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Simply put, time to change it up!
2 months ago  ::  Oct 17, 2019 - 2:30PM #1
chl45
Posts: 1,247

In game 3 when Gardner, hitting 3rd, was up with two men on and he swung away, it was a tell tale sign that the Yankees are doing what they do.  Doing what they did all season. And it worked. However it is not working now. Instead of having Gardner bunt with 0 outs and getting a man to third, they had him swing away. Dead indicator they are still waiting for the 3 run home run. So, I guess analytics say your number three man shouldn't be bunting. Hell, baseball unwritten rules say a number three hitter shouldn't be bunting.


So, no one said a thing. Except after the game, then the second guessing started. Why didn't Gardner bunt? Simple. We are the Bronx Bombers not the Bronx bunters. Except now, to me, a short series, against post season pitchers, running into a meatball comes far and few between. Time to change it up, time to use baseball instincts, use eyeballs and when the situation, like the one with Gardner presents itself, you bunt, or cut down your swing and go for a hit.


When the pitcher walks two guys in an inning and the hitter is up at the plate, they need plate discipline and stop swinging at the first pitch and popping up!  Where is all this working the zone Boone talks about?  IMO,  a change in approach is needed with men on base in a short series from the big swingers, or it will be a long winter. Best examples of no plate discipline that is glaring is from Sanchez and Encarnacion. We need two and go to Texas. Have to find a way to get it done. Let's get it on!

you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
2 months ago  ::  Oct 17, 2019 - 2:53PM #2
cleanuphtr12
Posts: 1,241

Oct 17, 2019 -- 2:30PM, chl45 wrote:


In game 3 when Gardner, hitting 3rd, was up with two men on and he swung away, it was a tell tale sign that the Yankees are doing what they do.  Doing what they did all season. And it worked. However it is not working now. Instead of having Gardner bunt with 0 outs and getting a man to third, they had him swing away. Dead indicator they are still waiting for the 3 run home run. So, I guess analytics say your number three man shouldn't be bunting. Hell, baseball unwritten rules say a number three hitter shouldn't be bunting.


So, no one said a thing. Except after the game, then the second guessing started. Why didn't Gardner bunt? Simple. We are the Bronx Bombers not the Bronx bunters. Except now, to me, a short series, against post season pitchers, running into a meatball comes far and few between. Time to change it up, time to use baseball instincts, use eyeballs and when the situation, like the one with Gardner presents itself, you bunt, or cut down your swing and go for a hit.


When the pitcher walks two guys in an inning and the hitter is up at the plate, they need plate discipline and stop swinging at the first pitch and popping up!  Where is all this working the zone Boone talks about?  IMO,  a change in approach is needed with men on base in a short series from the big swingers, or it will be a long winter. Best examples of no plate discipline that is glaring is from Sanchez and Encarnacion. We need two and go to Texas. Have to find a way to get it done. Let's get it on!




99% of the second guesses are absolutely idiotic.  They see a result didn't work so they "know" how things should have been done.  In reality they're just playing out alternative scenarios to what actually happened and their too stupid to realize that just because they created an alternate reality in imaginationland does not mean that was the "right" thing to do in real life.



The example you brought up is a bunt, in the first inning with no one out.  The idea that they should have handed Gerrit Cole - one of the best pitchers in the game - his first out of the game intentionally shows a general lack of understanding of the game.  The mistake in that situation wasn't letting Gardner hit away.  It was allowing Gardner and EE to make outs on exactly 3 pitches.  The lineup is supposed to be "savages" who work pitchers to death.  You've got 2 men on and no one out...  DO THAT.  Make him get you out. 

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2 months ago  ::  Oct 17, 2019 - 3:17PM #3
NW
Posts: 1,183

Oct 17, 2019 -- 2:30PM, chl45 wrote:


In game 3 when Gardner, hitting 3rd, was up with two men on and he swung away, it was a tell tale sign that the Yankees are doing what they do.  Doing what they did all season. And it worked. However it is not working now. Instead of having Gardner bunt with 0 outs and getting a man to third, they had him swing away. Dead indicator they are still waiting for the 3 run home run. So, I guess analytics say your number three man shouldn't be bunting. Hell, baseball unwritten rules say a number three hitter shouldn't be bunting.


