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Aaron Judge: I’d change positions to make Bryce Harper a Yankee
8 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2019 - 2:05PM #11
Paterson
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Feb 5, 2019 -- 2:02PM, LiferYank wrote:


Feb 5, 2019 -- 1:55PM, Paterson wrote:


 


     What do you think Aaron Hicks is thinking when he reads that ?





I think Hicks realizes he is not a Harper like player.




    If I told you that Hicks had WAR of 4.7 last year compared to Harper's 1.3 how surprised would you be ? I was when l looked it up.

8 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2019 - 2:26PM #12
felipe27point5
Posts: 2,246

Players also really really want to win a world series, and Harper would help Hicks do that


Feb 5, 2019 -- 2:04PM, Paterson wrote:



    I think Hicks would be annoyed if the thought Judge was campaigning for Harper. Hicks must be hoping for his own payday next year and Haprer would kill that.






You are welcome to recall my posts when it becomes that i'm proven wrong as long as we judge it on the merits of what we knew to be true at the time it was posted.
8 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2019 - 2:34PM #13
qimqam
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Feb 5, 2019 -- 2:05PM, Paterson wrote:


Feb 5, 2019 -- 2:02PM, LiferYank wrote:


Feb 5, 2019 -- 1:55PM, Paterson wrote:


 


     What do you think Aaron Hicks is thinking when he reads that ?





I think Hicks realizes he is not a Harper like player.




    If I told you that Hicks had WAR of 4.7 last year compared to Harper's 1.3 how surprised would you be ? I was when l looked it up.




Now ask yourself who you would rather have and the answer is ... WAR is a dumb stat.

8 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2019 - 2:35PM #14
yank0428
Posts: 17,349

Feb 5, 2019 -- 2:05PM, Paterson wrote:


Feb 5, 2019 -- 2:02PM, LiferYank wrote:


Feb 5, 2019 -- 1:55PM, Paterson wrote:


 


     What do you think Aaron Hicks is thinking when he reads that ?





I think Hicks realizes he is not a Harper like player.




    If I told you that Hicks had WAR of 4.7 last year compared to Harper's 1.3 how surprised would you be ? I was when l looked it up.




Pat we know Hicks isn't close to the talent Harper is. He's a better fielder. Thats it. 


 I don't care what Hicks thinks about it. He's replaceable. 


 

8 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2019 - 2:36PM #15
yank0428
Posts: 17,349

Feb 5, 2019 -- 1:33PM, njyf wrote:


Does Judge not understand that if the Yankees spend big on Machado and Harper then they will not have the money to spend on him when he hits free agency?




Judge will get paid when it's his time. He wont be going anywhere. The Yanks would be smart to lock him up sooner rather then later.

8 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2019 - 2:42PM #16
njyf
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Feb 5, 2019 -- 1:54PM, felipe27point5 wrote:


Like how they replaced Headley with Andujar and Castro with Torres? CC will be replaced from within the farm system, and we're talking several years out in some of those cases so who knows what the farm could produce in that time. Did anybody 4 years ago foresee Gleyber Torres being our starting 2B? Of course not, because he wasn't even in our organization


Additionally. acquiring via trade - such as they did with didi - means you're acquiring comparatively inexpensive players. Paxton is making less than all those guys i mentioned, and guys like Ellsbury won'tneed to be replaced because they already have. 


Feb 5, 2019 -- 1:49PM, njyf wrote:


And all those coming off the books will need to be replaced by others and with the Yankees, it certainly wouldn't be with cheap players. They'd be likely to be replaced by other high priced free agents.






You make it sound like Andujars and Torres' grow on trees. Even with Andujar as great as he was, there's talk of getting rid of him and signing Machado so yes, the Yankees are not likely to replace departures with prospects. Their system has taken a hit the last couple of years.

8 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2019 - 2:45PM #17
LiferYank
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Feb 5, 2019 -- 2:05PM, Paterson wrote:


Feb 5, 2019 -- 2:02PM, LiferYank wrote:


Feb 5, 2019 -- 1:55PM, Paterson wrote:


 


     What do you think Aaron Hicks is thinking when he reads that ?





I think Hicks realizes he is not a Harper like player.




    If I told you that Hicks had WAR of 4.7 last year compared to Harper's 1.3 how surprised would you be ? I was when l looked it up.





I use this site


www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1... Shows him at 3.5


www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=5... Hicks as 4.9



Signing Harper you are looking at the potential of his 2015 season...



Hicks best year by far was last year.



If somehow they can make that Ellsbury trade with the Giants it makes sense to sign Harper. You could rotate him or Stanton or heck Judge at the DH with Hicks mainly playing CF.


8 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2019 - 2:47PM #18
felipe27point5
Posts: 2,246

For their careers, Harper is a 27.4 WAR and Hicks is 10.6. Even if you adjust for the fact Harper has played significantly more games, that would make him a 17.5 WAR player compared with 10.6


So in other words, according to WAR, Harper is significantly better than Hicks. It's not a dumb stat, you just don't know how to apply it or how it works (or doesn't)



Feb 5, 2019 -- 2:34PM, qimqam wrote:



Now ask yourself who you would rather have and the answer is ... WAR is a dumb stat.





You are welcome to recall my posts when it becomes that i'm proven wrong as long as we judge it on the merits of what we knew to be true at the time it was posted.
8 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2019 - 2:49PM #19
maplebats
Posts: 831

Add Aaron Judge to the enormous list of people who know that Harper is a perfect fit that fills a gaping hole in this lineup. It would be a shame for baseball and baseball fans for a player the caliber of Harper to end up on a team not in a major media market like San Diego or Philadelphia. To paraphrase Colonel Jessep, baseball wants Harper on the Yankees and needs Harper on the Yankees but Hal can't handle the truth!

8 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2019 - 2:54PM #20
felipe27point5
Posts: 2,246

They don't grow on trees, but your "they're the Yankees, they'll go the FA route" isn't accurate because they haven't really done much in free agency dating back a number of years. Who are these big name free agents they're bidding on? Who is the last big free agent they acquired? Neil Walker? It's really since 2013/2014 when they had the big offseason with tanaka, ellsbury, etc, but since then they've mostly added via trade, or paid out to retain players they've already had traded for (Chapman, Happ, Britton, etc). 


Think about how they've been addressing those kinds of needs the last few years. Trading for Hicks (as a 4th OF), trading for Didi, trading for Drury - getting cost controlled players with some service time, but not hitting a big payday in arbitration. 



Additionally, the comment was in the context of "they can afford to add those players because money is coming off in the future". Obviously if they add machado and/or harper those would be positions that wouldn't need to be replaced with more expensive options


Feb 5, 2019 -- 2:42PM, njyf wrote:



You make it sound like Andujars and Torres' grow on trees. Even with Andujar as great as he was, there's talk of getting rid of him and signing Machado so yes, the Yankees are not likely to replace departures with prospects. Their system has taken a hit the last couple of years.





You are welcome to recall my posts when it becomes that i'm proven wrong as long as we judge it on the merits of what we knew to be true at the time it was posted.
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