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Stanton ...with no set backs
4 months ago  ::  May 22, 2019 - 8:38AM #31
njyf
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May 22, 2019 -- 8:20AM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


May 22, 2019 -- 8:17AM, njyf wrote:


May 22, 2019 -- 8:15AM, louisiana_lightning wrote:

Around here is where the stat padder unclutch talk usually starts. You could argue that Frazier’s second home run yesterday wasn’t clutch but I would say it was very clutch. The fact we were able to use Hale for 4 innings in a laugher and give the big guns in the pen the night off without so much as a warm up will pay dividends down the road over a 162 game season.


Except Frazier is clutch. His first homerun was hit when the game was still very close.




That wasn’t my point.  What about the scenario I mentioned?



If you are going to use that argument (saving the bullpen), then almost all homeruns hit regardless of situation is clutch but we all know that can't be true. There are always at bats during a game that is more critical than others.


And as for Frazier, yes the second homerun can qualify as stad padding but the difference is that he hit one before when it wasn't stat padding. Stanton on the other hand, seem to specialize in the stat padding variety.

4 months ago  ::  May 22, 2019 - 8:40AM #32
njyf
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May 22, 2019 -- 8:33AM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


May 22, 2019 -- 8:25AM, njyf wrote:


For $180 million (keep in mind this was 2009 dollars, today that would easily be 200+M) I would hope that we can get an 800 OPS firstbaseman for a few years. Fact is, outside of 2009 and maybe parts of a few years, he did not live up to his contract and was really a disappointment for most Yankee fans.




They are not machines.  Hindsight is 20/20 and there was definitely a steep drop off during the Drew/Roberts years at 2B after Cano before we were blessed with Torres and LeMahieu.



And if we signed Cano to his huge contract, then we wouldn't have Torres and LeMahieu. How many potential quality firstbasemens did we pass on because we had Tex?

4 months ago  ::  May 22, 2019 - 9:49AM #33
Stewie
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May 22, 2019 -- 7:59AM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


May 22, 2019 -- 7:53AM, Stewie wrote:


May 22, 2019 -- 7:40AM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


There was no brief peak for Stanton and he will be productive for several more seasons.


Remember when Theo and the Red Sox thought they could Institute a no contract over 4 seasons policy and still get free agents during their peak years?  You are competing for talent with 29 other organizations and someone is going to flinch.  Stanton is not an albatross, at least not for several more seasons.




You can't know that. What we do know is that he has almost 10 seasons left on his contract and he is fast approaching 30, I wouldn't give a 10-year deal to Mike Trout.  No contracts past age 35 is my mantra and I'll stick to it every time, no matter who the player is. Oh, and Stanton will be an albatross, bet on it. It's just a matter of when. BTW, it's almost June and he has 8 ABs this season. He is expected to be back in the lineup sometime next month (if he doesn't incur ANOTHER secondary injury before then), and who knows how long before he's up to speed to perform at a high level in major league competition? I see a LOT of strikeouts in his future. That's kinda albatrossy already for 2019.




Then you simply wouldn’t be able to make a competitive offer for a Trout caliber player.


If you can’t admit he would provide more production than Tauchman, Maybin, Gardner, or Morales upon his return then you are really biased against him.




(Sigh) I will try to explain this one more time. I am not objecting to any player or any salary. Your intimations notwithstanding, I didn't ever say or imply that I thought Stanton would not outproduce his erstwhile replacement this season. He may, and then again he may not. He may go on an insane tear and hit 10 HRs a month when he returns. We just don't know. Or...he may be a complete bust and/or re-injure himself. We just don't know. The one thing we do know about, the one factor that is immutable, is time. Guaranteeing 13 or 12 or 11 or 10 years to any player is, in the long run, dumb. I want every player to get every penny he can squeeze out of management. But I want management to be smart when it comes down to the length of the contracts they offer.

4 months ago  ::  May 22, 2019 - 9:55AM #34
manbot
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May 22, 2019 -- 12:25AM, jimwest wrote:









How did he get hit by a picth earlier in the week ...he wasnt even playing in games until 2 days ago ???? 


Did the BP pitcher peg him ?

4 months ago  ::  May 22, 2019 - 9:58AM #35
manbot
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May 22, 2019 -- 7:40AM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


There was no brief peak for Stanton and he will be productive for several more seasons.


Remember when Theo and the Red Sox thought they could Institute a no contract over 4 seasons policy and still get free agents during their peak years?  You are competing for talent with 29 other organizations and someone is going to flinch.  Stanton is not an albatross, at least not for several more seasons.




If there are 29 teams intersted in Stanton ...why is he still on our team? 


4 months ago  ::  May 22, 2019 - 10:37AM #36
RobS44
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May 22, 2019 -- 9:58AM, manbot wrote:


May 22, 2019 -- 7:40AM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


There was no brief peak for Stanton and he will be productive for several more seasons.


Remember when Theo and the Red Sox thought they could Institute a no contract over 4 seasons policy and still get free agents during their peak years?  You are competing for talent with 29 other organizations and someone is going to flinch.  Stanton is not an albatross, at least not for several more seasons.




If there are 29 teams intersted in Stanton ...why is he still on our team? 





He did not say that 29 teams were intersted in Stanton, he said that the Yanks are competing with 29 other teams for free agent talent.  Though, in reality, for the big name, big money FAs they are likely competing with no more than 5 or 6 other teams.

4 months ago  ::  May 22, 2019 - 10:40AM #37
RobS44
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May 22, 2019 -- 7:40AM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


There was no brief peak for Stanton and he will be productive for several more seasons.


Remember when Theo and the Red Sox thought they could Institute a no contract over 4 seasons policy and still get free agents during their peak years?  You are competing for talent with 29 other organizations and someone is going to flinch.  Stanton is not an albatross, at least not for several more seasons.




I think the jury is still out on that.  It is only one plus seasons so far, but if he is going to spend 1 - 2 months on he IL each season AND lead them to trade Frasier, then, yes, he could be an albatross.

4 months ago  ::  May 22, 2019 - 4:47PM #38
Raymond757
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Another set back was announced today...calf tightness
4 months ago  ::  May 22, 2019 - 5:22PM #39
laurenfrances
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Stanton leaves rehab assignment with new calf injury




4 months ago  ::  May 22, 2019 - 6:59PM #40
RobS44
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May 22, 2019 -- 5:22PM, laurenfrances wrote:


Stanton leaves rehab assignment with new calf injury







Looks like Fraser is safe for at leat another monti

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