So, no one said a thing. Except after the game, then the second guessing started. Why didn't Gardner bunt? Simple. We are the Bronx Bombers not the Bronx bunters. Except now, to me, a short series, against post season pitchers, running into a meatball comes far and few between. Time to change it up, time to use baseball instincts, use eyeballs and when the situation, like the one with Gardner presents itself, you bunt, or cut down your swing and go for a hit.


When the pitcher walks two guys in an inning and the hitter is up at the plate, they need plate discipline and stop swinging at the first pitch and popping up!  Where is all this working the zone Boone talks about?  IMO,  a change in approach is needed with men on base in a short series from the big swingers, or it will be a long winter. Best examples of no plate discipline that is glaring is from Sanchez and Encarnacion. We need two and go to Texas. Have to find a way to get it done. Let's get it on!




Anyone on this board will tell you that I think Gardner is highly overrated.  However, he has been our hottest hitter for over a month.  You don't take the bat out of his hands in that situation.  Never, ever, ever.  They aren't "waiting for the home run" from Gardner, they are trusting a hot hitter.


As far as your b.s. argument about plate discipline, let me quote Steve Sax from MLB Network and say that argument is S.T.U.P.I.D.  If you have a pitcher the quality of Cole, you aren't up there to work the count.  You are up there to hit his mistake or the closest thing to a mistake that you can find.  If that happens to be the first pitch, so be it.  The Yankees exercised plate discipline for much of that game.  How many runs did it get them off of Cole?


The Yankees hit 300+ home runs this year.  That is going to be a major part of that offense whether you like it or not.  There's a good reason why the Twins and Dodgers are already at home.  They didn't have any diversity in their hitting.  Unfortunately, right now the diversity in offense that helped the Yankees through the season, in addition to the home runs, is now replaced by more people that are swing and miss guys. (i.e. Stanton, Sanchez, Encanarcion)

2 months ago  ::  Oct 17, 2019 - 3:37PM #4
bumper
Posts: 6,728

Oct 17, 2019 -- 3:17PM, NW wrote:


Oct 17, 2019 -- 2:30PM, chl45 wrote:


In game 3 when Gardner, hitting 3rd, was up with two men on and he swung away, it was a tell tale sign that the Yankees are doing what they do.  Doing what they did all season. And it worked. However it is not working now. Instead of having Gardner bunt with 0 outs and getting a man to third, they had him swing away. Dead indicator they are still waiting for the 3 run home run. So, I guess analytics say your number three man shouldn't be bunting. Hell, baseball unwritten rules say a number three hitter shouldn't be bunting.


So, no one said a thing. Except after the game, then the second guessing started. Why didn't Gardner bunt? Simple. We are the Bronx Bombers not the Bronx bunters. Except now, to me, a short series, against post season pitchers, running into a meatball comes far and few between. Time to change it up, time to use baseball instincts, use eyeballs and when the situation, like the one with Gardner presents itself, you bunt, or cut down your swing and go for a hit.


When the pitcher walks two guys in an inning and the hitter is up at the plate, they need plate discipline and stop swinging at the first pitch and popping up!  Where is all this working the zone Boone talks about?  IMO,  a change in approach is needed with men on base in a short series from the big swingers, or it will be a long winter. Best examples of no plate discipline that is glaring is from Sanchez and Encarnacion. We need two and go to Texas. Have to find a way to get it done. Let's get it on!




Anyone on this board will tell you that I think Gardner is highly overrated.  However, he has been our hottest hitter for over a month.  You don't take the bat out of his hands in that situation.  Never, ever, ever.  They aren't "waiting for the home run" from Gardner, they are trusting a hot hitter.


