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What if there were 42 million at the border?
8 months ago  ::  Feb 10, 2019 - 8:10AM #1
louisiana_lightning
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The 10-20 million illegal immigrants living here were audacious enough to break our laws.  There are many multiples more than that wishing to come here that haven't broken our immigration laws yet.  This only represents Latin America and they are watching and waiting to see what we do.

news.gallup.com/opinion/chairman/246563/...


Here's a good question about caravans: How many more are coming?


Gallup asked the whole population of Latin America. There are 33 countries in Latin America and the Caribbean. Roughly 450 million adults live in the region. Gallup asked them, "Would you like to move to another country permanently if you could?"


A whopping 27% said "yes."


So this means roughly 120 million would like to migrate somewhere.


The next question Gallup asked was, "Where would you like to move?"


Of those who want to leave their Latin American country permanently, 35% said they want to go to the United States.


The Gallup analytics estimate is that 42 million want to come to the U.S.


Forty-two million seekers of citizenship or asylum are watching to determine exactly when and how is the best time to make the move. This suggests that open borders could potentially attract 42 million Latin Americans. A full 5 million who are planning to move in the next 12 months say they are moving to the U.S.


Rather than find a solution for the several thousand potential migrants currently at the border, let's start by answering the bigger, harder question -- what about the 42 million who would like to come? What is the message to those millions who will seek entrance either legally or illegally? What should we tell them?


Most U.S. citizens like me just want to know the plan. What is the 10-year plan? How many, exactly whom and what skills will they bring? What do we want? Answer these questions, and the current discussion can be resolved.


Keep in mind that it's not only 330 million Americans who are wondering -- so are 42 million seekers from Latin America.



Jim Clifton is Chairman and CEO at Gallup.

8 months ago  ::  Feb 10, 2019 - 9:33AM #2
meacham
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The sane answer is they need to follow our immigration laws, and that the border will be secured against any illegal attempts to enter.


Once word gets around that it's not worth trying, the illegal flow will dry up.


Want to come here?   Go through the legal process, which should try to take immigrants from all over the world in proportion to what our economy can reasonably expect to need.

8 months ago  ::  Feb 10, 2019 - 9:37AM #3
louisiana_lightning
Posts: 16,966

Feb 10, 2019 -- 9:33AM, meacham wrote:


The sane answer is they need to follow our immigration laws, and that the border will be secured against any illegal attempts to enter.


Once word gets around that it's not worth trying, the illegal flow will dry up.


Want to come here?   Go through the legal process, which should try to take immigrants from all over the world in proportion to what our economy can reasonably expect to need.




We have 42% Visa overstays.  I think a solution has to begin with National E-Verify.  You shut off the main before fixing a leak, you pull the breaker before repairing a wire.

8 months ago  ::  Feb 10, 2019 - 9:42AM #4
meacham
Posts: 3,675

Feb 10, 2019 -- 9:37AM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Feb 10, 2019 -- 9:33AM, meacham wrote:


The sane answer is they need to follow our immigration laws, and that the border will be secured against any illegal attempts to enter.


Once word gets around that it's not worth trying, the illegal flow will dry up.


Want to come here?   Go through the legal process, which should try to take immigrants from all over the world in proportion to what our economy can reasonably expect to need.




We have 42% Visa overstays.  I think a solution has to begin with National E-Verify.  You shut off the main before fixing a leak, you pull the breaker before repairing a wire.




That's another issue they need to tackle, although those people I don't think are border sneakers.  E-Verify is fine, so is adding some more manpower to track down the overstayers and deport them.   I just think E-Verify will face a lot of resistance to get passed.

8 months ago  ::  Feb 10, 2019 - 9:48AM #5
louisiana_lightning
Posts: 16,966

Feb 10, 2019 -- 9:42AM, meacham wrote:


Feb 10, 2019 -- 9:37AM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Feb 10, 2019 -- 9:33AM, meacham wrote:


The sane answer is they need to follow our immigration laws, and that the border will be secured against any illegal attempts to enter.


