in his starts, which is excellent, Schilling avaeraged 7.1 innings a start, which is outstanding. Especially when you consider that over two-thirds of Schilling's starts were in the NL without the DH, whereas all of Mussina's starts were in the AL, which has the DH, which means that in far more starts, Mussina could stay in more games in which his team was losing.

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