As far as your b.s. argument about plate discipline, let me quote Steve Sax from MLB Network and say that argument is S.T.U.P.I.D.  If you have a pitcher the quality of Cole, you aren't up there to work the count.  You are up there to hit his mistake or the closest thing to a mistake that you can find.  If that happens to be the first pitch, so be it.  The Yankees exercised plate discipline for much of that game.  How many runs did it get them off of Cole?


The Yankees hit 300+ home runs this year.  That is going to be a major part of that offense whether you like it or not.  There's a good reason why the Twins and Dodgers are already at home.  They didn't have any diversity in their hitting.  Unfortunately, right now the diversity in offense that helped the Yankees through the season, in addition to the home runs, is now replaced by more people that are swing and miss guys. (i.e. Stanton, Sanchez, Encanarcion)




while mentioned by the broadcasters, bunting in the 1st inning by a guy who hit 28 HRs, particularly in a stadium made for his swing, is crazy talk. fwiw, post game didi was asked about his ABs and not taking pitches, he said said when the ball's down the middle, he's swinging. also took full responsibility for the loss.

2 months ago  ::  Oct 17, 2019 - 3:51PM #5
NW
Posts: 1,183

Oct 17, 2019 -- 3:37PM, bumper wrote:


Oct 17, 2019 -- 3:17PM, NW wrote:


Oct 17, 2019 -- 2:30PM, chl45 wrote:


In game 3 when Gardner, hitting 3rd, was up with two men on and he swung away, it was a tell tale sign that the Yankees are doing what they do.  Doing what they did all season. And it worked. However it is not working now. Instead of having Gardner bunt with 0 outs and getting a man to third, they had him swing away. Dead indicator they are still waiting for the 3 run home run. So, I guess analytics say your number three man shouldn't be bunting. Hell, baseball unwritten rules say a number three hitter shouldn't be bunting.


So, no one said a thing. Except after the game, then the second guessing started. Why didn't Gardner bunt? Simple. We are the Bronx Bombers not the Bronx bunters. Except now, to me, a short series, against post season pitchers, running into a meatball comes far and few between. Time to change it up, time to use baseball instincts, use eyeballs and when the situation, like the one with Gardner presents itself, you bunt, or cut down your swing and go for a hit.


When the pitcher walks two guys in an inning and the hitter is up at the plate, they need plate discipline and stop swinging at the first pitch and popping up!  Where is all this working the zone Boone talks about?  IMO,  a change in approach is needed with men on base in a short series from the big swingers, or it will be a long winter. Best examples of no plate discipline that is glaring is from Sanchez and Encarnacion. We need two and go to Texas. Have to find a way to get it done. Let's get it on!




Anyone on this board will tell you that I think Gardner is highly overrated.  However, he has been our hottest hitter for over a month.  You don't take the bat out of his hands in that situation.  Never, ever, ever.  They aren't "waiting for the home run" from Gardner, they are trusting a hot hitter.


As far as your b.s. argument about plate discipline, let me quote Steve Sax from MLB Network and say that argument is S.T.U.P.I.D.  If you have a pitcher the quality of Cole, you aren't up there to work the count.  You are up there to hit his mistake or the closest thing to a mistake that you can find.  If that happens to be the first pitch, so be it.  The Yankees exercised plate discipline for much of that game.  How many runs did it get them off of Cole?


The Yankees hit 300+ home runs this year.  That is going to be a major part of that offense whether you like it or not.  There's a good reason why the Twins and Dodgers are already at home.  They didn't have any diversity in their hitting.  Unfortunately, right now the diversity in offense that helped the Yankees through the season, in addition to the home runs, is now replaced by more people that are swing and miss guys. (i.e. Stanton, Sanchez, Encanarcion)




while mentioned by the broadcasters, bunting in the 1st inning by a guy who hit 28 HRs, particularly in a stadium made for his swing, is crazy talk. fwiw, post game didi was asked about his ABs and not taking pitches, he said said when the ball's down the middle, he's swinging. also took full responsibility for the loss.




