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3 months ago  ::  Mar 12, 2019 - 9:44PM #1
laurenf2
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Wow!!!! Giants traded Odell Beckham Jr. to the Browns!!! A stunner!!!!
3 months ago  ::  Mar 13, 2019 - 10:38AM #2
JD210
Posts: 6

I have mixed feelings on this (he's going to be hard to replace), but I am more in favor than against.  They weren't winning with him anytime soon, so might as well try to get some assets for him.  I just wish they would've gotten more in exchange.  Whoever their QB is next year - be it Eli, a newly drafted QB, or both is going to be stepping into a tough spot.  Sure the OL is better and Barkley is there, but the cupboard just got a lot more bare on the receivers side of things.



It's obvious they are in full scale rebuild mode now - as they should be. But I'm not sure Gettleman has shown he's the right guy for this.  His moves last year were incredibly short sighted - I love Barkley, he's an elite RB, but they needed to take a QB at 2 - a team coming off a 3-13 season with holes all over the place and a 38 year old QB (37 last year) can't afford a RB at the number two pick, no matter how good he is.  By the time the Giants are good again you will have wasted Barkley's prime.  Collins should've been traded last year along with Harrison and Eli Apple - or franchised this year and either try to trade him or, heck, try to re-sign the guy (forget the 6 years, $84 mil headlines from Washington - the true contract is 3 / $45, which isn't cheap, but isn't outrageous either).

3 months ago  ::  Mar 13, 2019 - 10:56AM #3
yank0428
Posts: 16,993

Mar 13, 2019 -- 10:38AM, JD210 wrote:


I have mixed feelings on this (he's going to be hard to replace), but I am more in favor than against.  They weren't winning with him anytime soon, so might as well try to get some assets for him.  I just wish they would've gotten more in exchange.  Whoever their QB is next year - be it Eli, a newly drafted QB, or both is going to be stepping into a tough spot.  Sure the OL is better and Barkley is there, but the cupboard just got a lot more bare on the receivers side of things.



It's obvious they are in full scale rebuild mode now - as they should be. But I'm not sure Gettleman has shown he's the right guy for this.  His moves last year were incredibly short sighted - I love Barkley, he's an elite RB, but they needed to take a QB at 2 - a team coming off a 3-13 season with holes all over the place and a 38 year old QB (37 last year) can't afford a RB at the number two pick, no matter how good he is.  By the time the Giants are good again you will have wasted Barkley's prime.  Collins should've been traded last year along with Harrison and Eli Apple - or franchised this year and either try to trade him or, heck, try to re-sign the guy (forget the 6 years, $84 mil headlines from Washington - the true contract is 3 / $45, which isn't cheap, but isn't outrageous either).




Don't disagree just think Barkley was to good to pass up. The only QB from that draft I'm sold on is Mayfield and he went one.


 Beckham no doubt a great talent but a major headcase and not a team player. One season they made the playoffs and how many drops did he have in that game after his trip to Miami. Barkley is the best player on the team. Brown is the best WR in football not Beckham.


 IMO it makes no sense to have Eli back. They are rebuilding. He makes 23 mil. He can't take a pay cut like Brady does? If they can get Rosen for a 3rd round pick do it and let Eli go. Find out what Rosen is. If not look for a QB next year if he doesn't show he's the QB of the future. This team needs players. Keep the 1st round picks. 

3 months ago  ::  Mar 13, 2019 - 11:01AM #4
AltaJoe
Posts: 561

I'm mixed too.  BUt, not exactly for the same reasons, although your reasons are perfectly valid.  I don't like OBJ as a person.  I would hate him as a teammate.  I felt compelled to like him because he was a Giant and was angry with myself for being so shallow, I still "liked him" and put up with his BS.


Now that he's gone, I can loathe him without regrets.


However, as bad as the last few seasons have been, darker days are coming.  I have my doubts that any FA that has the fire in his belly to win would even listen to an offer from the Giants. The only guys that would, are money grubbers that will pull a Rodney Dangerfield "broken arm" 2 weeks into camp. I guess I'll just have to go to my happy place and grin and bear it.



3 months ago  ::  Mar 13, 2019 - 1:40PM #5
JD210
Posts: 6

Mar 13, 2019 -- 10:56AM, yank0428 wrote:


Mar 13, 2019 -- 10:38AM, JD210 wrote:


I have mixed feelings on this (he's going to be hard to replace), but I am more in favor than against.  They weren't winning with him anytime soon, so might as well try to get some assets for him.  I just wish they would've gotten more in exchange.  Whoever their QB is next year - be it Eli, a newly drafted QB, or both is going to be stepping into a tough spot.  Sure the OL is better and Barkley is there, but the cupboard just got a lot more bare on the receivers side of things.



It's obvious they are in full scale rebuild mode now - as they should be. But I'm not sure Gettleman has shown he's the right guy for this.  His moves last year were incredibly short sighted - I love Barkley, he's an elite RB, but they needed to take a QB at 2 - a team coming off a 3-13 season with holes all over the place and a 38 year old QB (37 last year) can't afford a RB at the number two pick, no matter how good he is.  By the time the Giants are good again you will have wasted Barkley's prime.  Collins should've been traded last year along with Harrison and Eli Apple - or franchised this year and either try to trade him or, heck, try to re-sign the guy (forget the 6 years, $84 mil headlines from Washington - the true contract is 3 / $45, which isn't cheap, but isn't outrageous either).




