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2 months ago  ::  Oct 20, 2019 - 8:28AM #21
Jon
Posts: 727
Qwik:

1. The time to get Cole was a long time ago.

2. First, you have to fire the owner. That's not going to happen.
2 months ago  ::  Oct 20, 2019 - 9:13AM #22
njyf
Posts: 945

I'm not convinced the Astros will stay good. They will lose Cole and everyone is getting older too (aging is not relegated to just the Yankees). Watch for them to slide backwards next year ala 2019 Red Sox. They will still be competitive but not dominant like they have. They may not even win the West next year. We are witnessing their swan song right now.


Outside Verlander and Cole, we saw how mediocre (not the best fitting word, I know) their lineup was. Their offense wasn't that much better than the Yankees. They got breaks and help from the umpiring (yes, I didn't watch any games in full but the times I did tune in, the balls and strikes against the Yankees both hitters and pitchers were so obviously less favorable than for the Astros pitchers and hitters).

2 months ago  ::  Oct 20, 2019 - 9:19AM #23
newinn
Posts: 34,043

Oct 20, 2019 -- 9:13AM, njyf wrote:


I'm not convinced the Astros will stay good. They will lose Cole and everyone is getting older too (aging is not relegated to just the Yankees). Watch for them to slide backwards next year ala 2019 Red Sox. They will still be competitive but not dominant like they have. They may not even win the West next year. We are witnessing their swan song right now.


Outside Verlander and Cole, we saw how mediocre (not the best fitting word, I know) their lineup was. Their offense wasn't that much better than the Yankees. They got breaks and help from the umpiring (yes, I didn't watch any games in full but the times I did tune in, the balls and strikes against the Yankees both hitters and pitchers were so obviously less favorable than for the Astros pitchers and hitters).




yep! and that's why the playoffs are a crap shoot. Don't often have playoffs like the Sox had last year or we had in '98.

2 months ago  ::  Oct 20, 2019 - 9:38AM #24
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 77,726

Oct 20, 2019 -- 12:42AM, qwik3457 wrote:


I don't care.


I don't care about Hal's budget.


I don't care about his payroll tax burden or his debt burden.


I don't care about the last half of the contract that's going to kill the team starting in about 2024. I know it will. I don't care.


I don't care that he might not be as effective in Yankee Stadium as in Minute Maid Park, that he might not be as effective because the Astros' team defense is better than the Yankees' team defense.


I don't care that his innings and age are starting to pile up and he becomes more likely to suffer a serious arm injury with each season that goes by. I understand all of this.


And I really, really, really don't care that 'they don't need Cole because they already have Paxton, Severino, Tanaka, Montgomery and Happ, and oh, boy, King is on the way, and Garcia is on the way and we have five guys in A-ball that throw 99'. That dog won't hunt.


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If they want to win a title with this group, they need one elite starter that can give them 200-220 innings a season. They can't win with this 5-8 elite relievers thing. It doesn't work. The team is just starting to age. Its window will close faster than they think. 


The need to get Cole to anchor the rotation. They need him to throw at the other team's aces. They need him to take heat off of Tanaka, Severino and Paxton. They need to get him to weaken the Astros.


The Astros aren't going anywhere. The Dodgers aren't going anywhere. The Rays are closing fast. There are other teams with great farm systems that are closing fast. If they want to win a title...sign Gerrit Cole. It might not be enough. It might not be sufficient, but it is necessary.


No excuses. No, oh he wants too much money. No, oh we were so close but the Angels wanted him more. No, oh we were willing to go 6 years, but not 7.


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Sign Gerrit Cole. That is all. 







I hear you qwik ... but Hal won't go for the kind of money Cole is going to want.

2 months ago  ::  Oct 20, 2019 - 9:51AM #25
njyf
Posts: 945

I'm not sure Hal won't. You might be surprised.


Anyway, if he doesn't, it would be because of bad timing. We still have Ellsbury on the books again next year. If he was gone just one year earlier or Cole becomes free agent one year later, Hal could very likely sign him.

