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Setting the Yankees rotation
8 months ago  ::  Feb 02, 2019 - 10:13AM #1
CarolinaNYY
Posts: 68
Assuming no trades or signings, and the 5 starters are Paxton, Happ, Severino, Tanaka and CC.  How would you set the rotation if it were up to you?


Here is how I would set it and the reasons why.

No. 1:  Paxton --  They traded for him in the hopes he can stay healthy and be a legitimate ace so lets get right to work to proving the theory.

No. 2:   Tanaka --  I trust the exeprience.

No. 3:  Happ--  I think you will see my plan involves a lefty-righy mix so I slot Happ into this spot.

No. 4:  Severino--  I still think he can be a legit ace, but honestly, I think putting him at the 4 is a good position for him to releive the pressure, and I love having a high velocity guy after Happ and before:

No. 5:  CC--  The easiest guy to slot as I just dont see any other spot that makes sense.

So my rotation is a left hander with ace potential, an experienced right hander, a solid lefy going 3rd, a potential ace as the number 4 (which is a pretty awesome advantage early on) and a solid number 5 to finish things out.

I imagine most people will think I have Severino too low and I get that.  But I just dont see a lot of downside to taking some pressure off the youngest guy and hopefully he pitches himself to a much higher position as the year goes on...
8 months ago  ::  Feb 02, 2019 - 11:22AM #2
qimqam
Posts: 469

Feb 2, 2019 -- 10:13AM, CarolinaNYY wrote:

Assuming no trades or signings, and the 5 starters are Paxton, Happ, Severino, Tanaka and CC.  How would you set the rotation if it were up to you?


Here is how I would set it and the reasons why.

No. 1:  Paxton --  They traded for him in the hopes he can stay healthy and be a legitimate ace so lets get right to work to proving the theory.

No. 2:   Tanaka --  I trust the exeprience.

No. 3:  Happ--  I think you will see my plan involves a lefty-righy mix so I slot Happ into this spot.

No. 4:  Severino--  I still think he can be a legit ace, but honestly, I think putting him at the 4 is a good position for him to releive the pressure, and I love having a high velocity guy after Happ and before:

No. 5:  CC--  The easiest guy to slot as I just dont see any other spot that makes sense.

So my rotation is a left hander with ace potential, an experienced right hander, a solid lefy going 3rd, a potential ace as the number 4 (which is a pretty awesome advantage early on) and a solid number 5 to finish things out.

I imagine most people will think I have Severino too low and I get that.  But I just dont see a lot of downside to taking some pressure off the youngest guy and hopefully he pitches himself to a much higher position as the year goes on...



I think you switch Severino and Tanaka ...No sense giving the older Tanaka an xtra start and xtra innings on his more fragile arm.


Also no need to smack down Severino's confidence by dropping him from 1 to 4 in the rotation ...that could backfire castrophically

8 months ago  ::  Feb 02, 2019 - 11:25AM #3
louisiana_lightning
Posts: 17,013

I don't think the order matters too much except CC 5th so he can be skipped for extra rest with some off days.  It would be shocking and create drama on the back pages if Severino doesn't pitch opening day.

8 months ago  ::  Feb 02, 2019 - 11:26AM #4
louisiana_lightning
Posts: 17,013

Feb 2, 2019 -- 11:22AM, qimqam wrote:


Feb 2, 2019 -- 10:13AM, CarolinaNYY wrote:

Assuming no trades or signings, and the 5 starters are Paxton, Happ, Severino, Tanaka and CC.  How would you set the rotation if it were up to you?


Here is how I would set it and the reasons why.

No. 1:  Paxton --  They traded for him in the hopes he can stay healthy and be a legitimate ace so lets get right to work to proving the theory.

No. 2:   Tanaka --  I trust the exeprience.

No. 3:  Happ--  I think you will see my plan involves a lefty-righy mix so I slot Happ into this spot.

