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1 month ago  ::  Aug 17, 2019 - 5:33PM #1
chl45
Posts: 813

I think their training is not as good as it was in years past. Seems to me the calling of balls and strikes is the one area they lack continuity and make the most mistakes. Some of them are like rogue cops, drunk with power and some are obvious with it. Yet those guys seem to never get punished. At least not publicly. 


Their punishment, if any is all done behind closed doors. Maybe when they are fined or suspended  it should be public knowledge and it may at least lesson some of the frustration the fans feel and the players, when it looks like the Umpires get away with no accountability for a poor job. 


When it appears they are held to a different set of standards than the players are it is only going to get worse. I think their fines and suspensions should be made public and more attention in the media should be paid to their failures and maybe they will start to care more about making bad decisions.


Our guys were definitely baited today because the home plate ump would not stop looking into the Yankee dugout looking for a reaction, and that is why the guys acted out. We need more strict policing of the umpires And make it public when they are fined or suspended for incidents like today. That's my feeling about it.







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1 month ago  ::  Aug 17, 2019 - 5:37PM #2
luvdayanks
Posts: 26,925

Aug 17, 2019 -- 5:33PM, chl45 wrote:


I think their training is not as good as it was in years past. Seems to me the calling of balls and strikes is the one area they lack continuity and make the most mistakes. Some of them are like rogue cops, drunk with power and some are obvious with it. Yet those guys seem to never get punished. At least not publicly. 


Their punishment, if any is all done behind closed doors. Maybe when they are fined or suspended  it should be public knowledge and it may at least lesson some of the frustration the fans feel and the players, when it looks like the Umpires get away with no accountability for a poor job. 


When it appears they are held to a different set of standards than the players are it is only going to get worse. I think their fines and suspensions should be made public and more attention in the media should be paid to their failures and maybe they will start to care more about making bad decisions.


Our guys were definitely baited today because the home plate ump would not stop looking into the Yankee dugout looking for a reaction, and that is why the guys acted out. We need more strict policing of the umpires And make it public when they are fined or suspended for incidents like today. That's my feeling about it.










Don't  hold your breath  waiting to make umpires accountable  and being fined or suspended, ain't going  to  happen. Their union and contracts protect them from that .

1 month ago  ::  Aug 17, 2019 - 5:40PM #3
al
Posts: 814

Aug 17, 2019 -- 5:37PM, luvdayanks wrote:


Aug 17, 2019 -- 5:33PM, chl45 wrote:


I think their training is not as good as it was in years past. Seems to me the calling of balls and strikes is the one area they lack continuity and make the most mistakes. Some of them are like rogue cops, drunk with power and some are obvious with it. Yet those guys seem to never get punished. At least not publicly. 


Their punishment, if any is all done behind closed doors. Maybe when they are fined or suspended  it should be public knowledge and it may at least lesson some of the frustration the fans feel and the players, when it looks like the Umpires get away with no accountability for a poor job. 


When it appears they are held to a different set of standards than the players are it is only going to get worse. I think their fines and suspensions should be made public and more attention in the media should be paid to their failures and maybe they will start to care more about making bad decisions.


Our guys were definitely baited today because the home plate ump would not stop looking into the Yankee dugout looking for a reaction, and that is why the guys acted out. We need more strict policing of the umpires And make it public when they are fined or suspended for incidents like today. That's my feeling about it.










Don't  hold your breath  waiting to make umpires accountable  and being fined or suspended, ain't going  to  happen. Their union and contracts protect them from that .




A robo ump would never behave that way because a robo ump would make the right call.

1 month ago  ::  Aug 17, 2019 - 5:46PM #4
laurenfrances
Posts: 35,917
Home plate umpire got out at the wrong side of bed. He was looking for an altercation..

Like players, umpire should be graded for their performance. Making themself the focus of the game is arrogance beyond belief.

Fans come to watch game, not for umpires to take center stage.
1 month ago  ::  Aug 17, 2019 - 5:51PM #5
chl45
Posts: 813

Aug 17, 2019 -- 5:37PM, luvdayanks wrote:


Aug 17, 2019 -- 5:33PM, chl45 wrote:


I think their training is not as good as it was in years past. Seems to me the calling of balls and strikes is the one area they lack continuity and make the most mistakes. Some of them are like rogue cops, drunk with power and some are obvious with it. Yet those guys seem to never get punished. At least not publicly. 


