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2 months ago  ::  Oct 20, 2019 - 1:12PM #31
qwik3457
Posts: 11,935

Oct 20, 2019 -- 8:28AM, Jon wrote:

Qwik: 1. The time to get Cole was a long time ago. 2. First, you have to fire the owner. That's not going to happen.



1. A long time ago? The Astros didn't get him until two years ago, and they turned a pitcher who was struggling in mediocrity and turned him back into an ace. The time to get him is NOW, because 1) This team's window is closing fast 2) It would hurt the toughest rival, which is Houston and 3) He's already "fixed", so it'll take the Yanks 2-3 years to "unfix" him.


2. Well, yeah, you're right about that, I know. And I know they're not going to listen to me, just because of some fan ranting on the network message board. In the end, even though I really believe what I wrote is correct, for the reason I wrote it, I'll be very surprised if they actually break the bank to sign Cole.

Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber
2 months ago  ::  Oct 20, 2019 - 1:18PM #32
qwik3457
Posts: 11,935

Oct 20, 2019 -- 9:13AM, njyf wrote:


I'm not convinced the Astros will stay good. They will lose Cole and everyone is getting older too (aging is not relegated to just the Yankees). Watch for them to slide backwards next year ala 2019 Red Sox. They will still be competitive but not dominant like they have. They may not even win the West next year. We are witnessing their swan song right now.


Outside Verlander and Cole, we saw how mediocre (not the best fitting word, I know) their lineup was. Their offense wasn't that much better than the Yankees. They got breaks and help from the umpiring (yes, I didn't watch any games in full but the times I did tune in, the balls and strikes against the Yankees both hitters and pitchers were so obviously less favorable than for the Astros pitchers and hitters).




Springer is 29, Altuve is 29, Bregman is 25, Correa is 24. I don't think they're going anywhere for the next 2-3 years.

Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber
2 months ago  ::  Oct 20, 2019 - 1:20PM #33
qwik3457
Posts: 11,935

Oct 20, 2019 -- 9:38AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Oct 20, 2019 -- 12:42AM, qwik3457 wrote:


I don't care.


I don't care about Hal's budget.


I don't care about his payroll tax burden or his debt burden.


I don't care about the last half of the contract that's going to kill the team starting in about 2024. I know it will. I don't care.


I don't care that he might not be as effective in Yankee Stadium as in Minute Maid Park, that he might not be as effective because the Astros' team defense is better than the Yankees' team defense.


I don't care that his innings and age are starting to pile up and he becomes more likely to suffer a serious arm injury with each season that goes by. I understand all of this.


And I really, really, really don't care that 'they don't need Cole because they already have Paxton, Severino, Tanaka, Montgomery and Happ, and oh, boy, King is on the way, and Garcia is on the way and we have five guys in A-ball that throw 99'. That dog won't hunt.


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If they want to win a title with this group, they need one elite starter that can give them 200-220 innings a season. They can't win with this 5-8 elite relievers thing. It doesn't work. The team is just starting to age. Its window will close faster than they think. 


The need to get Cole to anchor the rotation. They need him to throw at the other team's aces. They need him to take heat off of Tanaka, Severino and Paxton. They need to get him to weaken the Astros.


The Astros aren't going anywhere. The Dodgers aren't going anywhere. The Rays are closing fast. There are other teams with great farm systems that are closing fast. If they want to win a title...sign Gerrit Cole. It might not be enough. It might not be sufficient, but it is necessary.


No excuses. No, oh he wants too much money. No, oh we were so close but the Angels wanted him more. No, oh we were willing to go 6 years, but not 7.


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Sign Gerrit Cole. That is all. 







I hear you qwik ... but Hal won't go for the kind of money Cole is going to want.




I know, Mo. Just felt I had to say that. But they won't listen; they won't deviate from their plans. And maybe they're right. But it's hard watching this Yankee team fritter away year after year. This group is running out of time, and the best replacement player in the system is 16 years old, and at least 4 years away.

Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber
2 months ago  ::  Oct 20, 2019 - 1:22PM #34
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 77,712

Oct 20, 2019 -- 1:20PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Oct 20, 2019 -- 9:38AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Oct 20, 2019 -- 12:42AM, qwik3457 wrote:


I don't care.


I don't care about Hal's budget.


I don't care about his payroll tax burden or his debt burden.


I don't care about the last half of the contract that's going to kill the team starting in about 2024. I know it will. I don't care.


I don't care that he might not be as effective in Yankee Stadium as in Minute Maid Park, that he might not be as effective because the Astros' team defense is better than the Yankees' team defense.


