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Joel Sherman: Yanks not happy.
12 months ago  ::  Jul 30, 2019 - 1:47PM #1
chl45
Posts: 1,654

According to the latest trade info Sherman was just on MLB network and said, and I paraphrase...The Yankees are not happy with the way the last 24 hours have gone. They would rather have Bauer but Sherman feels he won't be available until the offseason. Yanks have been steady talking to the D'backs about Rob Ray but the Yanks would rather have Bauer. Yankees are concerned about Rays control issues. Pitching control, not contract control.



Yanks also feel that Ray would not make that big a difference to enhance the pitching staff we have but talks with the D'backs still on going. I agree that Ray won't make that big a difference. Everything everywhere still moving very slow and what there is, is still on hold. Just thought I would pass that info along.




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12 months ago  ::  Jul 30, 2019 - 1:52PM #2
felipe27point5
Posts: 2,645

I don't disagree with that assessment. This is shaping up to be a really boring trade deadline. There just aren't even intriguing pieces out there

You are welcome to recall my posts when it becomes that i'm proven wrong as long as we judge it on the merits of what we knew to be true at the time it was posted.
12 months ago  ::  Jul 30, 2019 - 1:55PM #3
chl45
Posts: 1,654

Jul 30, 2019 -- 1:52PM, felipe27point5 wrote:


I don't disagree with that assessment. This is shaping up to be a really boring trade deadline. There just aren't even intriguing pieces out there




Well I keep waiting to hear about a Cashman Ninja deal to pop up out of nowhere but even that seems like a long shot at this point. As you say nothing worth much out there.

you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
12 months ago  ::  Jul 30, 2019 - 2:02PM #4
felipe27point5
Posts: 2,645

Jul 30, 2019 -- 1:55PM, chl45 wrote:


Jul 30, 2019 -- 1:52PM, felipe27point5 wrote:


I don't disagree with that assessment. This is shaping up to be a really boring trade deadline. There just aren't even intriguing pieces out there




Well I keep waiting to hear about a Cashman Ninja deal to pop up out of nowhere but even that seems like a long shot at this point. As you say nothing worth much out there.




I really trust that cashman is going to make a move, and it's probably going to be the kind of move that makes us go "Uhhh....?" but still work out in the end. I'm feeling a Shawn Chacon/Kerry Wood type of move coming.


As far as the routine no brainer trade to make - trading for a David Price or a Jon Lester type of a trade - it just doesn't exist on the market. Stroman is probably the closest to that, but i wouldn't call stroman an ace. I don't think there's an ace to be had, and in actuality the amount of actual aces in the game seems to be in serious decline. 


I do think a trade will be made though. There's somewhere a piece that'll help the team and send the message to the clubhouse that "we're adding, and we're going for it"


Betances and Severino will probably be the biggest impact pieces added. I don't care if it takes them the month of september to get to being valuable pieces, if they're performing October 1 and onwards that's when we need them

You are welcome to recall my posts when it becomes that i'm proven wrong as long as we judge it on the merits of what we knew to be true at the time it was posted.
12 months ago  ::  Jul 30, 2019 - 2:03PM #5
yank0428
Posts: 18,136

Jul 30, 2019 -- 1:47PM, chl45 wrote:


According to the latest trade info Sherman was just on MLB network and said, and I paraphrase...The Yankees are not happy with the way the last 24 hours have gone. They would rather have Bauer but Sherman feels he won't be available until the offseason. Yanks have been steady talking to the D'backs about Rob Ray but the Yanks would rather have Bauer. Yankees are concerned about Rays control issues. Pitching control, not contract control.



Yanks also feel that Ray would not make that big a difference to enhance the pitching staff we have but talks with the D'backs still on going. I agree that Ray won't make that big a difference. Everything everywhere still moving very slow and what there is, is still on hold. Just thought I would pass that info along.







I'd be happy with Ray if the price is right instead of getting ripped off by a team.


Bauer would be my first choice if available since I don't think Baumganer is but I think the price will be real high. 


Ray has decent numbers. 129 innings pitcher. 173 Ks. 110 hits. 230 BA against. Control is the concern but a big arm.