Yeah, it wasn't the approach that was bad.  It was the execution.  Some of that comes back to Cole too.  When you see that FB down the middle, even if it's a mistake, it has more late movement than most people's fastballs.  Think of D-Rob's fastball being effective at 90-91, mainly because of the movement.  Cole has that same movement (or better) at 98.  That's what makes him an elite pitcher.  Other than Encanarcion and Sanchez, I think the Yankees approach to Cole was good.  In fact, I think they were just a couple of fractions of an inch short of putting up 5 or 6 on him.  

2 months ago  ::  Oct 17, 2019 - 4:31PM #6
chl45
Posts: 1,247

The idea that the Yankees home run hitters will hit home runs like they do during the season is not realistic IMO. It didn't work against the Astro's before and if they keep it up it may not work again. There are plenty of home run hitters that feast off of bull pens, and starters who make mistakes, number 3 4 and 5 starters especially. Do you see any weaknesses like that in Houston's pitching?


I just think with 2 strikes, like Torres does, shorten up the stroke, cut down the swing and when you swing at a first pitch it should be down the middle, so I will take his word for it that he thought it LOOKED like it was down the middle. None of us were in the box, can't tell where that pitch was from TV.


Be that as it may, swinging like Tarzan at every pitch in the PS does not work. That's my opinion granted but it hasn't worked last season and looks the same this season. Home run swings result in what we see now. Limited base runners and when there are base runners we have to hope what? That DJ or Torres are up? Please, spare me the over confidence in the home run hitter in the Post Season. How many does Judge have? EE? Sanchez? Over all Didi Stanton Gardner Judge and Torres have homers/ Except for Torres all of them were against the TWINS I believe or close to it. The Astro's pitchers are not the Twins. We have a great opportunity to win two here at home, if they win them with home runs fantastic, I think there may be a better chance if they stop TRYING  so hard to hit them.

you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
2 months ago  ::  Oct 17, 2019 - 5:15PM #7
Lola
Posts: 24,811

Oct 17, 2019 -- 2:53PM, cleanuphtr12 wrote:


Oct 17, 2019 -- 2:30PM, chl45 wrote:


In game 3 when Gardner, hitting 3rd, was up with two men on and he swung away, it was a tell tale sign that the Yankees are doing what they do.  Doing what they did all season. And it worked. However it is not working now. Instead of having Gardner bunt with 0 outs and getting a man to third, they had him swing away. Dead indicator they are still waiting for the 3 run home run. So, I guess analytics say your number three man shouldn't be bunting. Hell, baseball unwritten rules say a number three hitter shouldn't be bunting.


So, no one said a thing. Except after the game, then the second guessing started. Why didn't Gardner bunt? Simple. We are the Bronx Bombers not the Bronx bunters. Except now, to me, a short series, against post season pitchers, running into a meatball comes far and few between. Time to change it up, time to use baseball instincts, use eyeballs and when the situation, like the one with Gardner presents itself, you bunt, or cut down your swing and go for a hit.


When the pitcher walks two guys in an inning and the hitter is up at the plate, they need plate discipline and stop swinging at the first pitch and popping up!  Where is all this working the zone Boone talks about?  IMO,  a change in approach is needed with men on base in a short series from the big swingers, or it will be a long winter. Best examples of no plate discipline that is glaring is from Sanchez and Encarnacion. We need two and go to Texas. Have to find a way to get it done. Let's get it on!




99% of the second guesses are absolutely idiotic.  They see a result didn't work so they "know" how things should have been done.  In reality they're just playing out alternative scenarios to what actually happened and their too stupid to realize that just because they created an alternate reality in imaginationland does not mean that was the "right" thing to do in real life.



The example you brought up is a bunt, in the first inning with no one out.  The idea that they should have handed Gerrit Cole - one of the best pitchers in the game - his first out of the game intentionally shows a general lack of understanding of the game.  The mistake in that situation wasn't letting Gardner hit away.  It was allowing Gardner and EE to make outs on exactly 3 pitches.  The lineup is supposed to be "savages" who work pitchers to death.  You've got 2 men on and no one out...  DO THAT.  Make him get you out. 




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