Their punishment, if any is all done behind closed doors. Maybe when they are fined or suspended  it should be public knowledge and it may at least lesson some of the frustration the fans feel and the players, when it looks like the Umpires get away with no accountability for a poor job. 


When it appears they are held to a different set of standards than the players are it is only going to get worse. I think their fines and suspensions should be made public and more attention in the media should be paid to their failures and maybe they will start to care more about making bad decisions.


Our guys were definitely baited today because the home plate ump would not stop looking into the Yankee dugout looking for a reaction, and that is why the guys acted out. We need more strict policing of the umpires And make it public when they are fined or suspended for incidents like today. That's my feeling about it.










Don't  hold your breath  waiting to make umpires accountable  and being fined or suspended, ain't going  to  happen. Their union and contracts protect them from that .




They  do get fined and suspended but it is a rare occurrence. And it is usually hush hush.  It's like when a Cop is investigated for a suspect shooting or doing something wrong. There is an investigation and then, what? This statement. It usually goes like this.. "after the investigation it was found the officer was not negligent in his duties and followed proper procedures." I know all about what union protection is about, believe me.


In the case of the umpires, I do think that MLB itself could step in, and the players union, and make a few waves. I think if that happens however, it would cause more problems than it will solve. Seems to me ever since replay was instituted, the umpiring got worse. Maybe they feel their jobs  someday may be eliminated, or so greatly reduced that only a few will be needed per league. Something looks like it sure has changed with them, and not for the better, not on balls and strikes anyway.

you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
1 month ago  ::  Aug 17, 2019 - 6:07PM #6
Paterson
Posts: 6,380

Aug 17, 2019 -- 5:46PM, laurenfrances wrote:

Home plate umpire got out at the wrong side of bed. He was looking for an altercation.. Like players, umpire should be graded for their performance. Making themself the focus of the game is arrogance beyond belief. Fans come to watch game, not for umpires to take center stage.



1000% with you ! The best thing that you can ever say about an umpire is that you can't remember him. Too many f this guys seem as though they are trying to establish their own brand. I think they should be graded and I think their should be consequences to their grades. 

1 month ago  ::  Aug 17, 2019 - 6:24PM #7
Raymond757
Posts: 9,383

The inconsistency on calling strikes is what bug the hell out of me... he was calling the high strikes for Cleveland pitchers but not for ours...

1 month ago  ::  Aug 17, 2019 - 7:10PM #8
slats7
Posts: 338

Every time Maybin gives the umps lip ... Gardy (not Maybin) gets thrown out of the game.

"They don't boo nobodies." -- Reggie Jackson
1 month ago  ::  Aug 17, 2019 - 7:23PM #9
maplebats
Posts: 835

The most important fact in this entire episode is forgotten and never mentioned, as always tends to happen whenever umpires are involved — None of this would have happened if not for the inaccurate called strike three on Maybin. Inferior umpiring caused this. Every angle of the replay clearly shows that the pitch was three or four inches outside and never came closer to the plate than that. Maybin had every right to be disgusted. Maybin's teammates had every right to be disgusted. Boone had every right to be disgusted.

When the umpires go back and look at the replay, they will know that the Yankees had a valid gripe. What else is a team supposed to do at that point to make their grievance known? How else does a team make a point that the umpiring is inferior, inconsistent, and inaccurate? These players are playing to make history. For them, every pitch and every at bat is crucially important to what they are trying to achieve. On the other hand, umpires have absolutely no skin in the game. When a player makes a terrible mistake on the field, he is held publicly accountable by the fans and the media. When an umpire makes a terrible mistake on the field, there is no mechanism to hold them accountable. And therefore, the result is that umpires collude with one another to impose their wrath on a player or team. They do it because they know they can get away with it and never have to answer publicly for any of their mistakes or behaviors.

MLB needs to change that before fans begin to question the integrity of the outcome of games like fans already do with regard the NFL and NBA. There needs to be a balance. Players and teams need to be allowed to submit grades on the quality of the umpires, season by season, and umpire by umpire. At the end of each season, all umpires who fall in the lowest 10% grade level get removed from the major leagues and are replaced by Triple-A minor league umpires who score in the top 10% of their league. If the umpires union doesn't like it, fire all of them and use Triple-A umpires. Let this cabal of unaccountable and unimportant clowns decide whether they want to do things right or whether they want to drop down to the pay grade of college umpiring.

1 month ago  ::  Aug 17, 2019 - 9:09PM #10
njyf
Posts: 759

Judge looks at the bad strike call on Maybin and goes,"pffft, I get worse calls than that every at bat."

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