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Hal Thinks The Fans Are The Enemy
7 months ago  ::  Feb 11, 2019 - 6:53AM #1
Stewie
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So, Hal thinks the fans are being unfair to him, and that they should back off.  Sometimes the best reaction is no reaction.  Before making any public statement one should ask oneself "Why am I doing this?  What do I hope to accomplish?  Whom do I propose to persuade and exactly how will my statement accomplish this?"  Apparently Hal considered none of these questions before plunging forth.  His tirade fairly reeked of defensiveness...with a soupcon of paranoia.  It was long on petulance and short on persuasion...unless his purpose was to persuade us that he's a petty, small-minded @$$hole as well as a tightwad.  Here's a tip, Hal.  If you care about what the fans think of you (the apparent reason for his outburst) don't attack them.  Just shut up and give them what they want.


7 months ago  ::  Feb 11, 2019 - 7:14AM #2
yankoldfan
Posts: 7,744

Feb 11, 2019 -- 6:53AM, Stewie wrote:



So, Hal thinks the fans are being unfair to him, and that they should back off.  Sometimes the best reaction is no reaction.  Before making any public statement one should ask oneself "Why am I doing this?  What do I hope to accomplish?  Whom do I propose to persuade and exactly how will my statement accomplish this?"  Apparently Hal considered none of these questions before plunging forth.  His tirade fairly reeked of defensiveness...with a soupcon of paranoia.  It was long on petulance and short on persuasion...unless his purpose was to persuade us that he's a petty, small-minded @$$hole as well as a tightwad.  Here's a tip, Hal.  If you care about what the fans think of you (the apparent reason for his outburst) don't attack them.  Just shut up and give them what they want.





Myabe take your own advise and don't attack one of the owners ?? I think Hal knows more about his team and the money they have spent than fans do.. In my mind, there's no reason to say Hal/Hank/Ca$hman hasn't done things to make this team better... So give it a rest...

7 months ago  ::  Feb 11, 2019 - 7:30AM #3
Stewie
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Feb 11, 2019 -- 7:14AM, yankoldfan wrote:


Feb 11, 2019 -- 6:53AM, Stewie wrote:



So, Hal thinks the fans are being unfair to him, and that they should back off.  Sometimes the best reaction is no reaction.  Before making any public statement one should ask oneself "Why am I doing this?  What do I hope to accomplish?  Whom do I propose to persuade and exactly how will my statement accomplish this?"  Apparently Hal considered none of these questions before plunging forth.  His tirade fairly reeked of defensiveness...with a soupcon of paranoia.  It was long on petulance and short on persuasion...unless his purpose was to persuade us that he's a petty, small-minded @$$hole as well as a tightwad.  Here's a tip, Hal.  If you care about what the fans think of you (the apparent reason for his outburst) don't attack them.  Just shut up and give them what they want.





Myabe take your own advise and don't attack one of the owners ?? I think Hal knows more about his team and the money they have spent than fans do.. In my mind, there's no reason to say Hal/Hank/Ca$hman hasn't done things to make this team better... So give it a rest...




Really?  Like what? What has he done to make this team better?  RE-signing Gardner, Britton, and Sabathia?  We lost Robertson, so Ottavino is a wash.  We lost our top pitching prospect to get an injury-prone guy in his thirties with a career average of less than 100 innings per season.  Le Mahieu?  Please.  Tulowitski?  A 34-year old his former team is paying $20 million a year just to be rid of.  This is Hal's master plan to upgrade the Yankees?   

7 months ago  ::  Feb 11, 2019 - 8:31AM #4
bomberhojoe
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In my opinion, the best moves the Yankees have made this off-season is the moves they didn't make.


Not signing Machado and not trading Andujar.


Other than that, I don't think they've done much to improve the team. However, resigning Happ and Britton were wise moves.

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7 months ago  ::  Feb 11, 2019 - 8:37AM #5
Stewie
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True, re-signing Happ and Britton were good (however obvious) moves.  Retaining status quo (Britton, Happ, Gardner, Sabathia) is not improvement, as you said.  I believe that Hal, and Yankee fans, will rue not signing Harper. It will be too late then, except for the finger-pointing.

