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Is stealing signs to get an edge OK?
1 month ago  ::  Oct 17, 2019 - 1:40PM #1
laurenfrances
Posts: 36,766

According to an unwrittten rule it's OK if no technologies are utilized...


The general rule: sign stealing is OK, but not if you’re using technology to do it. In Martino’s story an anonymous coach asks whether there’s a further distinction between flashing your teammate a visual cue of what a pitch might be but the audio cue of a whistle might be too much. The coach thinks so, but he also adds “honestly I don’t know where to draw the lines anymore.”


But that “no technology” rule is more than an unwritten rule these days, right? Remember when the Red Sox were busted for using Apple watches to relay signs? In the wake of that, MLB said that was an official, as opposed to an unwritten, no-no. I bring that up because a coach from a team other than the Yankees is quoted in Martino’s story suggesting that what may have been happening here is that the Astros are picking up signs — or tipped pitches — via video or other electronic means and that the whistling is the team’s way of signaling it to the batter. If that happened, well, there is more to this than just beefing. There’s an actual rules violation.



I bring this up because Yankees are accusing Astros of stealing sign with Astros employess sitting in camera well relaying signs to players.  According to MLB, it's ok as long as technologies like an Apple watch is not employed.


Yankees players and coaches became angry with the Astros during Game 1 of the ALCS when they noticed a whistling sound in the Astros’ dugout — which they believed was an over-the-line example of sign stealing, and a violation of the game’s unwritten rules.


According to three sources, a Yankees coach noticed a whistling sound in the opposing dugout on certain pitches on Saturday night in Houston. The Yankees started yelling across the field, and people in the dugouts argued back and forth.


“The whole dugout was ****ed,” said one source. “Everyone was chirping.”



This also occurred in 2018 post season...as reported...


During the 2018 postseason there was a bit of a thing involving the Indians and Red Sox thinking that the Astros were stealing signs and/or spying on their dugouts via the stationing of a team employee nearby. 


Here's the thing NYers has the sterotypical reputation for skirting the rules, a carpetbagger, a snake oil salesman, a shark.  From what I'm seeing Yankees are boy scouts as Astros defies their reputation of being law abiding citizens. 









1 month ago  ::  Oct 17, 2019 - 1:53PM #2
felipe27point5
Posts: 2,645

"The general rule: sign stealing is OK, but not if you’re using technology to do it. "



Yes, yes, 100X YES. Literally everybody in both dugouts are trying to do it. If you're using technology, that's entirely bush league, but as far as a guy on second peering in to the catcher - get better signs. 


It really annoys me when pitchers get all offended about it. Your guys are doing it too. Sometimes you even have a pitcher trying to dot a guy to send a message. 


With that said, using technology is almost as old as the game itself. There was a ballpark that ran a telegraph wire out to the third base coaches box where if you stood in a certain location you could feel the morse code being tapped out to you to relay to the hitter. 


I think it was old comisky park where the scoreboard operater could see the signals, so a leg hanging out of the window meant offspeed and no leg meant a fastball. 


It's common knowledge that when bobby thompson hit the shot heard round the world, they had a telescope in the clubhouse zeroed in on the signals. 


So even using technology dates back as old as the sport. I think it's up to teams to be more clever than the other, and stop complaining when the other guy does what you're also doing. 


And even look at a guy like the Rays pitcher who was tipping. They knew what was coming, but he was still effective after the first inning despite it. Just be clever with your signals and execute your pitch

You are welcome to recall my posts when it becomes that i'm proven wrong as long as we judge it on the merits of what we knew to be true at the time it was posted.
1 month ago  ::  Oct 17, 2019 - 1:56PM #3
NW
Posts: 1,095

If you're using your eyes and ears to gain an advantage, it is absolutely legal.  If you're using cameras and an Apple watch, different story.

1 month ago  ::  Oct 17, 2019 - 2:11PM #4
Cocopugg
Posts: 6,893

Does anyone remember (I don't know if it was last year, or 2017) some "fan" behind home plate was watching the game on one of his media devices, so he could see the signs the catcher was calling for, and he was relaying the signal in Spanish to Gary Sanchez? I forgot what happened, whether Sanchez told the umpire, or what it was, but I remember the umpire ejecting the fan from the game. Does anyone else remember that?

1 month ago  ::  Oct 17, 2019 - 2:16PM #5
NW
Posts: 1,095

Oct 17, 2019 -- 2:11PM, Cocopugg wrote:


Does anyone remember (I don't know if it was last year, or 2017) some "fan" behind home plate was watching the game on one of his media devices, so he could see the signs the catcher was calling for, and he was relaying the signal in Spanish to Gary Sanchez? I forgot what happened, whether Sanchez told the umpire, or what it was, but I remember the umpire ejecting the fan from the game. Does anyone else remember that?




www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/fan-ejected-f...


Probably didn't matter.  Sanchez can't hit a beach ball in the playoffs.

1 month ago  ::  Oct 17, 2019 - 3:05PM #6
mscamaguey
Posts: 808

Dan


You hit it right on the head.  I was ready to say if God gave him the list of pitches he would get Gary would still Strike Out!

1 month ago  ::  Oct 17, 2019 - 10:49PM #7
JudgeandYankees
Posts: 98

The Cheatstros are a dirty bush league team with a bunch of juicers.  I wish nothing but the worst for them but we all know they're going to cheat themselves to another world series.  I hope they enjoy their tainted trophy.

1 month ago  ::  Oct 18, 2019 - 7:19AM #8
Tippy
Posts: 432

The Astros are just like the New England Patriots. They cheat.

1 month ago  ::  Oct 18, 2019 - 8:47AM #9
Bill
Posts: 349

Everyone is doing it, lmao.

I think it's only messed up if there is some sort of third party involved.



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