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1 year ago  ::  May 04, 2019 - 8:52PM #71
theseth
Posts: 839

I'll take Stroman, he's younger and has more upside, Happ is on the wrong side of 30 and Paxton is good when healthy, but not healthy for long enough!!  The Jays would be willing to move Stroman, right now in 2019 the salaries for Stroman and Andujar are: Andujar $617,600 and under control through 2023 and Stroman is $7.4M and a free agent at the end of 2020!!

1 year ago  ::  May 04, 2019 - 8:52PM #72
SSBob
Posts: 6,133

May 4, 2019 -- 8:33PM, newinn wrote:


May 4, 2019 -- 8:26PM, SSBob wrote:


May 4, 2019 -- 8:18PM, luvdayanks wrote:


May 4, 2019 -- 8:11PM, SSBob wrote:


May 4, 2019 -- 7:49PM, newinn wrote:


At the beginning of the season I said defense and pitching were my biggest concern. 




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I'll vouch that you did, indeed, say that.


If he's to be traded, he'll have value as a 1B if he continues to hit.







He'll  have value at 1B provided his defense is better than it is at 3B. At least at first he wouldn't  have to  throw across the diamond . 




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Converting from 3B to 1B isn't that big a deal. Obviously don't need to be as smooth, fielding & throwing. I'm pretty sure he can handle it.


Funny thing is...this time last year everyone was looking for a 1B who could hit. If Voit hadn't stepped up, I'd have no problem plugging Andujar in there.




I'm not sure. Right now he doesn't have good value at 1st because he's never played first. I think it would take a non contender looking to build to take a shot on him as a 1st baseman. Team is going to have to gamble that his shoulder will hold up. 


Boy do I dislike him at 3rd




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I'm not minimizing the talent and athleticism required to play 1B; there have been some great ones. Voit is not one of them, but I'm good with him there. I think Andujar would easily adapt to 1B, and would do at least as well defensively as Voit.

1 year ago  ::  May 04, 2019 - 8:53PM #73
theseth
Posts: 839

If you move Andujar to 1B, where does Voit go??

1 year ago  ::  May 04, 2019 - 9:04PM #74
SSBob
Posts: 6,133

May 4, 2019 -- 8:53PM, theseth wrote:


If you move Andujar to 1B, where does Voit go??




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No one's suggesting that. Trade value is the topic.

1 year ago  ::  May 04, 2019 - 9:09PM #75
luvdayanks
Posts: 28,145

May 4, 2019 -- 8:52PM, theseth wrote:


I'll take Stroman, he's younger and has more upside, Happ is on the wrong side of 30 and Paxton is good when healthy, but not healthy for long enough!!  The Jays would be willing to move Stroman, right now in 2019 the salaries for Stroman and Andujar are: Andujar $617,600 and under control through 2023 and Stroman is $7.4M and a free agent at the end of 2020!!




First of all, Stroman is going to  be  29, so he's not that much younger and second, you didn't answer the question  which you usually  don't and deflect  to another subject . What upside are you talking about? Once again, he's  5-13 the last 2 years. Third you'd  want  to trade straight up a younger player under control  until 2023 for a player that makes 10 times more and is a free agent next year? What  alternate  universe do you live in?

1 year ago  ::  May 04, 2019 - 9:22PM #76
theseth
Posts: 839

Either Stroman or Keuchel, but we need starting pitching for sure: you know darn right well guys like Sabathia, Paxton (these two already have/are) and Tanaka will each spend time on the IL in 2019...  The point is, we need better starting pitching, we have the offense when everyone's healthy, but we need the pitching!!

1 year ago  ::  May 04, 2019 - 9:53PM #77
manbot
Posts: 1,027

May 4, 2019 -- 5:35PM, TonyG4 wrote:


May 4, 2019 -- 3:30PM, luvdayanks wrote:


May 4, 2019 -- 3:25PM, TonyG4 wrote:


May 4, 2019 -- 3:16PM, SSBob wrote:


May 4, 2019 -- 3:15PM, TonyG4 wrote:

Well it seems like Andujar still has his defensive problems. And is a butcher at 3rd. I will take Gio Urshela gold glove at 3rd base over him any day.



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Gio's glove will be sorely missed...



When all the walking wounded And big bats are back healthy, Yankees are a much better team with Gio at 3rd base then Andujar. 




Then what do you do with Andujars bat, he wouldn't  get enough AB's from the DH spot ? They'll  probably  keep him at third and use Urshela as a late  inning defensive  replacement. That being said, Urshela has been pretty darn good with the bat too.



1- Like I said, defense is your best offense. When everyone comes back, we can afford to have Gio on 3rd instead of Andujar. 


Use Andujar as trade bait for a big time Ace on the mound, and DH him for now. 2 - Gio is no bum at the plate. If you look,at the pros and cons I think, Gio has the edge. You have to look at the big picture, when Judge and Stanton, DD, and others come back to the lineup. Offense is not the Yankees problem, defense is, especially on the mound. Just my thoughts.



