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8 months ago  ::  Feb 10, 2019 - 11:20AM #11
yankoldfan
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Feb 10, 2019 -- 11:16AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Any doctor who says that abortion is against his beliefs, should never be forced to administer the procedure ... we are still a free nation ... that should not be taken away from someone just because they are in the medical field  ... the right to make their own moral choices.




Mo, it's more about the money than their beliefs... Trust me, Drs. are still interested in the almighty dollar..

8 months ago  ::  Feb 10, 2019 - 11:21AM #12
louisiana_lightning
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Feb 10, 2019 -- 11:05AM, bertram wrote:


Feb 10, 2019 -- 11:01AM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Feb 10, 2019 -- 10:57AM, bertram wrote:


Feb 10, 2019 -- 10:52AM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Feb 10, 2019 -- 10:44AM, bertram wrote:


Yeah, it would be criminal to "force" doctors to abide by the law of the land...................................


There are plenty of other professions available to people who refuse to grant a woman's right to choose.  




At least you are honest.  So if a person takes on the expense and training to preserve life they must be willing to extinguish it on demand? Wow.




Cacklers need to accept the fact that the legal definition of a live person doesn't necessarily fit their religious beliefs.  Let's be blunt...doctors are glorified mechanics who work on the machine that is the human body.  If they can't conform to legal rules regarding such work, there are always Fords, Chevy's, and Toyotas aplenty that need attention.




The government is not the moral compass of the nation.  That is up to our individual beliefs or lack there of.  All mechanics don't work on all types of cars.  You suggested that if they are in that field they would need to be willing to perform on demand abortions, did I understand that right?




Doctors would need to uphold the law of the land in that regard.  You are on record demanding that other workers do the same.  Just be consistent...




Context means everything.  I think you are talking about how I say if we are going to have labor laws they can't be selectively enforced.  I would rather scrap most of those laws.  Even if you don't believe that abortion is killing a person, I find it nihilistic that anyone would think it's desirable to try to force others to participate in it against their moral judgement.

8 months ago  ::  Feb 10, 2019 - 11:21AM #13
bertram
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Feb 10, 2019 -- 11:16AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Any doctor who says that abortion is against his beliefs, should never be forced to administer the procedure ... we are still a free nation ... that should not be taken away from someone just because they are in the medical field  ... the right to make their own moral choices.




I'd say the right moral choice there is not to become a doctor in the first place.  If a person cannot in good conscience obey the law in certain professional situations, they should opt for a different profession.

8 months ago  ::  Feb 10, 2019 - 11:22AM #14
louisiana_lightning
Posts: 17,007

Feb 10, 2019 -- 11:16AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Any doctor who says that abortion is against his beliefs, should never be forced to administer the procedure ... we are still a free nation ... that should not be taken away from someone just because they are in the medical field  ... the right to make their own moral choices.




I agree but under single payer all doctors would essentially be public employees.  It's an issue that will come up.

8 months ago  ::  Feb 10, 2019 - 11:23AM #15
louisiana_lightning
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Feb 10, 2019 -- 11:20AM, yankoldfan wrote:


Feb 10, 2019 -- 11:16AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Any doctor who says that abortion is against his beliefs, should never be forced to administer the procedure ... we are still a free nation ... that should not be taken away from someone just because they are in the medical field  ... the right to make their own moral choices.




Mo, it's more about the money than their beliefs... Trust me, Drs. are still interested in the almighty dollar..




What the heck is that supposed to mean?

8 months ago  ::  Feb 10, 2019 - 11:23AM #16
yankoldfan
Posts: 7,967

Feb 10, 2019 -- 11:21AM, bertram wrote:


Feb 10, 2019 -- 11:16AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Any doctor who says that abortion is against his beliefs, should never be forced to administer the procedure ... we are still a free nation ... that should not be taken away from someone just because they are in the medical field  ... the right to make their own moral choices.




I'd say the right moral choice there is not to become a doctor in the first place.  If a person cannot in good conscience obey the law in certain professional situations, they should opt for a different profession.




Like a run for POTUS ??? Worked out good for donald... Wink

8 months ago  ::  Feb 10, 2019 - 11:26AM #17
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 76,667

Feb 10, 2019 -- 11:21AM, bertram wrote:


Feb 10, 2019 -- 11:16AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Any doctor who says that abortion is against his beliefs, should never be forced to administer the procedure ... we are still a free nation ... that should not be taken away from someone just because they are in the medical field  ... the right to make their own moral choices.




I'd say the right moral choice there is not to become a doctor in the first place.  If a person cannot in good conscience obey the law in certain professional situations, they should opt for a different profession.




People have a right to choose the profession they are called to and to make their own moral decisions ... you are trying to take people's freedoms away from them ... there are plenty of abortion doctors available ... no reason to force doctors to do it if they have a moral objection to it.

8 months ago  ::  Feb 10, 2019 - 11:27AM #18
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 76,667

Feb 10, 2019 -- 11:22AM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Feb 10, 2019 -- 11:16AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Any doctor who says that abortion is against his beliefs, should never be forced to administer the procedure ... we are still a free nation ... that should not be taken away from someone just because they are in the medical field  ... the right to make their own moral choices.




I agree but under single payer all doctors would essentially be public employees.  It's an issue that will come up.




Single payer is a dream the Democrats have ... it will never happen.

8 months ago  ::  Feb 10, 2019 - 11:33AM #19
bertram
Posts: 9,404

Feb 10, 2019 -- 11:26AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Feb 10, 2019 -- 11:21AM, bertram wrote:


Feb 10, 2019 -- 11:16AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Any doctor who says that abortion is against his beliefs, should never be forced to administer the procedure ... we are still a free nation ... that should not be taken away from someone just because they are in the medical field  ... the right to make their own moral choices.




I'd say the right moral choice there is not to become a doctor in the first place.  If a person cannot in good conscience obey the law in certain professional situations, they should opt for a different profession.




People have a right to choose the profession they are called to and to make their own moral decisions ... you are trying to take people's freedoms away from them ... there are plenty of abortion doctors available ... no reason to force doctors to do it if they have a moral objection to it.




 "...there are plenty of abortion doctors available..." 


The Republican Party has been hard at work for a long time with the goal of reducing that number to zero in spite of the law.  People have the ability to make choices for their profession.  Those who oppose abortion shouldn't be working in a medical field that forces them into participating in that procedure.  It would be like an auto worker refusing to install mandated clean-air devices because he/she wants the engine "to breath free".

8 months ago  ::  Feb 10, 2019 - 11:34AM #20
louisiana_lightning
Posts: 17,007

Feb 10, 2019 -- 11:21AM, bertram wrote:


Feb 10, 2019 -- 11:16AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Any doctor who says that abortion is against his beliefs, should never be forced to administer the procedure ... we are still a free nation ... that should not be taken away from someone just because they are in the medical field  ... the right to make their own moral choices.




I'd say the right moral choice there is not to become a doctor in the first place.  If a person cannot in good conscience obey the law in certain professional situations, they should opt for a different profession.




It's not consistent with the Hippocratic Oath, I know that is not an official standard.  If that is your stance then I suppose that anestesiologists would have to be willing to euthanize if the law changes to allow assisted suicide or for executions.  That's not an issue now, you hire a person that is willing to perform it at the right price.  Under single payer that will no longer be the case.  For the record I no longer believe in executions.  Not out of sympathy for the criminal but because I don't want their last evil act to be forcing society to murder.  I believe that individual natural rights should be our supreme guidance and if someone infringes upon those rights on others and we are forced to separate them from their liberty we take on the obligation to protect their well being.  Two wrongs don't make a right.

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