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10 months ago  ::  Feb 10, 2019 - 2:16PM #51
bertram
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Feb 10, 2019 -- 2:13PM, 2BBobby wrote:


Feb 10, 2019 -- 1:44PM, Max wrote:


Everyone I know that's on Medicare likes it. So do the Drs because they know that they are going to get paid.


I'd say that if there was a Medicare for all Public Option and Private Insurers, within 5 years just about every American would choose the Medicare for all option. 




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Medicare, for me and my wife, has been great. And everyone we know our age feels the same. The notion that recipients like us are getting something for "free" or cheap is, of course, ridiculous. We paid into the system our entire working lives, and continue to pay into it today. The total of our Medicare A, B & D is approx. $500 per month...comparable to what we paid for private group insurance prior to Medicare.


Ironically, and IMO hypocritically, the complaint many have re the Public Option is that there would be fewer people in the private insurance market to subsidize their health care.




Exactly!  It would shrink their pool.  Better in their eyes that they get theirs in spite of the tens of thousands who died needlessly early deaths under the pre-ACA system when private health insurers had their way with people.

10 months ago  ::  Feb 11, 2019 - 10:23AM #52
yankoldfan
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Feb 10, 2019 -- 1:04PM, bertram wrote:


Feb 10, 2019 -- 1:00PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Feb 10, 2019 -- 12:10PM, bertram wrote:


Feb 10, 2019 -- 12:02PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Feb 10, 2019 -- 11:57AM, bertram wrote:


Feb 10, 2019 -- 11:41AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Feb 10, 2019 -- 11:39AM, bertram wrote:


Feb 10, 2019 -- 11:34AM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Feb 10, 2019 -- 11:21AM, bertram wrote:


Feb 10, 2019 -- 11:16AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Any doctor who says that abortion is against his beliefs, should never be forced to administer the procedure ... we are still a free nation ... that should not be taken away from someone just because they are in the medical field  ... the right to make their own moral choices.




I'd say the right moral choice there is not to become a doctor in the first place.  If a person cannot in good conscience obey the law in certain professional situations, they should opt for a different profession.




It's not consistent with the Hippocratic Oath, I know that is not an official standard.  If that is your stance then I suppose that anestesiologists would have to be willing to euthanize if the law changes to allow assisted suicide or for executions.  That's not an issue now, you hire a person that is willing to perform it at the right price.  Under single payer that will no longer be the case.  For the record I no longer believe in executions.  Not out of sympathy for the criminal but because I don't want their last evil act to be forcing society to murder.  I believe that individual natural rights should be our supreme guidance and if someone infringes upon those rights on others and we are forced to separate them from their liberty we take on the obligation to protect their well being.  Two wrongs don't mak a right.




Let's not make it a Hypocritic Oath.  It's simple...don't enter fields that force you to do lawful things that fly in the face of your moral compass.  If you sincerely believe that legal life begins at conception, for example, you have no business being in the medical profession unless you are willing to make exceptions that follow the law.




What law?  The law does not state that doctors have to commit abortions ... and it never will.




If the law of the land dictates that women have a right to choose, any department in a hospital of a universal healthcare system that is designated as an abortion-providing unit would require those staff members to participate in such procedures.  It will be up to our lawmakers, if they so choose, to provide ways for medical personnel to be able to stay in the field and still avoid being placed in that situation.  The GOP will attempt to trash the whole idea of Medicare For All, for instance, by claiming that there will be no choices like that available.  We have already seen posts like that on this board from anti-abortion advocates. 


If a young person these days is in doubt about the shape of that future, they should choose another profession.  IMO, it's inevitable that we will see Medicare For All or a similar government-run universal system in the near future.  And Republicans have nobody else to blame but themselves and the people they have voted into office.  Their refusal to initially allow a public option as part of the ACA, their refusal to modify the ACA and their efforts to dismantle the ACA with no viable backup plan in place have left millions of Americans in peril.  Millions more are living in fear that they will someday get sick and have no way to pay for care.  The message has been clear for decades...the Republican leadership doesn't care if it means depriving Big Medical and Big Pharma of windfall profits.




No young person needs to change their aspirations to become a doctor because no way are we ever going to tell a doctor that they have to commit murder ... plain and simple.  




That is up to our lawmakers.  We need to be much more careful about who we put in office.  At this point, the GOP leadership had better be careful what they wish for.  If Roe vs. Wade is overturned by Trump SCOTUS appointees, there will be mass defections of women to the Democratic Party.  The currents are already changing in that direction as the data from the midterms is analyzed.  




My dream is that more people become Independent thinkers instead of being beholden to a party.




I'd love for Americans to have more choices than two parties...and a system of runoff elections.  However, the Democratic Party has defended women's rights to choose.  That is clear.




There's still a better way yet, lets run as an individual instead of any letter in front of their names... Have primaries to have a run off of the top two, then introduce term limits and a lot of problems would be solved...

10 months ago  ::  Feb 11, 2019 - 10:32AM #53
bertram
Posts: 9,969

The older our republic gets, the more the weaknesses of our two-party system become exposed.  

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