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3 months ago  ::  Aug 23, 2019 - 11:21AM #1
manbot
Posts: 591


www.nj.com/yankees/2019/08/how-yankee-ar...


nypost.com/2019/08/20/sonny-gray-showing...



How many pitchers does this guy have to destroy? How many prospects have been thrown away on good Pitchers that Larry destroys within a year?


I mean ... if that's not enough to get you fired, this surely is

  • Domingo German  - 4.15
  • James Paxton        - 4.53
  • Masahiro Tanaka    - 4.68
  • CC Sabathia          - 5.01
  • J.A. Happ              - 5.58 

  • Tanaka Road ERA: 6.48
  • German Road ERA: 5.82
  • Paxton Road ERA: 5.21
  • Happ Road ERA: 5.62
  • Sabathia Road ERA: 6.95
3 months ago  ::  Aug 23, 2019 - 11:33AM #2
felipe27point5
Posts: 2,645

Aug 23, 2019 -- 11:21AM, manbot wrote:



www.nj.com/yankees/2019/08/how-yankee-ar...


nypost.com/2019/08/20/sonny-gray-showing...



How many pitchers does this guy have to destroy? How many prospects have been thrown away on good Pitchers that Larry destroys within a year?


I mean ... if that's not enough to get you fired, this surely is

  • Domingo German  - 4.15
  • James Paxton        - 4.53
  • Masahiro Tanaka    - 4.68
  • CC Sabathia          - 5.01
  • J.A. Happ              - 5.58 

  • Tanaka Road ERA: 6.48
  • German Road ERA: 5.82
  • Paxton Road ERA: 5.21
  • Happ Road ERA: 5.62
  • Sabathia Road ERA: 6.95



I thought Sonny Gray was Cashman's fault. Man, it's confusing who i'm supposed to be blowing a gasket over when they don't work out in NY

You are welcome to recall my posts when it becomes that i'm proven wrong as long as we judge it on the merits of what we knew to be true at the time it was posted.
3 months ago  ::  Aug 23, 2019 - 11:34AM #3
Cocopugg
Posts: 6,890

His last name. Research that family and you'll know what I mean.

3 months ago  ::  Aug 23, 2019 - 11:55AM #4
njyf
Posts: 915

Well, it helps that the team is in first place and about to win 100 games for the second year in a row.

3 months ago  ::  Aug 23, 2019 - 12:39PM #5
chl45
Posts: 1,185

Aug 23, 2019 -- 11:55AM, njyf wrote:


Well, it helps that the team is in first place and about to win 100 games for the second year in a row.




So that answers all your questions about why our pitching may just be the reason we don't make it out of the playoffs? C'mon man. We are in first place and that's good enough for you going into the playoffs with 5 pitchers who are struggling and have an ERA over 6 combined? No  the team has had bad pitching woes for awhile now, seasons as a matter of fact, not just now. At least make Larry a Suspect.

you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
3 months ago  ::  Aug 23, 2019 - 12:41PM #6
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 77,579

Aug 23, 2019 -- 11:55AM, njyf wrote:


Well, it helps that the team is in first place and about to win 100 games for the second year in a row.




The team is going to win 100 games this year with questionable pitching ... no reason that it's impossible to win in the post-season with the same pitching ... plus there is a chance Severino will be taking the mound.

3 months ago  ::  Aug 23, 2019 - 1:00PM #7
njyf
Posts: 915

Aug 23, 2019 -- 12:39PM, chl45 wrote:


Aug 23, 2019 -- 11:55AM, njyf wrote:


Well, it helps that the team is in first place and about to win 100 games for the second year in a row.




So that answers all your questions about why our pitching may just be the reason we don't make it out of the playoffs? C'mon man. We are in first place and that's good enough for you going into the playoffs with 5 pitchers who are struggling and have an ERA over 6 combined? No  the team has had bad pitching woes for awhile now, seasons as a matter of fact, not just now. At least make Larry a Suspect.



Everyone agrees that the playoffs is a crapshoot. You can have great pitching and still falter. Astros and Dodgers last year essentially have the same pitchers as this year and they still didn't "make it out of the playoffs."