12 months ago  ::  Jul 30, 2019 - 2:12PM #6
cleanuphtr12
Posts: 1,272

Jul 30, 2019 -- 2:03PM, yank0428 wrote:


Jul 30, 2019 -- 1:47PM, chl45 wrote:


According to the latest trade info Sherman was just on MLB network and said, and I paraphrase...The Yankees are not happy with the way the last 24 hours have gone. They would rather have Bauer but Sherman feels he won't be available until the offseason. Yanks have been steady talking to the D'backs about Rob Ray but the Yanks would rather have Bauer. Yankees are concerned about Rays control issues. Pitching control, not contract control.



Yanks also feel that Ray would not make that big a difference to enhance the pitching staff we have but talks with the D'backs still on going. I agree that Ray won't make that big a difference. Everything everywhere still moving very slow and what there is, is still on hold. Just thought I would pass that info along.







I'd be happy with Ray if the price is right instead of getting ripped off by a team.


Bauer would be my first choice if available since I don't think Baumganer is but I think the price will be real high. 


Ray has decent numbers. 129 innings pitcher. 173 Ks. 110 hits. 230 BA against. Control is the concern but a big arm.




I'd be happy with Ray too.  There really isn't an ace available unless Bauer is moved or the Mets decide to play nice with their big brothers.  


With that in mind, I think you're looking for a player who can be your 2018 Nate Eovaldi, as opposed to your 2017 Justin Verlander.  Find a guy with great stuff and hope he gets hot at the right time.  



Passing on Corbin in the offseason was a huge mistake.

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12 months ago  ::  Jul 30, 2019 - 2:30PM #7
chl45
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Jul 30, 2019 -- 2:12PM, cleanuphtr12 wrote:


Jul 30, 2019 -- 2:03PM, yank0428 wrote:


Jul 30, 2019 -- 1:47PM, chl45 wrote:


According to the latest trade info Sherman was just on MLB network and said, and I paraphrase...The Yankees are not happy with the way the last 24 hours have gone. They would rather have Bauer but Sherman feels he won't be available until the offseason. Yanks have been steady talking to the D'backs about Rob Ray but the Yanks would rather have Bauer. Yankees are concerned about Rays control issues. Pitching control, not contract control.



Yanks also feel that Ray would not make that big a difference to enhance the pitching staff we have but talks with the D'backs still on going. I agree that Ray won't make that big a difference. Everything everywhere still moving very slow and what there is, is still on hold. Just thought I would pass that info along.







I'd be happy with Ray if the price is right instead of getting ripped off by a team.


Bauer would be my first choice if available since I don't think Baumganer is but I think the price will be real high. 


Ray has decent numbers. 129 innings pitcher. 173 Ks. 110 hits. 230 BA against. Control is the concern but a big arm.




I'd be happy with Ray too.  There really isn't an ace available unless Bauer is moved or the Mets decide to play nice with their big brothers.  


With that in mind, I think you're looking for a player who can be your 2018 Nate Eovaldi, as opposed to your 2017 Justin Verlander.  Find a guy with great stuff and hope he gets hot at the right time.  



Passing on Corbin in the offseason was a huge mistake.




I do understand Cashmans hesitation. He feels if he gets Ray and Ray has control issues that get worse in NY, because it's NY, he will be hung at high noon by the fans. If he does nothing, (IMO most likely the scenerio) the fans will get restless and feel he isn't trying to improve a weakness we have. I agree about Corbin. Anyway, so,damned if he does, damned if he don't. Ray...is he better than nothing? Hard to say, I am still hopefull on a Ninja deal.Wink 

you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
12 months ago  ::  Jul 30, 2019 - 2:36PM #8
hampfan
Posts: 3,537


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I'd be happy with Ray too.  There really isn't an ace available unless Bauer is moved or the Mets decide to play nice with their big brothers.  


With that in mind, I think you're looking for a player who can be your 2018 Nate Eovaldi, as opposed to your 2017 Justin Verlander.  Find a guy with great stuff and hope he gets hot at the right time. 


Passing on Corbin in the offseason was a huge mistake.


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I agree about Corbin. Missing out on Stroman was a big Ouch, though, esp. since the Mets got him. Stroman's the kind of RH pitcher ground-ball-type pitcher we need to pitch for us in YS. I'm wary of going after another LH starter like Ray. Two in our starting rotation seems enough to me, but I guess since Happ and Paxton haven't delivered and Rothschild can't "fix" them (and CC's hit the aged body wall) . . . well, then, why not, as long as the price is right.

