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Aaron Judge: I’d change positions to make Bryce Harper a Yankee
8 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2019 - 3:28PM #21
qimqam
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Feb 5, 2019 -- 2:47PM, felipe27point5 wrote:


For their careers, Harper is a 27.4 WAR and Hicks is 10.6. Even if you adjust for the fact Harper has played significantly more games, that would make him a 17.5 WAR player compared with 10.6


So in other words, according to WAR, Harper is significantly better than Hicks. It's not a dumb stat, you just don't know how to apply it or how it works (or doesn't)



Feb 5, 2019 -- 2:34PM, qimqam wrote:



Now ask yourself who you would rather have and the answer is ... WAR is a dumb stat.









I would take Harper and his lower WAR last season over Hicks and his higher WAR last season and do you know why ???


Because WAR is a dumb stat.




8 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2019 - 3:43PM #22
bomberhojoe
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Feb 5, 2019 -- 2:05PM, Paterson wrote:


Feb 5, 2019 -- 2:02PM, LiferYank wrote:


Feb 5, 2019 -- 1:55PM, Paterson wrote:


 


     What do you think Aaron Hicks is thinking when he reads that ?





I think Hicks realizes he is not a Harper like player.




    If I told you that Hicks had WAR of 4.7 last year compared to Harper's 1.3 how surprised would you be ? I was when l looked it up.




WAR, huh, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing.



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8 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2019 - 3:44PM #23
felipe27point5
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it'd be tough to say for sure without having watched harper much last year. Where he lost his value was because he had an inordinate pathetic season defensively. Apparently baseball-reference puts more emphasis on that than fangraphs does, but even looking at the advanced metrics like defensive runs saved he was negative, and really negative at that.


So maybe he had a bad luck season and chalk it up to poor positioning, or maybe he just let a lot of balls fall that should have been caught. But we know that hicks is a strong outfielder, so on the aggregate he helped the Yankees more than Harper helped the Nationals


Besides, Harper's offensive value came from his crazy high walk totals. He had a poor season in many ways, batting .214 into the allstar break. It took a crazy strong second half to get him to be "okay now it's better offense than Aaron Hicks". if we're combining that with bad defense, give me hicks' season over harper. 


But for their careers, Harper is a better player, he just didn't have a very great season. Batting average, slugging, OPS - all below career average 


Feb 5, 2019 -- 3:28PM, qimqam wrote:


I would take Harper and his lower WAR last season over Hicks and his higher WAR last season and do you know why ???


Because WAR is a dumb stat.





You are welcome to recall my posts when it becomes that i'm proven wrong as long as we judge it on the merits of what we knew to be true at the time it was posted.
8 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2019 - 3:45PM #24
maplebats
Posts: 831

Feb 5, 2019 -- 2:54PM, felipe27point5 wrote:


You make it sound like Andujars and Torres' grow on trees. Even with Andujar as great as he was, there's talk of getting rid of him and signing Machado so yes, the Yankees are not likely to replace departures with prospects. Their system has taken a hit the last couple of years.




Agreed. That's why I believe that acquiring Machado is an absurd idea if it means Andujar will be traded away. The basic principle of a rebuild is to start by focusing on improving everything about the farm system from scouting to development (Yankees did that), develop your prospects in a timely manner such that those prospects are MLB-ready within the the same two or three year period (Yankees did that), allow some years to observe those rookies at the major league level to determine strengths and weaknesses in the roster (Yankees are in the process of doing that), and then use trades and free agency to fill out the roster with complementary veterans (Yankees need to do that). Andujar is a strength. It makes no sense to trade away a solid and minimum-wage rookie for an extremely expensive veteran. Not having lefty power is a weakness. It makes most sense to slot the free agent lefty Harper in between the righties Judge and Stanton.

8 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2019 - 4:27PM #25
nost
Posts: 324

Hals deaf what's the point

8 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2019 - 4:29PM #26
louisiana_lightning
Posts: 16,971
It’s a nice gesture on Judge’s part but let’s get real.  Harper was a defensive liability for the Nationals in his walk year.  He is not playing RF here.
8 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2019 - 5:25PM #27
yankoldfan
Posts: 7,949

Feb 5, 2019 -- 4:29PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:

It’s a nice gesture on Judge’s part but let’s get real. Harper was a defensive liability for the Nationals in his walk year. He is not playing RF here.