1- You may have said that put you'd be completely wrong ... For example Andujar accounts for probably around 20x more offensive runs than defensive runs allowed 


2 - OK for the record ... Gio is a career .230 hitter with a .290 OBP and a .628 OPS in 190 games and almost 600 plate appearances. I guess It's possible but unlikely that he has all of a sudden become a .330 hitter with a .900 OPS ... but you seem to believe that.


So dont you think we could get a lot more in trade for the .330 hitting gold glove 3rd baseman than the injured DH 


1 year ago  ::  May 05, 2019 - 8:41AM #78
bumper
Posts: 7,962

where to start ...


trading andujar for a big-time ace. really?! what team is gonna give up their big-time ace for a poor fielding 3B with a ticking time bomb in his shoulder. love miggy but his stock has plummeted like the crash of '29. perhaps we could have gotten some value this off-season but not now.


they're not signing keuchel because happ has gotten off to a poor start. like it or not, they've made a 2-year commitment to him and they're not giving up after 3 or 4 bad starts. last year he came here and stabilized the staff with a 7-0 2.69ERA. over the last 3 seasons happ was 47-21 3.44ERA while keuchel was 35-28 3.77ERA with happ pitching in the tough AL east for the lousy blue jays while keuchel was pitching for the world champion astros. maybe happ has hit a wall at age 36 but there was little indication of that prior to this season.


in the off-season heard lots of cries to dump sanchez. get realmuto. pretty quiet now as sanchez has returned to the 2016 version. absolutely crushing.


fwiw after missing a month, yesterday was sort of like opening day or the first day of ST for andujar and this injury might have set back any progress he had made at 3B. maybe some patience is needed. guessing he DH's today.

1 year ago  ::  May 05, 2019 - 12:53PM #79
yank0428
Posts: 18,440

May 5, 2019 -- 8:41AM, bumper wrote:


where to start ...


trading andujar for a big-time ace. really?! what team is gonna give up their big-time ace for a poor fielding 3B with a ticking time bomb in his shoulder. love miggy but his stock has plummeted like the crash of '29. perhaps we could have gotten some value this off-season but not now.


they're not signing keuchel because happ has gotten off to a poor start. like it or not, they've made a 2-year commitment to him and they're not giving up after 3 or 4 bad starts. last year he came here and stabilized the staff with a 7-0 2.69ERA. over the last 3 seasons happ was 47-21 3.44ERA while keuchel was 35-28 3.77ERA with happ pitching in the tough AL east for the lousy blue jays while keuchel was pitching for the world champion astros. maybe happ has hit a wall at age 36 but there was little indication of that prior to this season.


in the off-season heard lots of cries to dump sanchez. get realmuto. pretty quiet now as sanchez has returned to the 2016 version. absolutely crushing.


fwiw after missing a month, yesterday was sort of like opening day or the first day of ST for andujar and this injury might have set back any progress he had made at 3B. maybe some patience is needed. guessing he DH's today.




They have to be patient but yesterday was not good. 2 errors first game back Every time he throws is a hold your breath moment. Seems like he's pushing the ball trying not to reinjure himself.Compounding that is how good Urshela and LeMahieu are with the glove. I think in the future he will have to change positions to capitalize on his bat. Either 1st ,DH or the OF but that's not happening here. Will be even more of a problem when DiDi gets back.


 With his bat though I wonder who going forward will put up the better numbers if they both stay healthy. Voit or Andujar. Voit better power, Andujar better avg . Hate to see him traded with his diminished value but he could still get a decent return if he shows he's healthy.I think something has be done before Didi comes back. Teams pay for a Cruz and Encarcion to DH. 

1 year ago  ::  May 05, 2019 - 1:29PM #80
luvdayanks
Posts: 28,145

May 5, 2019 -- 8:41AM, bumper wrote:


where to start ...


trading andujar for a big-time ace. really?! what team is gonna give up their big-time ace for a poor fielding 3B with a ticking time bomb in his shoulder. love miggy but his stock has plummeted like the crash of '29. perhaps we could have gotten some value this off-season but not now.


they're not signing keuchel because happ has gotten off to a poor start. like it or not, they've made a 2-year commitment to him and they're not giving up after 3 or 4 bad starts. last year he came here and stabilized the staff with a 7-0 2.69ERA. over the last 3 seasons happ was 47-21 3.44ERA while keuchel was 35-28 3.77ERA with happ pitching in the tough AL east for the lousy blue jays while keuchel was pitching for the world champion astros. maybe happ has hit a wall at age 36 but there was little indication of that prior to this season.


in the off-season heard lots of cries to dump sanchez. get realmuto. pretty quiet now as sanchez has returned to the 2016 version. absolutely crushing.


fwiw after missing a month, yesterday was sort of like opening day or the first day of ST for andujar and this injury might have set back any progress he had made at 3B. maybe some patience is needed. guessing he DH's today.




Pretty  much what I said to this  delusional poster. Can you just see the GM's out there  Bumper, lining up saying hey let's  go trade for a good hitting, poor defensive player coming off a shoulder injury and give them [insert ace] in return? Uhhh no.

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