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1 month ago  ::  Oct 21, 2019 - 4:01AM #1
qwik3457
Posts: 11,934

...you're right, and that's also the verdict of....


twitter.com/UmpireAuditor/status/1185957...


Now, we're all upset about the poor hitting with RISP from game 2 on, and the umpiring wasn't this bad in Games 2 through 5, so it can't be used to mitigate the poor performance in those games.


But it definitely played a role in their problems Saturday night. That's what I thought when I was watching, and I take some grim satisfaction that my suspicions were confirmed.

Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber
1 month ago  ::  Oct 21, 2019 - 4:28AM #2
Secretagent
Posts: 47

Oct 21, 2019 -- 4:01AM, qwik3457 wrote:


...you're right, and that's also the verdict of....


twitter.com/UmpireAuditor/status/1185957...


Now, we're all upset about the poor hitting with RISP from game 2 on, and the umpiring wasn't this bad in Games 2 through 5, so it can't be used to mitigate the poor performance in those games.


But it definitely played a role in their problems Saturday night. That's what I thought when I was watching, and I take some grim satisfaction that my suspicions were confirmed.





Maybe so, but it is hardly an excuse which is what complaining about it makes it appear like.  Yeah that ump was a bit inconsitent to say the least...but they lost because Green missed location and Chapman hung a slider and the umps had no part in that.  It is not like they lost on a ninth inning call at the plate or on a walk with the base loaded in the ninth. 


They lost the ALCS because the pitching was not good enough and a number of the hitters did not show up against better pitching.  We all knew the starting pitching was this team's achilles heel and all pretty much knew Sanchez, EE and Didi among others were not good hitters against elite pitching.  Unfortunately that is how it ended up playing out.  Blame Cashman for not putting a good enough starting staff together.   Tanaka stunk in one game... Paxton was not great in one game.  Severino was not great in his start.  It is hard to win when your starters are lucky to go 5 and often are gone by the 3rd inning.  The bullpen strategy is simply nonsnese for the post season, esp in a longer series imo.  It is also hard to win when you have to play a bullpen game in the ALCS because your starters are not that good or decide to get themselves suspended (see German).  The post-mortem on this year is more or less like the post-mortem of 2017.  Starting staff not good enough by quite a bit.  Signing JA Happ which amounted to a 17M dollar multi-year waste of money by Cashman and losing German because he apparently has anger\personal issues is in the end what cost this team imo. 



My 2 cents.

1 month ago  ::  Oct 21, 2019 - 5:00AM #3
NW
Posts: 1,086

I'd be interested where this person get their statistics.  I happen to agree that his look a lot more like what I saw than the MLB stats:


10/19 NYY@HOU 6: Marvin Hudson: 121/123 Balls + 44/51 Strikes = 165/174 = 94.8%. +3 HOU.


By the way, MLB data actually had game 4 at a lower percentage:


10/16 HOU@NYY 4: Dan Bellino: 127/132 Balls + 57/63 Strikes = 184/195 = 94.4%. +5 NYY.


As you might expect, game 2 was an excellent called game (despite the egregious Sanchez misses in the 11th).  It was also the best LCS game by percentage correct:


10/13 NYY@HOU 2: Cory Blaser: 120/120 Balls + 58/60 Strikes = 178/180 = 98.9%. +0 Nu.

1 month ago  ::  Oct 21, 2019 - 8:44AM #4
Tippy
Posts: 432

They lost game six because Boone started Greene instead of Happ. 

1 month ago  ::  Oct 21, 2019 - 8:48AM #5
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 77,606

Oct 21, 2019 -- 8:44AM, Tippy wrote:


They lost game six because Boone started Greene instead of Happ. 




and if Happ had given up the homerun, you would say the opposite.

1 month ago  ::  Oct 21, 2019 - 8:56AM #6
nc01
Posts: 2,260

Oct 21, 2019 -- 8:48AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Oct 21, 2019 -- 8:44AM, Tippy wrote:


They lost game six because Boone started Greene instead of Happ. 




and if Happ had given up the homerun, you would say the opposite.




What do you expect Mo, from an idiot like Tipass.



NC...


1 month ago  ::  Oct 21, 2019 - 3:22PM #7
yank0428
Posts: 17,474

He was so bad. On the same at bat he would call a pitch a couple inches off on both sides of the plate a strike. A few went against the Astros but a lot more against the Yanks. The players had to expand their zone because of his crappy strike zone. In a game 6 elimination game you can't have an umpire like that behind the dish. I don't think I had a beef with any of the other umps except maybe when Danley took over when the ump has the concussion.He wasn't great but this guy was worse.

1 month ago  ::  Oct 21, 2019 - 3:55PM #8
qwik3457
Posts: 11,934

Oct 21, 2019 -- 4:28AM, Secretagent wrote:


Oct 21, 2019 -- 4:01AM, qwik3457 wrote:


...you're right, and that's also the verdict of....


twitter.com/UmpireAuditor/status/1185957...


Now, we're all upset about the poor hitting with RISP from game 2 on, and the umpiring wasn't this bad in Games 2 through 5, so it can't be used to mitigate the poor performance in those games.


But it definitely played a role in their problems Saturday night. That's what I thought when I was watching, and I take some grim satisfaction that my suspicions were confirmed.




Maybe so, but it is hardly an excuse which is what complaining about it makes it appear like.  Yeah that ump was a bit inconsitent to say the least...but they lost because Green missed location and Chapman hung a slider and the umps had no part in that.  It is not like they lost on a ninth inning call at the plate or on a walk with the base loaded in the ninth. 




I would disagree with the characterization of Green missing the location to Gurriel. Sanchez was set up with the glove near the top of the K zone on the inner 3rd. The pitch green threw was maybe an inch or two lower, but it was off the plate inside by about 3 inches. It wasn't even a strike. Sinister minds would say he knew what was coming, but maybe Gurriel just put a great swing on a pitch out of the zone, and hit it into the Crawford boxes.

Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber
1 month ago  ::  Oct 21, 2019 - 4:16PM #9
vdfebduderocks
Posts: 508

that's why it's always important to take ejections on behalf of the team, even if it means you're suspended the next day.

4 weeks ago  ::  Oct 21, 2019 - 11:13PM #10
davis2
Posts: 17,442

 I would love to see a truly independent auditor of umpires. The integrity of the game demands it. The umps should be accountable just as the players are. That would clean up some of the crap. Some, not all... Joe West needs a deck gun @2000 GPM to clean his ass!

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