2 months ago  ::  Oct 20, 2019 - 11:12AM #26
Lola
Posts: 24,818

It would have been nice to have a real Ace in game 6... instead of overused Chad Green giving up 3 runs in the 1st inning. This bullpenning isn’t working... I want a guy who can 7 innings with The big boys!

2 months ago  ::  Oct 20, 2019 - 11:13AM #27
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 77,726

Oct 20, 2019 -- 11:12AM, Lola wrote:


It would have been nice to have a real Ace in game 6... instead of overused Chad Green giving up 3 runs in the 1st inning. This bullpenning isn’t working... I want a guy who can 7 innings with The big boys!




Bullpenning is okay during the season, it's not for the post-season.

2 months ago  ::  Oct 20, 2019 - 12:26PM #28
manbot
Posts: 614

Oct 20, 2019 -- 11:13AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Oct 20, 2019 -- 11:12AM, Lola wrote:


It would have been nice to have a real Ace in game 6... instead of overused Chad Green giving up 3 runs in the 1st inning. This bullpenning isn’t working... I want a guy who can 7 innings with The big boys!




Bullpenning is okay during the season, it's not for the post-season.




Bullpenning anytime means your starters are not that good or not that deep !!! 


Yankees need to build a starting rotation with a true ace (Cole) and 5 solid starters 


Cole, Sevy, Paxton, Tanaka, Wheeler or Keuchle, (Happ BPMonte AAA in-waiting) Shorten the Bullpen not the starting rotation ...we need to get an avg of 6+ innings out of the starters 180-200 innings each. (Tanaka and Happ gone after 2020 season)


If Chapman Opts out ...good riddance. Trade Kahnle, Cessa and Green ... sign Betances.  Loisiga and German (if he is still around) to the Pen 

2 months ago  ::  Oct 20, 2019 - 12:52PM #29
Rob
Posts: 397

Oct 20, 2019 -- 9:13AM, njyf wrote:


I'm not convinced the Astros will stay good. They will lose Cole and everyone is getting older too (aging is not relegated to just the Yankees). Watch for them to slide backwards next year ala 2019 Red Sox. They will still be competitive but not dominant like they have. They may not even win the West next year. We are witnessing their swan song right now.


Outside Verlander and Cole, we saw how mediocre (not the best fitting word, I know) their lineup was. Their offense wasn't that much better than the Yankees. They got breaks and help from the umpiring (yes, I didn't watch any games in full but the times I did tune in, the balls and strikes against the Yankees both hitters and pitchers were so obviously less favorable than for the Astros pitchers and hitters).




I have no idea who will be a FA for Houston, other than Cole, of course, but I don't see them as comparable to teh Red Sox.



The RS regression was ultimately on the players, of course, well, the pitchers mostly.  But the real culprit was Dombrowski who let their closer and one of their better relievers walk and did not replace them, and had nothing in the farm system to trade for help when Sale, Price and Porcello imploded.  Can you imagine Houston letting Osuna and, say, Pressley walk and not replacing them?  I can't.  And if 2020 Verlander turns into 2019 Sale and HHouston doing nothing.  I can't.


To your other point, though, thier lineup wasn't much better than the Yankees'.  The difference was that in a 6 game series they took advantage of their opportunities and NY's lineup more often that not did not.  I suspect if they were in the same division playing 19 times a year, the season series would often end 10-9.

2 months ago  ::  Oct 20, 2019 - 1:07PM #30
qwik3457
Posts: 11,939

Oct 20, 2019 -- 3:54AM, NW wrote:


I'd rather they sign Searage who could make Sevy, German, Paxton, Montgomery, and (maybe) Tanaka better.  He would do a lot more for our rotation than one guy.  Cole already proved he wasn't for NY when he didn't sign with us when we drafted him.  I'm not saying I wouldn't make him a good offer but I wouldn't break the bank.




Considering Searage was the guy who had Morton and Cole before they got to the Astros and vastly improved, I'm not sure I agree with that.

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