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Verlander accusing MLB of juicing balls on purpose
1 year ago  ::  Jul 08, 2019 - 5:45PM #1
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"It's a f---ing joke," said Verlander, an eight-time All-Star who is starting his second All-Star Game on Tuesday. "Major League Baseball's turning this game into a joke. They own Rawlings, and you've got Manfred up here saying it might be the way they center the pill. They own the f---ing company. If any other $40 billion company bought out a $400 million company and the product changed dramatically, it's not a guess as to what happened. We all know what happened. Manfred the first time he came in, what'd he say? He said we want more offense. All of a sudden he comes in, the balls are juiced? It's not coincidence. We're not idiots."

1 year ago  ::  Jul 08, 2019 - 6:46PM #2
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So? It's their game, it's their balls. They can do whatever they see fit. Where does it say that the baseball has to stay the same as before? If baseball feels the game needs an injection of offense, then that's their right. As long as the balls are the same for everybody, it should not be a problem.

1 year ago  ::  Jul 08, 2019 - 7:29PM #3
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Jul 8, 2019 -- 6:46PM, njyf wrote:

So? It's their game, it's their balls. They can do whatever they see fit. Where does it say that the baseball has to stay the same as before? If baseball feels the game needs an injection of offense, then that's their right. As long as the balls are the same for everybody, it should not be a problem.

    Juiced baseballs have been part of the game since Babe Ruth was a kid. But MLB owes it to players and fans to be honest. If it jacked up balls on purpose, say so. The integrity of the game is important. Add to that, someone in an infield somewhere is going to get killed by the exit velocities that are being achieved by so many batters. 

1 year ago  ::  Jul 08, 2019 - 8:35PM #4
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It isn't only the ball. People have complained about baseballs for decades. There are no secrets. Anyone, any player, and reporter, has access to all the game balls they could want. They could easily have these balls dissected and analyzed. It's not the balls. Sometimes some controversies are invented for the sole purpose of increasing chatter and interest in something. Media attention is good for business. The old hollywood saw, "The only bad publicity is no publicity".

More pitchers than ever before are throwing 99-100 mph fastballs. Twenty years ago it was a rarity for a bullpen to have one guy who could throw 98 mph. Now, every bullpen has two or three guys who can throw 98 mph or faster. Also, twenty years ago nearly every hitter was swinging an ash wood bat. These days it seems that nearly every player uses the lighter but harder maple wood bat, resulting in faster swings and more energy imparted from the bat to the ball. Twenty years ago, there were no TV broadcasts or tablet or phone apps that delivered realtime pitch location overlayed on a strikezone box.  These days, every stadium has a vast array of missle tracking apparatuses (Statcast) that scan every movement of all moving things on the field in exquisitie detail and from every angle, resulting in umpires calling a very tight and accurate strike zone as compared to the widely fluctuating strike zone of many years ago.

There is a far greater number of pitchers who are throwing faster than ever. Hitters are swinging faster than ever using harder bats. Pitchers are being forced to throw more strikes because there are very few pitcher-friendly umpires with large strike zones now. The result is more hitters are taking better swings, making better contact with a faster pitch on a harder bat. An increase in HRs is hardly surprising. Simply raise the mound back to pre-1968 levels. Also, start teaching pitchers to be great intimidators again, throwing inside more often, throwing wild more often, hitting guys more often. That's how pitchers stopped hitters from taking big, comfortable swings. Randy Johnson and Roger Clemens were perhaps the last of their kind.

1 year ago  ::  Jul 08, 2019 - 10:18PM #5
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I agree that there are so many variables to consider. It seems very simplistic and lazy to accuse the ball. It's not a conspiracy; anyone can buy and dissect a ball as they please.

I'd like to see a multivariable study conducted taking into account ALL aspects of the game. Bat type, launch angle, pitcher velocity, the ball, etc. Then we'll have an answer. Seems like it's easier (in terms of media marketing) to make a scapegoat of the ball than to have a serious, complex study and discussion about it.

