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12 months ago  ::  Aug 29, 2019 - 3:37PM #51
laurenfrances
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Aug 29, 2019 -- 3:19PM, Max wrote:


Aug 28, 2019 -- 10:27PM, laurenfrances wrote:


Biden spoke 90 mins on the record with reporters.  He said, the choice of a running mate should align with his moderate sensibilites...someone in alliance with his ideas to trust and carry out goverance with unison.  From that statement, someone with progressive ideology would not be be his choice for a running mate who might be butting heads arguing uncompromisingly in the years ahead. 


Here I go back to Klobuchar, Bennett....




I could be wrong but I said from day one when I heard that she wasn't going to campaign to be the Senator from Georgia, that Biden is going to pick Stacey Abrams to be his VP. 




I also had thoughts toward her direction.... I just heard from the horses mouth. Biden said....he is not going to choose someone with different ideas from his. He wants someone on the same page as himself....makings of a smooth administration like he had with Obama. 

12 months ago  ::  Aug 29, 2019 - 3:49PM #52
laurenfrances
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Aug 29, 2019 -- 11:35AM, bertram wrote:


Biden would accept anybody who, according to polling next summer, would enhance his ticket.  If Biden is our nominee, the VP choice will almost inevitably be somebody who will help bring in a swing state and who will appeal to the progressive wing of the party.  That's just politics.




Biden doesn't have to appeal to progressive.  Progressives are not going to vote for Trump anyway you look at it.  Biden needs to appeal to moderate republicans/independents in Middle America swing states... like in Minnesota/Colorado,Michigan land of Klobuchar/Bennett where they won handedly. 


You actually think progressives are going to vote for Trump if a progressive is not on the ticket?  Like 2016...are progressives going to cut off their nose for spite and stay home? 

12 months ago  ::  Aug 29, 2019 - 3:58PM #53
bertram
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Aug 29, 2019 -- 3:49PM, laurenfrances wrote:


Aug 29, 2019 -- 11:35AM, bertram wrote:


Biden would accept anybody who, according to polling next summer, would enhance his ticket.  If Biden is our nominee, the VP choice will almost inevitably be somebody who will help bring in a swing state and who will appeal to the progressive wing of the party.  That's just politics.




Biden doesn't have to appeal to progressive.  Progressives are not going to vote for Trump anyway you look at it.  Biden needs to appeal to moderate republicans/independents in Middle America swing states... like in Minnesota/Colorado,Michigan land of Klobuchar/Bennett where they won handedly. 


You actually think progressives are going to vote for Trump is one of them is not on the ticket?




Too many progressives stayed home when Bernie got shut out of the process in 2016.  I'm betting that the Dems will have a progressive as either the presidential nominee or the VP pick.  For one thing, we can't put all of our eggs in the Biden basket for 2020.  He could ghaffe his way out of the race entirely before the primary season is over.  It could end up that a progressive picks a moderate as the VP selection.

12 months ago  ::  Aug 29, 2019 - 4:16PM #54
bertram
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After what we have gone through with dolts in the White House from January 2001- January 2009 and January 2017 to the present, I see no reason why we should not elect the best and the brightest as our next president.  And that is not Biden.  Haven't we catered to Republicans long enough?  They have been running winning presidential campaigns that catered to their base.  Dems have been running losing presidential campaigns that catered to swing voters.  Maybe that is something Dems should think about.  

12 months ago  ::  Aug 29, 2019 - 4:22PM #55
bertram
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Obama appealed to the progressive wing of the Democratic Party as a candidate.  However, he governed more to the center than most Dems thought he would.  He channeled Bill Clinton instead of FDR.  Let's elect somebody who will actually do what Trump lied about doing...focusing on lifting up the middle class, the working poor and the poor.

12 months ago  ::  Aug 29, 2019 - 4:36PM #56
SSBob643
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Aug 29, 2019 -- 3:49PM, laurenfrances wrote:


Biden doesn't have to appeal to progressive.  Progressives are not going to vote for Trump anyway you look at it.  Biden needs to appeal to moderate republicans/independents in Middle America swing states... like in Minnesota/Colorado,Michigan land of Klobuchar/Bennett where they won handedly. 




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Trump won Michigan; Clinton won MN & CO.


As I've said many times, sending Trump "back to whence he came" is Job #1. Not only would I vote for Mickey Mouse, I'd vote for Minnie, Mighty or any one of the Mouseketeers.


I've always felt Biden is the most electable, but watching his performances so far in the debates I'm beginning to become concerned that he'll come across as weak and ineffective when going head-to-head against Trump. 


I'm starting to see Warren as a better candidate to take on Trump. She definitely wouldn't be intimidated by Donnie, and she'd kick his azz in a one-on-one debate. I believe once having the national stage to herself she'd appeal to a large percentage of the middle America blue collar voters who voted for Trump in '16. I think she does need to dial back the Medicare for all position, and champion a public option buy in instead.