7 months ago  ::  Feb 11, 2019 - 9:11AM #6
14moose14
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Stewie, I totally agree with your posts. I posted two months ago that it was apparent to me that Hal wasn't committed to winning, he was content in fielding a "good enough" competitive team, his main focus being on the bottom line by minimizing expenditures. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to see that you and I are right. This team needs two things to make them the team to beat -- another dependable SP and a LH power bat. The pitcher may be hard to find, but that LH bat is there for the taking, and Hal has no interest in signing him. Why? Because he's not needed? Not a good fit? No, because he's expensive and Hal's trying to get by on the cheap.
7 months ago  ::  Feb 11, 2019 - 9:33AM #7
luvdayanks
Posts: 26,709

Feb 11, 2019 -- 9:11AM, 14moose14 wrote:

Stewie, I totally agree with your posts. I posted two months ago that it was apparent to me that Hal wasn't committed to winning, he was content in fielding a "good enough" competitive team, his main focus being on the bottom line by minimizing expenditures. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to see that you and I are right. This team needs two things to make them the team to beat -- another dependable SP and a LH power bat. The pitcher may be hard to find, but that LH bat is there for the taking, and Hal has no interest in signing him. Why? Because he's not needed? Not a good fit? No, because he's expensive and Hal's trying to get by on the cheap.




 The Orioles are looking for fans, maybe you should look into it.

7 months ago  ::  Feb 11, 2019 - 9:37AM #8
cleanuphtr12
Posts: 1,126

Feb 11, 2019 -- 7:14AM, yankoldfan wrote:


Feb 11, 2019 -- 6:53AM, Stewie wrote:



So, Hal thinks the fans are being unfair to him, and that they should back off.  Sometimes the best reaction is no reaction.  Before making any public statement one should ask oneself "Why am I doing this?  What do I hope to accomplish?  Whom do I propose to persuade and exactly how will my statement accomplish this?"  Apparently Hal considered none of these questions before plunging forth.  His tirade fairly reeked of defensiveness...with a soupcon of paranoia.  It was long on petulance and short on persuasion...unless his purpose was to persuade us that he's a petty, small-minded @$$hole as well as a tightwad.  Here's a tip, Hal.  If you care about what the fans think of you (the apparent reason for his outburst) don't attack them.  Just shut up and give them what they want.





Myabe take your own advise and don't attack one of the owners ?? I think Hal knows more about his team and the money they have spent than fans do.. In my mind, there's no reason to say Hal/Hank/Ca$hman hasn't done things to make this team better... So give it a rest...





Hell may have frozen over here, but I tend to agree with Stewie here.  Hal's comments were cringeworthy, bordering on insulting.  In telling the fans that they don't understand the level of expenses the Yankees have to pay, he listed things like payments on the stadium and salary for stadium employees.  The stadium was partially financed by tax-free bonds, meaning Steinbrenner esentially got the government (the people!) to pay hundreds of millions towards it.  Also, does he really want to act like the Yankees are the only team that have to pay Hot Dog salesmen?  I'm 100% certain that there is some truth to his implication that the Yankees have higher expenses than most other teams but they also bring in 100's of millions more in revenue.  I don't buy the idea that the Yankees are remotely close to their payroll limit to remain profitable.  



Realistically, I'd say they have had a B/B+ offseason.  That isn't bad.  If Hal could just keep his mouth shut and let the team do the talking many fans would probably come around.  Some probably still will.  When the only thing keeping him from having an A+ offseason is his desire to maximize profits, I don't want to hear him talking about their expenses.  Fans have expenses too.  Maybe I can't afford a damn $20 cheeseburger next time I go to the stadium.

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7 months ago  ::  Feb 11, 2019 - 9:43AM #9
ArtVandelay
Posts: 34,732

Leave Hal alone, hairspray is expensive...  

7 months ago  ::  Feb 11, 2019 - 10:01AM #10
yankoldfan
Posts: 7,744

Feb 11, 2019 -- 8:37AM, Stewie wrote:


True, re-signing Happ and Britton were good (however obvious) moves.  Retaining status quo (Britton, Happ, Gardner, Sabathia) is not improvement, as you said.  I believe that Hal, and Yankee fans, will rue not signing Harper. It will be too late then, except for the finger-pointing.




Your not taking into consideration what we started within 2018, yes we had some of the players at the end that we brought aboard during the season, but I'm looking at what we started with last season... We are better than we were starting this year than we were last year.. I don't count the Didi injury, that's something they had no control over..


I also agree with the moves we didn't do might be their best moves... Sure I'd like to add Harper, but not for the money and years it would cost... We are going to have a lot of our players that are going to cost mega $$$$$$ as they become free agents... Besides we still can add and subtract during the season don't be so impatient with what they've done or not done ??

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