No. 4:  Severino--  I still think he can be a legit ace, but honestly, I think putting him at the 4 is a good position for him to releive the pressure, and I love having a high velocity guy after Happ and before:

No. 5:  CC--  The easiest guy to slot as I just dont see any other spot that makes sense.

So my rotation is a left hander with ace potential, an experienced right hander, a solid lefy going 3rd, a potential ace as the number 4 (which is a pretty awesome advantage early on) and a solid number 5 to finish things out.

I imagine most people will think I have Severino too low and I get that.  But I just dont see a lot of downside to taking some pressure off the youngest guy and hopefully he pitches himself to a much higher position as the year goes on...



I think you switch Severino and Tanaka ...No sense giving the older Tanaka an xtra start and xtra innings on his more fragile arm.


Also no need to smack down Severino's confidence by dropping him from 1 to 4 in the rotation ...that could backfire castrophically





That makes sense and Tanaka does better with extra rest.

8 months ago  ::  Feb 02, 2019 - 11:33AM #5
nost
Posts: 324

Honest they should go to a six man rotation with CC beingh number 6.  What they should do or still try to do is sign a 200+ innings guy or anoter true # 2 to slot in between Pax and Luis then this team would be sick!  



Everyone get a extra day off, maybe Louie won't get tired.  TO me CC was a waste of a signing but if they go to a 6 man rotation then it would be fine.  

8 months ago  ::  Feb 02, 2019 - 11:49AM #6
louisiana_lightning
Posts: 17,013

Feb 2, 2019 -- 11:33AM, nost wrote:


Honest they should go to a six man rotation with CC beingh number 6.  What they should do or still try to do is sign a 200+ innings guy or anoter true # 2 to slot in between Pax and Luis then this team would be sick!  



Everyone get a extra day off, maybe Louie won't get tired.  TO me CC was a waste of a signing but if they go to a 6 man rotation then it would be fine.  




You mean a previously 200 inning guy because if you have a 6 man rotation even if CC only gets 17 starts a pitcher would have to average 7 innings to achieve 200 innings.  No starters averaged that many innings in the majors last year, especially not on a team with a bullpen like ours.

8 months ago  ::  Feb 02, 2019 - 2:20PM #7
nost
Posts: 324

Feb 2, 2019 -- 11:49AM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Feb 2, 2019 -- 11:33AM, nost wrote:


Honest they should go to a six man rotation with CC beingh number 6.  What they should do or still try to do is sign a 200+ innings guy or anoter true # 2 to slot in between Pax and Luis then this team would be sick!  



Everyone get a extra day off, maybe Louie won't get tired.  TO me CC was a waste of a signing but if they go to a 6 man rotation then it would be fine.  




You mean a previously 200 inning guy because if you have a 6 man rotation even if CC only gets 17 starts a pitcher would have to average 7 innings to achieve 200 innings.  No starters averaged that many innings in the majors last year, especially not on a team with a bullpen like ours.





I don't like CC as a #5 and the only way to make this current rotation better is by getting another starter.  I'm not looking for another Cc or anoter 8-8 guy slot in someone if they can that can win 15 games.  Then I'll like Cc as a 6th starter or a spot starter to give guys a extra day.  Right now they have a Bartolo Colon on their hands W a number 5.  


Let's not even mention if one of their starters goes down where they will be at.  Injuries do happen.

8 months ago  ::  Feb 02, 2019 - 3:36PM #8
7mick7
Posts: 49

Feb 2, 2019 -- 2:20PM, nost wrote:


Feb 2, 2019 -- 11:49AM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Feb 2, 2019 -- 11:33AM, nost wrote:


Honest they should go to a six man rotation with CC beingh number 6.  What they should do or still try to do is sign a 200+ innings guy or anoter true # 2 to slot in between Pax and Luis then this team would be sick!  



Everyone get a extra day off, maybe Louie won't get tired.  TO me CC was a waste of a signing but if they go to a 6 man rotation then it would be fine.  




