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Stroman going to the Mets...
1 year ago  ::  Jul 30, 2019 - 9:24AM #61
laurenfrances
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Bordie traded for Stroman so the market on desirable starters of contending teams have to up the ante in pursuing Thor/Wheeler. This enables Mets to squeeze for higher returns in trades


Why Jays are satisfied with back end rotation pitching prospects in this trade is a head scatcher. Jays could have gotten much more from contending teams. Jays helped Mets without getting much in return. Jays fan base should be irate about now.

1 year ago  ::  Jul 30, 2019 - 10:27AM #62
felipe27point5
Posts: 2,645

Jul 30, 2019 -- 5:05AM, qwik3457 wrote:


Jul 29, 2019 -- 4:57PM, felipe27point5 wrote:


Jul 29, 2019 -- 4:57PM, mscamaguey wrote:


I think the Mets did it to s......w the Yanks because everyone was saying Yanks were very interested. Stroman was the loser.




That's a terrible way to run your organization, if true




Well, it's generally acknowledged that the Mets are a terribly run organization, so that fits.


They shouldn't be doing things for reasons like that, but if you're asking me if it's possible....yes, it's possible. A little over 15 years ago, the D'backs put Schilling on the market, and demanded a much higher price in prospects from the Yankees than they accepted from the Red Sox. The reason was different, but teams do occasionally stiff themselves over a perceived slight or wrongdoing by another organization. It happens. And that's apart from not wanted to help a divisional rival who has a huge advantage in resources already.The Jays have more justification in not wanting Stroman to pitch against them 4-5 times a season, and because they may feel that Stroman was hinting he wanted to be traded to the Yankees. So they gave him what he seemed to want: New York. Just not the way he wanted it.




That's quite a bit different from a 2 year commitment to a player to keep him away from a team you face 4 games a season in a different league

You are welcome to recall my posts when it becomes that i'm proven wrong as long as we judge it on the merits of what we knew to be true at the time it was posted.
1 year ago  ::  Jul 30, 2019 - 12:53PM #63
qwik3457
Posts: 11,989

Jul 30, 2019 -- 10:27AM, felipe27point5 wrote:


Jul 30, 2019 -- 5:05AM, qwik3457 wrote:


Jul 29, 2019 -- 4:57PM, felipe27point5 wrote:


Jul 29, 2019 -- 4:57PM, mscamaguey wrote:


I think the Mets did it to s......w the Yanks because everyone was saying Yanks were very interested. Stroman was the loser.




That's a terrible way to run your organization, if true




Well, it's generally acknowledged that the Mets are a terribly run organization, so that fits.


They shouldn't be doing things for reasons like that, but if you're asking me if it's possible....yes, it's possible. A little over 15 years ago, the D'backs put Schilling on the market, and demanded a much higher price in prospects from the Yankees than they accepted from the Red Sox. The reason was different, but teams do occasionally stiff themselves over a perceived slight or wrongdoing by another organization. It happens. And that's apart from not wanted to help a divisional rival who has a huge advantage in resources already.The Jays have more justification in not wanting Stroman to pitch against them 4-5 times a season, and because they may feel that Stroman was hinting he wanted to be traded to the Yankees. So they gave him what he seemed to want: New York. Just not the way he wanted it.




That's quite a bit different from a 2 year commitment to a player to keep him away from a team you face 4 games a season in a different league




Well, actually, the Mets are on the winning side in the trade according to most observers, so that part of my comment actually applies more to the Jays, though I didn't make it clear. It was the D'backs who gave up the valuable player for the lesser prospects, just as it's the Jays doing so now.


But as to  the Mets, why wouldn't they trade two prospects of moderate value for Stroman, especially if they can hurt the Yankees as an added bonus?


And after I wrote this, I saw an analysis of the two prospects at Fangraphs saying maybe the Jays didn't do all that badly after all.

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1 year ago  ::  Jul 30, 2019 - 1:27PM #64
felipe27point5
Posts: 2,645

Jul 30, 2019 -- 12:53PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Jul 30, 2019 -- 10:27AM, felipe27point5 wrote:


Jul 30, 2019 -- 5:05AM, qwik3457 wrote:


Jul 29, 2019 -- 4:57PM, felipe27point5 wrote:


Jul 29, 2019 -- 4:57PM, mscamaguey wrote:


I think the Mets did it to s......w the Yanks because everyone was saying Yanks were very interested. Stroman was the loser.