12 months ago  ::  Jul 30, 2019 - 2:42PM #9
yank0428
Posts: 18,136

Jul 30, 2019 -- 2:12PM, cleanuphtr12 wrote:


Jul 30, 2019 -- 2:03PM, yank0428 wrote:


Jul 30, 2019 -- 1:47PM, chl45 wrote:


According to the latest trade info Sherman was just on MLB network and said, and I paraphrase...The Yankees are not happy with the way the last 24 hours have gone. They would rather have Bauer but Sherman feels he won't be available until the offseason. Yanks have been steady talking to the D'backs about Rob Ray but the Yanks would rather have Bauer. Yankees are concerned about Rays control issues. Pitching control, not contract control.



Yanks also feel that Ray would not make that big a difference to enhance the pitching staff we have but talks with the D'backs still on going. I agree that Ray won't make that big a difference. Everything everywhere still moving very slow and what there is, is still on hold. Just thought I would pass that info along.







I'd be happy with Ray if the price is right instead of getting ripped off by a team.


Bauer would be my first choice if available since I don't think Baumganer is but I think the price will be real high. 


Ray has decent numbers. 129 innings pitcher. 173 Ks. 110 hits. 230 BA against. Control is the concern but a big arm.




I'd be happy with Ray too.  There really isn't an ace available unless Bauer is moved or the Mets decide to play nice with their big brothers.  


With that in mind, I think you're looking for a player who can be your 2018 Nate Eovaldi, as opposed to your 2017 Justin Verlander.  Find a guy with great stuff and hope he gets hot at the right time.  



Passing on Corbin in the offseason was a huge mistake.




Yes it was. I agree about the Evo comparison. I don't know about Rays makeup. Hopefully tougher then Paxton appears to be. 


 I was checking out Gerrit Coles contract and it looks like he can be a free agent after this season unless I'm missing something. They should be all in. Don't make the same mistake twice. Hitting can get a team into the playoffs. Pitching will win it.

12 months ago  ::  Jul 30, 2019 - 3:22PM #10
Max
Posts: 4,609

Jul 30, 2019 -- 2:42PM, yank0428 wrote:


Jul 30, 2019 -- 2:12PM, cleanuphtr12 wrote:


Jul 30, 2019 -- 2:03PM, yank0428 wrote:


Jul 30, 2019 -- 1:47PM, chl45 wrote:


According to the latest trade info Sherman was just on MLB network and said, and I paraphrase...The Yankees are not happy with the way the last 24 hours have gone. They would rather have Bauer but Sherman feels he won't be available until the offseason. Yanks have been steady talking to the D'backs about Rob Ray but the Yanks would rather have Bauer. Yankees are concerned about Rays control issues. Pitching control, not contract control.



Yanks also feel that Ray would not make that big a difference to enhance the pitching staff we have but talks with the D'backs still on going. I agree that Ray won't make that big a difference. Everything everywhere still moving very slow and what there is, is still on hold. Just thought I would pass that info along.







I'd be happy with Ray if the price is right instead of getting ripped off by a team.


Bauer would be my first choice if available since I don't think Baumganer is but I think the price will be real high. 


Ray has decent numbers. 129 innings pitcher. 173 Ks. 110 hits. 230 BA against. Control is the concern but a big arm.




I'd be happy with Ray too.  There really isn't an ace available unless Bauer is moved or the Mets decide to play nice with their big brothers.  


With that in mind, I think you're looking for a player who can be your 2018 Nate Eovaldi, as opposed to your 2017 Justin Verlander.  Find a guy with great stuff and hope he gets hot at the right time.  



Passing on Corbin in the offseason was a huge mistake.




Yes it was. I agree about the Evo comparison. I don't know about Rays makeup. Hopefully tougher then Paxton appears to be. 


 I was checking out Gerrit Coles contract and it looks like he can be a free agent after this season unless I'm missing something. They should be all in. Don't make the same mistake twice. Hitting can get a team into the playoffs. Pitching will win it.




You're not missing anything my friend, Cole is a free agent after the season. When judging a Pitcher I like to look at a pitcher's K's per innings pitched and his Hits to Innings pitched.


That said, I would like to see the Yankees trade for Ray a little bit more than I want them to trade for Bauer. In a dream world I'd like to see them trade for the two of them. 

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