I don't care that his innings and age are starting to pile up and he becomes more likely to suffer a serious arm injury with each season that goes by. I understand all of this.


And I really, really, really don't care that 'they don't need Cole because they already have Paxton, Severino, Tanaka, Montgomery and Happ, and oh, boy, King is on the way, and Garcia is on the way and we have five guys in A-ball that throw 99'. That dog won't hunt.


=======================================


If they want to win a title with this group, they need one elite starter that can give them 200-220 innings a season. They can't win with this 5-8 elite relievers thing. It doesn't work. The team is just starting to age. Its window will close faster than they think. 


The need to get Cole to anchor the rotation. They need him to throw at the other team's aces. They need him to take heat off of Tanaka, Severino and Paxton. They need to get him to weaken the Astros.


The Astros aren't going anywhere. The Dodgers aren't going anywhere. The Rays are closing fast. There are other teams with great farm systems that are closing fast. If they want to win a title...sign Gerrit Cole. It might not be enough. It might not be sufficient, but it is necessary.


No excuses. No, oh he wants too much money. No, oh we were so close but the Angels wanted him more. No, oh we were willing to go 6 years, but not 7.


=======================================


Sign Gerrit Cole. That is all. 







I hear you qwik ... but Hal won't go for the kind of money Cole is going to want.




I know, Mo. Just felt I had to say that. But they won't listen; they won't deviate from their plans. And maybe they're right. But it's hard watching this Yankee team fritter away year after year. This group is running out of time, and the best replacement player in the system is 16 years old, and at least 4 years away.




They're not right ... they are being cheap.

2 months ago  ::  Oct 20, 2019 - 1:25PM #35
Paterson
Posts: 6,538

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I hear you qwik ... but Hal won't go for the kind of money Cole is going to want.


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I know, Mo. Just felt I had to say that. But they won't listen; they won't deviate from their plans. And maybe they're right. But it's hard watching this Yankee team fritter away year after year. This group is running out of time, and the best replacement player in the system is 16 years old, and at least 4 years away.


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   Maybe it is time to sell ?




2 months ago  ::  Oct 20, 2019 - 1:32PM #36
mscamaguey
Posts: 816

He might return to the Astros, they will give him whatever he wants.

2 months ago  ::  Oct 20, 2019 - 2:43PM #37
Rob
Posts: 391

Oct 20, 2019 -- 11:13AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Oct 20, 2019 -- 11:12AM, Lola wrote:


It would have been nice to have a real Ace in game 6... instead of overused Chad Green giving up 3 runs in the 1st inning. This bullpenning isn’t working... I want a guy who can 7 innings with The big boys!




Bullpenning is okay during the season, it's not for the post-season.




Bullpenning for one start in a post season series works if you have a bullpen like the Yankees.  What doesn't work, not durng the regular season and, especially, not in the playoffs is asking your bullpen to get more outs than the starters.


Overall I think Boone navigated his starters' shortcomings pretty well.  One glaring mistake was using Green last night as the opener.  Green was clearly gassed Thursday night and put them in an early hole last night.  One problem with a bullpen gae is what happens if the game goes extra innings.  Had Chapman gotten out of the 9th he would almost certainly have been asked to pitch the 10th.  But what then?  You really do not want ot see Cessa or Heller in extra innings of a win or go home game.

2 months ago  ::  Oct 20, 2019 - 2:45PM #38
njyf
Posts: 936

^ Having Germán would have made all the difference. Just lousy luck/timing. I guess it was not meant to be this year.

2 months ago  ::  Oct 20, 2019 - 3:54PM #39
Max
Posts: 2,973

Oct 20, 2019 -- 11:12AM, Lola wrote:


It would have been nice to have a real Ace in game 6... instead of overused Chad Green giving up 3 runs in the 1st inning. This bullpenning isn’t working... I want a guy who can 7 innings with The big boys!




Can't blame Green though, the poor guy must have been pitching on fumes. Plus the homerun he gave up was a pretty good pitcher's pitch.


Severino and Paxton should be those Pitchers that can go 7 innings, but the Yankees still need more of them if they want to shift the balance of power their way. Adding Cole and therefore subtracting him from the Astros rotation would be a start in shifting the balance of power.  

2 months ago  ::  Oct 20, 2019 - 4:06PM #40
qwik3457
Posts: 11,935

Oct 20, 2019 -- 2:45PM, njyf wrote:


^ Having Germán would have made all the difference. Just lousy luck/timing. I guess it was not meant to be this year.




It certainly would've helped, having German. Not sure it would have been decisive in the other direction.

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