You mean a previously 200 inning guy because if you have a 6 man rotation even if CC only gets 17 starts a pitcher would have to average 7 innings to achieve 200 innings.  No starters averaged that many innings in the majors last year, especially not on a team with a bullpen like ours.



 


You're serioulsy comparing CC to Bartolo Colon? Based on what?



I don't like CC as a #5 and the only way to make this current rotation better is by getting another starter.  I'm not looking for another Cc or anoter 8-8 guy slot in someone if they can that can win 15 games.  Then I'll like Cc as a 6th starter or a spot starter to give guys a extra day.  Right now they have a Bartolo Colon on their hands W a number 5.  


Let's not even mention if one of their starters goes down where they will be at.  Injuries do happen.




You're serioulsy comparing CC to Bartolo Colon? Based on what? You honestly think you are going to get 15 wins out of a bottom of the rotation pitcher. I would say your expectations are way to high. Since CC reinevented himself following the 2015 season he is more than an formiable #5. Not many (if any) have a 5th starter that has pitched to the tune of a 3.77 ERA over their last 86 starts. I think realistically if you get 12 wins from your #5 starter you are way ahead of the game and if CC gets his ussually 29-30 starts he could achieve that.

8 months ago  ::  Feb 02, 2019 - 5:31PM #9
thestraw44
Posts: 974

Feb 2, 2019 -- 11:22AM, qimqam wrote:


Feb 2, 2019 -- 10:13AM, CarolinaNYY wrote:

Assuming no trades or signings, and the 5 starters are Paxton, Happ, Severino, Tanaka and CC.  How would you set the rotation if it were up to you?


Here is how I would set it and the reasons why.

No. 1:  Paxton --  They traded for him in the hopes he can stay healthy and be a legitimate ace so lets get right to work to proving the theory.

No. 2:   Tanaka --  I trust the exeprience.

No. 3:  Happ--  I think you will see my plan involves a lefty-righy mix so I slot Happ into this spot.

No. 4:  Severino--  I still think he can be a legit ace, but honestly, I think putting him at the 4 is a good position for him to releive the pressure, and I love having a high velocity guy after Happ and before:

No. 5:  CC--  The easiest guy to slot as I just dont see any other spot that makes sense.

So my rotation is a left hander with ace potential, an experienced right hander, a solid lefy going 3rd, a potential ace as the number 4 (which is a pretty awesome advantage early on) and a solid number 5 to finish things out.

I imagine most people will think I have Severino too low and I get that.  But I just dont see a lot of downside to taking some pressure off the youngest guy and hopefully he pitches himself to a much higher position as the year goes on...



I think you switch Severino and Tanaka ...No sense giving the older Tanaka an xtra start and xtra innings on his more fragile arm.


Also no need to smack down Severino's confidence by dropping him from 1 to 4 in the rotation ...that could backfire castrophically




This! I’m also all for Paxton as the number #1 like Carolina suggests. IMO, the ninja needs to put up or shut up here by slotting him in that one hole and show his conviction behind that trade. My guess is that he will put him #2 (after calling him an ace Undecided). The Gambler is so full of it! Paxton won’t last to the All Star break.

8 months ago  ::  Feb 02, 2019 - 8:25PM #10
CarolinaNYY
Posts: 68


You're serioulsy comparing CC to Bartolo Colon? Based on what? You honestly think you are going to get 15 wins out of a bottom of the rotation pitcher. I would say your expectations are way to high. Since CC reinevented himself following the 2015 season he is more than an formiable #5. Not many (if any) have a 5th starter that has pitched to the tune of a 3.77 ERA over their last 86 starts. I think realistically if you get 12 wins from your #5 starter you are way ahead of the game and if CC gets his ussually 29-30 starts he could achieve that.


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I will take that a step further.  The way baseball is right now, it is hard to get 15 wins out of ANY starting pitcher, bottom of the rotation or otherwise.


In the past 6 seasons thae Yankees have had ONE starting pitcher win more than 14 games, last season when Severino won 19.  Before that, you have to go back to the 2012 season to find any Yankee starter with more than 14 wins.



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