And screw Verlander, lmao. I hope he gets flubber balls to pitch with.

1 year ago  ::  Jul 08, 2019 - 11:05PM #6
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MLB can and will do what they want to create the game as they want it. If the balls are juiced to generate more offense, so be it.

Before the 1969 season, in response to the putrid batting averages and offense of the 1968 season, MLB lowered the pitching mound from 15 inches to 10 inches.

From the article link below:

"The mound was originally placed at an elevation 15 inches higher than home plate. But after a 1968 season in which the Major League earned run average was 2.98 -- the lowest in 50 years, and the 14th-lowest season ERA since 1901 -- it was lowered to 10 inches.

Seven pitchers who qualified for the ERA title had an ERA below 2.00 that season, led by Bob Gibson of the St. Louis Cardinals, whose 1.12 ERA was the third-lowest since 1900. Dutch Leonard compiled a 0.96 ERA with the '14 Boston Braves, and Mordecai "Three Finger" Brown had a 1.04 ERA for the '06 Chicago Cubs.

Some in the medical field contend that the raised elevation creates an extra stress on the pitcher's arm. Supporters of lowering the mound point out that the longevity of a pitching career has extended since dropping the mound from 15 inches to 10 inches, and that could be enhanced by an ever bigger drop in the elevation.

There have been 29 pitchers who have pitched in at least 22 big league seasons since 1901, and 24 of them spent the bulk of their career in the big leagues after 1969, including all 10 pitchers who had careers of 24 seasons or longer.

Nolan Ryan is the ironman among pitchers with a 27-year career. Tommy John rebounded from the elbow surgery since named after him so well that he pitched 26 seasons in the big leagues - including 14 after the procedure. Jamie Moyer, Jim Kaat and Charlie Hough each pitched in 25 big league seasons. Jesse Orosco, Steve Carlton, Dennis Eckersley, Roger Clemens and Phil Niekro all pitched 24 seasons.

Pitchers may have longer careers now, but the workload is more spread out than in the past.

During the era of the 15-inch mound, when four-man rotations were the norm, it was not uncommon for league leaders to have well over 300 innings pitched. There has not been a pitcher work 300 innings in a season since 1980, when Carlton tossed 304.

The era of the lowered mound, however, has led to increases in career workloads. Walter Johnson is the game's modern (since 1900) all-time leader in innings pitched with 5,914 1/3 during his 21-year career from 1907-27. The next four on the list, however, pitched the bulk of their career after the mound was lowered: Neikro (5,404 1/3), Ryan (5,386), Gaylord Perry (5,350) and Don Sutton (5,282 1/3).

However, only four pitchers whose careers began in the 1980s are among the top 55 all-time in innings pitched: Greg Maddux (ninth, 5,008 1/3); Clemens (11th, 4,196 2/3), Tom Glavine, 21st (4,413 1/3); Randy Johnson (26th, 4,135 1/3) and Moyer (28th, 4,074)

What can't be disputed is that the lower mound does favor offenses.

Since the mound was lowered in 1969, the composite ERA for Major League pitchers has been 4.06. The composite ERA from '47-'68 was 3.79, and from '61-68 it was 3.53.

Six of the eight lowest season ERAs in the expansion era (since 1961) came in the eight years prior to 1969, led by the 2.98 MLB-wide mark in 1968."

1 year ago  ::  Jul 09, 2019 - 8:31AM #7
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The players are also is what it is...get over it!
1 year ago  ::  Jul 09, 2019 - 9:42AM #8
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Jul 9, 2019 -- 8:31AM, Lola wrote:

The players are also is what it is...get over it!


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1 year ago  ::  Jul 09, 2019 - 5:03PM #9
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    Here is a good read that gives a little different perspective on the subject of pitch velocity in today's game. There are lots of articles on the subject, but too many get too technical for the average guy.

1 year ago  ::  Jul 09, 2019 - 5:31PM #10
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Tampa beat us 2-1 on Sunday...I guess they used some all balls! Lol.
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