Harper didn't have a good year last year, especially the first half, I do give some of that to playing for a new contract... Some players let that walk year wear on them, so go out and have the best of their career, I for one think Harpers was a tough year just because of the contract he was looking for ?? Just my two cents... I personally would like him over Machado, he does us more good in many ways...

8 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2019 - 5:42PM #28
tnyank
Posts: 146
I don’t care what Hicks WAR was. He sucks. Flat out couldn’t hit water if he fell out of a boat in the ocean. Dude never comes thru in the clutch. His hits are basically meaningless most of the time. Use him as a trade chip and let some other team over value him and give him a big pay day.
8 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2019 - 6:11PM #29
Paterson
Posts: 6,369

Feb 5, 2019 -- 2:45PM, LiferYank wrote:


Feb 5, 2019 -- 2:05PM, Paterson wrote:


Feb 5, 2019 -- 2:02PM, LiferYank wrote:


Feb 5, 2019 -- 1:55PM, Paterson wrote:


 


     What do you think Aaron Hicks is thinking when he reads that ?





I think Hicks realizes he is not a Harper like player.




    If I told you that Hicks had WAR of 4.7 last year compared to Harper's 1.3 how surprised would you be ? I was when l looked it up.





I use this site


www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1... Shows him at 3.5


www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=5... Hicks as 4.9



Signing Harper you are looking at the potential of his 2015 season...



Hicks best year by far was last year.



If somehow they can make that Ellsbury trade with the Giants it makes sense to sign Harper. You could rotate him or Stanton or heck Judge at the DH with Hicks mainly playing CF.





    I took the Harper number from: 
www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/har...


   The only way the Yankees make the Ellsbury trade is if they take on an equivalent salary...so signing Harper still ups the payroll by $30 M or so. I'd love to have a big left handed bat in the lineup, but the only way to add Harper would be to send Stanton home to California. 


  


    

8 months ago  ::  Feb 05, 2019 - 7:03PM #30
hampfan
Posts: 3,454

Feb 5, 2019 -- 6:11PM, Paterson wrote:


Feb 5, 2019 -- 2:45PM, LiferYank wrote:


Feb 5, 2019 -- 2:05PM, Paterson wrote:


Feb 5, 2019 -- 2:02PM, LiferYank wrote:


Feb 5, 2019 -- 1:55PM, Paterson wrote:


 


     What do you think Aaron Hicks is thinking when he reads that ?





I think Hicks realizes he is not a Harper like player.




    If I told you that Hicks had WAR of 4.7 last year compared to Harper's 1.3 how surprised would you be ? I was when l looked it up.





I use this site


www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1... Shows him at 3.5


www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=5... Hicks as 4.9



Signing Harper you are looking at the potential of his 2015 season...



Hicks best year by far was last year.



If somehow they can make that Ellsbury trade with the Giants it makes sense to sign Harper. You could rotate him or Stanton or heck Judge at the DH with Hicks mainly playing CF.





    I took the Harper number from: 
www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/har...


   The only way the Yankees make the Ellsbury trade is if they take on an equivalent salary...so signing Harper still ups the payroll by $30 M or so. I'd love to have a big left handed bat in the lineup, but the only way to add Harper would be to send Stanton home to California. 


I don't know, Pat. The Yanks aka Hal and family have a multi-billion dollar team. If Judge is willing to make room for Harper, it must mean he wants him there. All this can happen whether Stanton goes or stays, imo. Otherwise, we have a light-hitting and a questionable LH bat in our lineup--plus whatever Ellsbury has left. As for Hicks, he'll be a FA and I bet either too expensive for what he's worth or else gone in 2020. How weak will that be? We need a consistent LH slugger in our lineup. That's Harper, like it or not. We maybe had a chance to get Brantleyi, but Cashman just didn't care. And note: we have no more LH potential power-hitter in our minor-league system. Cashman's traded the ones we had.


    





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