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8 months ago  ::  Feb 10, 2019 - 6:57PM #51
bertram
Posts: 9,471

Feb 10, 2019 -- 6:56PM, ArtVandelay wrote:


Feb 10, 2019 -- 6:55PM, bertram wrote:


"When Obama ran the deficit through the roof, you re-elected him..."


Actually, Obama's record is one of decreasing the deficits as his two terms unfolded...


"...According to the U.S National Bureau of Economic Research, the Great Recession started in December 2007 and ended in June 2009. President Barack Obama was sworn in on January 20, 2009, so it had already started before he entered office.


The first thing you notice when looking at the federal deficits from fiscal 2007 (the U.S. government fiscal year ends in September) is that it increased by almost $1 trillion from fiscal 2008 (two months before Obama was elected and four months before he was sworn in) to fiscal 2009. It remained over $1 trillion per year for four years and got below Bush’s last years deficit in fiscal 2015. It continued to decrease until Obama’s last year and has increased in Trump’s first year in office.

  • Fiscal 2007: $161 billion (next to last year of Bush’s second term)
  • Fiscal 2008: $459 billion (beginning impact from the Great Recession)
  • Fiscal 2009: $1.4 trillion (Obama’s first year and in the teeth of the Recession)
  • Fiscal 2010: $1.3 trillion
  • Fiscal 2011: $1.3 trillion
  • Fiscal 2012: $1.1 trillion
  • Fiscal 2013: $680 billion
  • Fiscal 2014: $485 billion
  • Fiscal 2015: $438 billion
  • Fiscal 2016: $587 billion
  • Fiscal 2017: $666 billion (Trump’s first year of his Presidency)






you can't ignore the debt.




And you can't ignore where the debt came from...

8 months ago  ::  Feb 10, 2019 - 7:03PM #52
ArtVandelay
Posts: 34,732

Feb 10, 2019 -- 6:57PM, 2BBobby wrote:


Feb 10, 2019 -- 6:51PM, ArtVandelay wrote:


New York born.  




~~~~~~~~~~~


Cool. Yanks will be out there in April. Are you gonna be able to catch a few games?





I try to see at least one game in Anaheim...

8 months ago  ::  Feb 10, 2019 - 7:04PM #53
2BBobby
Posts: 3,912

Feb 10, 2019 -- 6:55PM, ArtVandelay wrote:


Coming home from Vegas in the late 90s, Needed a pit stop, stopped in Victorville (first time stopping after driving through it for years), went into the museum looking for a restroom, old guy sitting in a chair pointed to the men's room. 




Spent quite a bit of time in that area...Barstow actually...Fort Irwin. When was the last time you were there? Came thru there last summer from Ridgecrest after a visit to Death Valley NP on the way to Anaheim to see the Yanks. The "growth" has been amazing.


P.S. - Hope I'm not getting too "personal".


8 months ago  ::  Feb 10, 2019 - 7:13PM #54
ArtVandelay
Posts: 34,732

Feb 10, 2019 -- 7:04PM, 2BBobby wrote:


Feb 10, 2019 -- 6:55PM, ArtVandelay wrote:


Coming home from Vegas in the late 90s, Needed a pit stop, stopped in Victorville (first time stopping after driving through it for years), went into the museum looking for a restroom, old guy sitting in a chair pointed to the men's room. 




Spent quite a bit of time in that area...Barstow actually...Fort Irwin. When was the last time you were there? Came thru there last summer from Ridgecrest after a visit to Death Valley NP on the way to Anaheim to see the Yanks. The "growth" has been amazing.


P.S. - Hope I'm not getting too "personal".





i drive through that area about every other month when I go to Vegas...  I prefer driving as I think the ride through the desert is pretty amazing....  I usually stop at Peggy Sues in Yermo on the ride back....

8 months ago  ::  Feb 10, 2019 - 7:22PM #55
laurenf2
Posts: 9,400

Feb 10, 2019 -- 6:57PM, newinn wrote:


Feb 10, 2019 -- 6:48PM, ArtVandelay wrote:


Feb 10, 2019 -- 6:43PM, newinn wrote:


Feb 10, 2019 -- 6:35PM, ArtVandelay wrote:


Feb 10, 2019 -- 6:29PM, newinn wrote:


Feb 10, 2019 -- 6:07PM, ArtVandelay wrote:


Feb 10, 2019 -- 6:05PM, newinn wrote:


Oh and I agree, Trump has accomplished a lot. Problem is, most of it's bad.




Name one.




tax cut for the wealthy.




I got a tax cut, I know you did too...  Mo said she got one, what is the problem?




Mine was insignificant and the defecit is going through the roof.




But you got one, as most Americans.  When Obama ran the deficit through the roof you reelected him.  Why?




because Obama needed to get the country out of a potential depression and the only one spending money was the govt. Trump took Obamas growing economy and used it to personally benefit him and his friends.




Can't say it better myself

8 months ago  ::  Feb 10, 2019 - 7:23PM #56
laurenf2
Posts: 9,400

Feb 10, 2019 -- 6:55PM, bertram wrote:


"When Obama ran the deficit through the roof, you re-elected him..."


Actually, Obama's record is one of decreasing the deficits as his two terms unfolded...


"...According to the U.S National Bureau of Economic Research, the Great Recession started in December 2007 and ended in June 2009. President Barack Obama was sworn in on January 20, 2009, so it had already started before he entered office.


The first thing you notice when looking at the federal deficits from fiscal 2007 (the U.S. government fiscal year ends in September) is that it increased by almost $1 trillion from fiscal 2008 (two months before Obama was elected and four months before he was sworn in) to fiscal 2009. It remained over $1 trillion per year for four years and got below Bush’s last years deficit in fiscal 2015. It continued to decrease until Obama’s last year and has increased in Trump’s first year in office.


  • Fiscal 2007: $161 billion (next to last year of Bush’s second term)
  • Fiscal 2008: $459 billion (beginning impact from the Great Recession)
  • Fiscal 2009: $1.4 trillion (Obama’s first year and in the teeth of the Recession)
  • Fiscal 2010: $1.3 trillion
  • Fiscal 2011: $1.3 trillion
  • Fiscal 2012: $1.1 trillion
  • Fiscal 2013: $680 billion
  • Fiscal 2014: $485 billion
  • Fiscal 2015: $438 billion
  • Fiscal 2016: $587 billion
  • Fiscal 2017: $666 billion (Trump’s first year of his Presidency)..."






...and here I thought GOP is the party for fiscal conservatives....

8 months ago  ::  Feb 10, 2019 - 7:24PM #57
2BBobby
Posts: 3,912

Feb 10, 2019 -- 7:13PM, ArtVandelay wrote:


Feb 10, 2019 -- 7:04PM, 2BBobby wrote:


Feb 10, 2019 -- 6:55PM, ArtVandelay wrote:


Coming home from Vegas in the late 90s, Needed a pit stop, stopped in Victorville (first time stopping after driving through it for years), went into the museum looking for a restroom, old guy sitting in a chair pointed to the men's room. 




Spent quite a bit of time in that area...Barstow actually...Fort Irwin. When was the last time you were there? Came thru there last summer from Ridgecrest after a visit to Death Valley NP on the way to Anaheim to see the Yanks. The "growth" has been amazing.


P.S. - Hope I'm not getting too "personal".





i drive through that area about every other month when I go to Vegas...  I prefer driving as I think the ride through the desert is pretty amazing....  I usually stop at Peggy Sues in Yermo on the ride back....