12 months ago  ::  Aug 29, 2019 - 4:37PM #57
laurenfrances
Posts: 38,035

Aug 29, 2019 -- 4:16PM, bertram wrote:


After what we have gone through with dolts in the White House from January 2001- January 2009 and January 2017 to the present, I see no reason why we should not elect the best and the brightest as our next president.  And that is not Biden.  Haven't we catered to Republicans long enough?  They have been running winning presidential campaigns that catered to their base.  Dems have been running losing presidential campaigns that catered to swing voters.  Maybe that is something Dems should think about.  




Basically progressive stay home for 2016 election and we paid the price for it.  If progressive want a repeat performance with the same outcome, they will have themself to blame again for Trump sitting in the oval office.  As you can well see, I'm a centrist moderate.  My resentment is there as Bernie supporters swinging the election toward Trump's direction.


This time around, if not for Trump, I can easily vote for a moderate republican if progressive was my other option. It remains to be seen if Biden wins the DEMs nomination.  If Warren/Bernie wins, I would have difficulties voting for either. I could very well do what progressives did...sit home.

12 months ago  ::  Aug 29, 2019 - 4:46PM #58
laurenfrances
Posts: 38,035

Aug 29, 2019 -- 4:36PM, SSBob643 wrote:


Aug 29, 2019 -- 3:49PM, laurenfrances wrote:


Biden doesn't have to appeal to progressive.  Progressives are not going to vote for Trump anyway you look at it.  Biden needs to appeal to moderate republicans/independents in Middle America swing states... like in Minnesota/Colorado,Michigan land of Klobuchar/Bennett where they won handedly. 




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Trump won Michigan; Clinton won MN & CO.


As I've said many times, sending Trump "back to whence he came" is Job #1. Not only would I vote for Mickey Mouse, I'd vote for Minnie, Mighty or any one of the Mouseketeers.


I've always felt Biden is the most electable, but watching his performances so far in the debates I'm beginning to become concerned that he'll come across as weak and ineffective when going head-to-head against Trump. 


I'm starting to see Warren as a better candidate to take on Trump. She definitely wouldn't be intimidated by Donnie, and she'd kick his azz in a one-on-one debate. I believe once having the national stage to herself she'd appeal to a large percentage of the middle America blue collar voters who voted for Trump in '16. I think she does need to dial back the Medicare for all position, and champion a public option buy in instead.




It's a shame we only measure a candidate's qualifications from his/her ability to debate.  Not everyone has the gift of gab... it's not what you say but what you do that counts.  Warren is the champion of debating.  She achieved many accolades on the debating stage during her college years...this is her jam.  I wish there there was another left leaning centrist to take the lead instead of Biden, unfortunately that is not the case.


Medicare for all with no public options doesn't sit well for me. Free higher education with no skin in the game is a factor I don't agree.  

12 months ago  ::  Aug 29, 2019 - 4:53PM #59
SSBob643
Posts: 3,017

Aug 29, 2019 -- 4:46PM, laurenfrances wrote:


It's a shame we only measure a candidate's qualifications from his/her ability to debate.  Not everyone has the gift of gab... it's not what you say but what you do that counts.  Warren is the champion of debating.  She achieved many accolades on the debating stage...this is her jam.


Medicare for all with no public options doesn't sit well for me. Free higher education with no skin in the game is a factor I don't agree.  




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A candidates qualifications are not measured by their debating skills. Ted Cruz is an excellent debater; Trump is an idiot. Who was the nominee?


To be clear...are you opposed to a public option to buy into Medicare? "Free" higher education? We all know nothing is free. I think most would agree that a 2 year degree today is the equivalent of a high school diploma not that many years ago. Do you oppose public education?

12 months ago  ::  Aug 29, 2019 - 5:02PM #60
laurenfrances
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Aug 29, 2019 -- 4:53PM, SSBob643 wrote:


Aug 29, 2019 -- 4:46PM, laurenfrances wrote:


It's a shame we only measure a candidate's qualifications from his/her ability to debate.  Not everyone has the gift of gab... it's not what you say but what you do that counts.  Warren is the champion of debating.  She achieved many accolades on the debating stage...this is her jam.


Medicare for all with no public options doesn't sit well for me. Free higher education with no skin in the game is a factor I don't agree.  




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


A candidates qualifications are not measured by their debating skills. Ted Cruz is an excellent debater, Trump is an idiot. Who was the nominee?


To be clear...are you opposed to a public option to buy into Medicare? "Free" higher education? We all know nothing is free. I think most would agree that a 2 year degree today is the equivalent of a high school diploma not that many years ago. Do you oppose public education?




Public education with some monetary attachment is not a bad thing. We are not talking about soaring tuitions but a fee associated with financial abilities. Or fees waivered from volunteerism.


It seems Warren is favored with her gift of gab as opposed to Biden with his marble mouth responses...

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