Don't disagree just think Barkley was to good to pass up. The only QB from that draft I'm sold on is Mayfield and he went one.


 Beckham no doubt a great talent but a major headcase and not a team player. One season they made the playoffs and how many drops did he have in that game after his trip to Miami. Barkley is the best player on the team. Brown is the best WR in football not Beckham.


 IMO it makes no sense to have Eli back. They are rebuilding. He makes 23 mil. He can't take a pay cut like Brady does? If they can get Rosen for a 3rd round pick do it and let Eli go. Find out what Rosen is. If not look for a QB next year if he doesn't show he's the QB of the future. This team needs players. Keep the 1st round picks. 




I'd be all in on Rosen too, especially if that rumored price (3rd round pick) is true.  Heck, I'd even consider a 2nd for him.  I just saw a mock draft that had them trade the #6 pick and the newly acquired Browns 1st round pick to move up to #2 to take Haskins after the Cardinals take Kyler Murray at 1.  The idea of doing that makes me want to vomit.  Haskins may turn out to be good, but you said it - they need to keep the picks and get two quality starters.  The draft is deep on defensive players supposedly, and we sure as heck could use one or two (or eight) of those.



If they get Rosen and he fails this year because either a) he isn't actually any good or b) the Giants situation is almost as bad as Arizona's last year, then they'll be picking at or near the top of next year's draft again anyway.  And then at that point you'll have your pick of Tua Tagovailoa (think he'd be a junior, so assuming he comes out), Justin Herbert, Jake Fromm, etc.


I'm a big fan of Eli Manning and appreciate all he's done for the team - but I can't take another year of him checking down to Barkley every other pass play next year. 

3 months ago  ::  Mar 13, 2019 - 2:50PM #6
yank0428
Posts: 16,993

Mar 13, 2019 -- 1:40PM, JD210 wrote:


Mar 13, 2019 -- 10:56AM, yank0428 wrote:


Mar 13, 2019 -- 10:38AM, JD210 wrote:


I have mixed feelings on this (he's going to be hard to replace), but I am more in favor than against.  They weren't winning with him anytime soon, so might as well try to get some assets for him.  I just wish they would've gotten more in exchange.  Whoever their QB is next year - be it Eli, a newly drafted QB, or both is going to be stepping into a tough spot.  Sure the OL is better and Barkley is there, but the cupboard just got a lot more bare on the receivers side of things.



It's obvious they are in full scale rebuild mode now - as they should be. But I'm not sure Gettleman has shown he's the right guy for this.  His moves last year were incredibly short sighted - I love Barkley, he's an elite RB, but they needed to take a QB at 2 - a team coming off a 3-13 season with holes all over the place and a 38 year old QB (37 last year) can't afford a RB at the number two pick, no matter how good he is.  By the time the Giants are good again you will have wasted Barkley's prime.  Collins should've been traded last year along with Harrison and Eli Apple - or franchised this year and either try to trade him or, heck, try to re-sign the guy (forget the 6 years, $84 mil headlines from Washington - the true contract is 3 / $45, which isn't cheap, but isn't outrageous either).




Don't disagree just think Barkley was to good to pass up. The only QB from that draft I'm sold on is Mayfield and he went one.


 Beckham no doubt a great talent but a major headcase and not a team player. One season they made the playoffs and how many drops did he have in that game after his trip to Miami. Barkley is the best player on the team. Brown is the best WR in football not Beckham.


 IMO it makes no sense to have Eli back. They are rebuilding. He makes 23 mil. He can't take a pay cut like Brady does? If they can get Rosen for a 3rd round pick do it and let Eli go. Find out what Rosen is. If not look for a QB next year if he doesn't show he's the QB of the future. This team needs players. Keep the 1st round picks. 




I'd be all in on Rosen too, especially if that rumored price (3rd round pick) is true.  Heck, I'd even consider a 2nd for him.  I just saw a mock draft that had them trade the #6 pick and the newly acquired Browns 1st round pick to move up to #2 to take Haskins after the Cardinals take Kyler Murray at 1.  The idea of doing that makes me want to vomit.  Haskins may turn out to be good, but you said it - they need to keep the picks and get two quality starters.  The draft is deep on defensive players supposedly, and we sure as heck could use one or two (or eight) of those.



If they get Rosen and he fails this year because either a) he isn't actually any good or b) the Giants situation is almost as bad as Arizona's last year, then they'll be picking at or near the top of next year's draft again anyway.  And then at that point you'll have your pick of Tua Tagovailoa (think he'd be a junior, so assuming he comes out), Justin Herbert, Jake Fromm, etc.


I'm a big fan of Eli Manning and appreciate all he's done for the team - but I can't take another year of him checking down to Barkley every other pass play next year. 




 Yea it's time. Eli is a good dude but now he's holding the team back. No way should he be getting 23 mil based on what he has done the last few years. Time to move on. I don't think the Giants have the guts to do it. 


 I agree about Haskins. Now way move up to gert him unless it's the 6th and a later round pick which I'm still not sure about.They have to have him rated higher then Rosen. I could see maybe getting a QB at 17 if they think Lock is good.


I saw one game of Herbert this year and he looked terrible.I know he has phsical tools but not sure of his makeup for NY. Fromm and Tua I like. 

3 months ago  ::  Mar 14, 2019 - 9:25AM #7
Lulu
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Great player, royal pain in the azz.
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