~~~~~~~~~~~~


Not familiar with Peggy Sue's. I don't go to Vegas much, but if I do it's up 95 from Bullhead. Last time I was there (actually Henderson) was a year ago to watch my grandson play in a "showcase" tourney. He's getting a lot of interest from several brand name DI schools. Pretty sure he'll be offered a full ride...sure hope so. 

8 months ago  ::  Feb 10, 2019 - 7:29PM #58
yankoldfan
Posts: 7,984

Feb 10, 2019 -- 6:56PM, ArtVandelay wrote:


Feb 10, 2019 -- 6:55PM, bertram wrote:


"When Obama ran the deficit through the roof, you re-elected him..."


Actually, Obama's record is one of decreasing the deficits as his two terms unfolded...


"...According to the U.S National Bureau of Economic Research, the Great Recession started in December 2007 and ended in June 2009. President Barack Obama was sworn in on January 20, 2009, so it had already started before he entered office.


The first thing you notice when looking at the federal deficits from fiscal 2007 (the U.S. government fiscal year ends in September) is that it increased by almost $1 trillion from fiscal 2008 (two months before Obama was elected and four months before he was sworn in) to fiscal 2009. It remained over $1 trillion per year for four years and got below Bush’s last years deficit in fiscal 2015. It continued to decrease until Obama’s last year and has increased in Trump’s first year in office.

  • Fiscal 2007: $161 billion (next to last year of Bush’s second term)
  • Fiscal 2008: $459 billion (beginning impact from the Great Recession)
  • Fiscal 2009: $1.4 trillion (Obama’s first year and in the teeth of the Recession)
  • Fiscal 2010: $1.3 trillion
  • Fiscal 2011: $1.3 trillion
  • Fiscal 2012: $1.1 trillion
  • Fiscal 2013: $680 billion
  • Fiscal 2014: $485 billion
  • Fiscal 2015: $438 billion
  • Fiscal 2016: $587 billion
  • Fiscal 2017: $666 billion (Trump’s first year of his Presidency)






you can't ignore the debt.




But you is a different story....

8 months ago  ::  Feb 10, 2019 - 7:36PM #59
laurenf2
Posts: 9,400

For an hours or two lets forget about all the griping, the bar is open for business... I'm having my Sunday night martini...Here's to you.....



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8 months ago  ::  Feb 10, 2019 - 7:38PM #60
2BBobby
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