That's a terrible way to run your organization, if true




Well, it's generally acknowledged that the Mets are a terribly run organization, so that fits.


They shouldn't be doing things for reasons like that, but if you're asking me if it's possible....yes, it's possible. A little over 15 years ago, the D'backs put Schilling on the market, and demanded a much higher price in prospects from the Yankees than they accepted from the Red Sox. The reason was different, but teams do occasionally stiff themselves over a perceived slight or wrongdoing by another organization. It happens. And that's apart from not wanted to help a divisional rival who has a huge advantage in resources already.The Jays have more justification in not wanting Stroman to pitch against them 4-5 times a season, and because they may feel that Stroman was hinting he wanted to be traded to the Yankees. So they gave him what he seemed to want: New York. Just not the way he wanted it.




That's quite a bit different from a 2 year commitment to a player to keep him away from a team you face 4 games a season in a different league




Well, actually, the Mets are on the winning side in the trade according to most observers, so that part of my comment actually applies more to the Jays, though I didn't make it clear. It was the D'backs who gave up the valuable player for the lesser prospects, just as it's the Jays doing so now.


But as to  the Mets, why wouldn't they trade two prospects of moderate value for Stroman, especially if they can hurt the Yankees as an added bonus?


And after I wrote this, I saw an analysis of the two prospects at Fangraphs saying maybe the Jays didn't do all that badly after all.




I used to be steadfast in my belief that you build your roster for your team and who cares what the other teams do. I've softened on that some because it's a matter of fact that you have to navigate the season and face your rivals in the playoffs. If the Jays trade Stroman to the Yankees because the Yankees have the best package, that's this year and next year the Jays will have to compete against Stroman in their push to the playoffs. However, it's likely they won't be contenders in either year, so the negative effects of trading stroman to a rival don't really factor in.


A few years ago when it was the arms race at the deadline, the Tigers landed Price and Billy Bean sent Dombrowski a text saying "you gave me only a minute to get Chris Sale." That makes sense too because these are rivals who are expecting to play each other in the playoffs. If the Yankees made a move with an eye on the Twins lineup, or a pitcher to matchup against the Astros, or a 'Loogy' to match up against a particular batter on one of their teams, that makes sense because those are the teams you have to beat to win it all.


For the Mets to make a move to screw with the Yankees is kind of stupid. I get the cross town rival thing, but they don't face each other. Regardless of who the Yankees do or don't add, the Yankees are going to the playoffs and the Mets this year aren't. They aren't stealing headlines, and if they think "this will hurt their chances at winning the world series" they're technically right but the tournament that is playoff baseball has long odds for a team anyways.


If it's a move to check off baseball reasons for making the move, great. If it's baseball reasons and it has the added benefit of hurting the Yankees - whatever, you do you Mets. But if hurting the Yankees is a driver to make the move, that's stupid - albeit still on brand for the Mets

You are welcome to recall my posts when it becomes that i'm proven wrong as long as we judge it on the merits of what we knew to be true at the time it was posted.
1 year ago  ::  Aug 11, 2019 - 9:58AM #65
bumper
Posts: 7,127

so far stroman struggling with the red hot mets w a 6 ERA and 2 WHIP in 2 starts.

1 year ago  ::  Aug 11, 2019 - 10:02AM #66
louisiana_lightning
Posts: 19,175

Aug 11, 2019 -- 9:58AM, bumper wrote:


so far stroman struggling with the red hot mets w a 6 ERA and 2 WHIP in 2 starts.




Don't forget we needed Dallas Keuchel and his 3-5, 4.83 ERA, 1.358 WHIP.  

1 year ago  ::  Aug 11, 2019 - 10:07AM #67
bumper
Posts: 7,127

Aug 11, 2019 -- 10:02AM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Aug 11, 2019 -- 9:58AM, bumper wrote:


so far stroman struggling with the red hot mets w a 6 ERA and 2 WHIP in 2 starts.




Don't forget we needed Dallas Keuchel and his 3-5, 4.83 ERA, 1.358 WHIP.  




yup he'd fit right in here. really got rocked in his last start against the marlins.

1 year ago  ::  Aug 11, 2019 - 12:13PM #68
njyf
Posts: 1,048

Aug 11, 2019 -- 9:58AM, bumper wrote:


so far stroman struggling with the red hot mets w a 6 ERA and 2 WHIP in 2 starts.



Thank god Cashman didn't pay the hefty price Toronto was asking for.

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