Once word gets around that it's not worth trying, the illegal flow will dry up.


Want to come here?   Go through the legal process, which should try to take immigrants from all over the world in proportion to what our economy can reasonably expect to need.




We have 42% Visa overstays.  I think a solution has to begin with National E-Verify.  You shut off the main before fixing a leak, you pull the breaker before repairing a wire.




That's another issue they need to tackle, although those people I don't think are border sneakers.  E-Verify is fine, so is adding some more manpower to track down the overstayers and deport them.   I just think E-Verify will face a lot of resistance to get passed.




Of course it will.  It is substantive.  It ends the moral ambiguity.

8 months ago  ::  Feb 10, 2019 - 11:51AM #6
yankoldfan
Posts: 7,933

What if there wasn't ????

8 months ago  ::  Feb 10, 2019 - 12:00PM #7
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 76,631

I believe in Trump's call for a wall ... one of the rare things I agree with with him ... but I don't like the way he is trying to get the money to do it ... he has to negotiate a deal for it ... and he can if he allowed the dreamers to have citizenship ... that would get him his wall money.


Besides that I think everything should be done that can be done to keep illegal immigrants out of this Country ... we are a Country of laws.

8 months ago  ::  Feb 10, 2019 - 12:05PM #8
bertram
Posts: 9,354

Feb 10, 2019 -- 12:00PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


I believe in Trump's call for a wall ... one of the rare things I agree with with him ... but I don't like the way he is trying to get the money to do it ... he has to negotiate a deal for it ... and he can if he allowed the dreamers to have citizenship ... that would get him his wall money.


Besides that I think everything should be done that can be done to keep illegal immigrants out of this Country ... we are a Country of laws.




The single most consistent and counterproductive abuse of our immigration laws has been the almost complete failure to enforce the laws against employers hiring illegals.  Had those laws been enforced with real consequences, so much of the motivation for people to come here would have been removed.  As it played out, illegals knew that if they could just get here there would be jobs waiting for them.

8 months ago  ::  Feb 10, 2019 - 12:07PM #9
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 76,631

Feb 10, 2019 -- 12:05PM, bertram wrote:


Feb 10, 2019 -- 12:00PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


I believe in Trump's call for a wall ... one of the rare things I agree with with him ... but I don't like the way he is trying to get the money to do it ... he has to negotiate a deal for it ... and he can if he allowed the dreamers to have citizenship ... that would get him his wall money.


Besides that I think everything should be done that can be done to keep illegal immigrants out of this Country ... we are a Country of laws.




The single most consistent and counterproductive abuse of our immigration laws has been the almost complete failure to enforce the laws against employers hiring illegals.  Had those laws been enforced with real consequences, so much of the motivation for people to come here would have been removed.  As it played out, illegals knew that if they could just get here there would be jobs waiting for them.




Enforcing those laws should be first on the agenda ... good point.

8 months ago  ::  Feb 10, 2019 - 12:10PM #10
louisiana_lightning
Posts: 16,966

Feb 10, 2019 -- 12:05PM, bertram wrote:


Feb 10, 2019 -- 12:00PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


I believe in Trump's call for a wall ... one of the rare things I agree with with him ... but I don't like the way he is trying to get the money to do it ... he has to negotiate a deal for it ... and he can if he allowed the dreamers to have citizenship ... that would get him his wall money.


Besides that I think everything should be done that can be done to keep illegal immigrants out of this Country ... we are a Country of laws.




The single most consistent and counterproductive abuse of our immigration laws has been the almost complete failure to enforce the laws against employers hiring illegals.  Had those laws been enforced with real consequences, so much of the motivation for people to come here would have been removed.  As it played out, illegals knew that if they could just get here there would be jobs waiting for them.




They don't have the tools, we need National E-Verify.

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