I am no fan of Larry but you are not going to get the FO to ax him if the team wins 100 games. Now, if they were .500 and in fourth place, I can see it happenning but that's not the case.


3 months ago  ::  Aug 23, 2019 - 1:04PM #8
njyf
Posts: 915

Aug 23, 2019 -- 12:41PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Aug 23, 2019 -- 11:55AM, njyf wrote:


Well, it helps that the team is in first place and about to win 100 games for the second year in a row.




The team is going to win 100 games this year with questionable pitching ... no reason that it's impossible to win in the post-season with the same pitching ... plus there is a chance Severino will be taking the mound.



Yup and that's the chance we have to take. We wanted to upgrade the pitching but everyone around the league was colluding against us. Mets trading with Phillies rather than us. Jays taking less from Mets rather than trading with us. Everyone else asking for huge ransoms from us but would take less from others.

3 months ago  ::  Aug 23, 2019 - 2:52PM #9
Rob
Posts: 366

The more important question is why has the FO continually declined to give Rothschild better starting pithers.  I know this will not satisfy the "fire everybdy any time they lose" crowd and the Rothschild haters,but maybe the answer to the threaqueston is the YAnkee SP just aren't that good.


Sabathis - looks like toast


Happ - an insult to Yankee fans that they don't have something better to replace him


Tanaka - capable of a very good outing.  Just as capable of throwing a real stinker


Paxton - no better than a #4-#5 in his first season in NY.  Why can't anybody figure out how to fix his first inning issues.  Taht is on Rothschild


German - A lot of promise so far, but still a lot to learn

3 months ago  ::  Aug 23, 2019 - 3:28PM #10
chl45
Posts: 1,185

Aug 23, 2019 -- 2:52PM, Rob wrote:


The more important question is why has the FO continually declined to give Rothschild better starting pithers.  I know this will not satisfy the "fire everybdy any time they lose" crowd and the Rothschild haters,but maybe the answer to the threaqueston is the YAnkee SP just aren't that good.


Sabathis - looks like toast


Happ - an insult to Yankee fans that they don't have something better to replace him


Tanaka - capable of a very good outing.  Just as capable of throwing a real stinker


Paxton - no better than a #4-#5 in his first season in NY.  Why can't anybody figure out how to fix his first inning issues.  Taht is on Rothschild


German - A lot of promise so far, but still a lot to learn




Rob, maybe it has slipped your memory, but please keep one thing in mind. Before Cashman traded, bought, or drafted any pitcher we have since the Larry Rothschild era, Larry himself, has a say in what Cashman does. And yes, Larry looks at film, stats, and personality and background on every pitcher before he gives Cashman his input. Yes, others are involved including the hitting instructor and some coaches, but Larry is in charge of pitching. Starting pitching. The pen coach is in charge of the pen and does his coaching there. Thus it just may be part of the reason the pen guys are better from what I and millions of fans see, than our starters.


And yes, Larry can be overruled when Cashman makes his final pick. If he is overridden to many times he would be gone I imagine. So Larry IMO, has not done such a bang up charge. The people he is in charge of are not doing the job. So..who should be blamed, the bat boy? Think about it. It's a fact of life. You are in charge, your people stink at their job, or at least are not doing it well, who is looked at as a problem?


I am not saying the pitchers are blameless. To me Happ is stubborn, like Gray was, Tanaka is working around not having TJ surgery and has reinvented himself so he becomes a little inconsistent, Paxton has a mental block about the first inning seemingly, CC is a hundred years old and doing a hell of a job, but has no stamina to go more than  3 or4 innings German is young and gets a little wild, but so far he is the most reliable, Severino can't stay healthy, and the rest are so bad we use them as "openers" and they share the innings and deplete the bull pen.


I say you can't fire Cashman, or Boone, or the pitchers over this, but you can try a different PC. I would start there instead of the BS excuses we hear from Boone who was hired to keep the media and the fans and players all warm and fuzzy and he is doing a good, no, great job at that! As well as managing the team. He gets the credit for being in first place, not Larry Rothschild. My take on it all of course.

you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
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