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4 months ago  ::  Nov 05, 2019 - 12:51AM #21
bumper
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Nov 4, 2019 -- 10:58PM, chl45 wrote:


Nov 4, 2019 -- 10:38PM, davis2 wrote:


Nov 4, 2019 -- 10:33PM, chl45 wrote:


Nov 4, 2019 -- 8:13PM, slats7 wrote:


Torres at SS is a big defensive downgrade. way too nonchalant for my liking.




The kid is 22 years old. SS is his original  position. The Yankees moved him to 2nd base because of Didi. Torres defense will improve greatly with more discipline and coaching and practice with DJ at 2nd, which is DJ's natural position.. Torres will improve this year once they stop bouncing him from position to position and messing around moving him up and down in the line up. This kid has more upside than anyone in the game right now IMO. Maybe Soto is his close 2nd. As soon as the analytics stop messing with the consistency of this team they will get much better on defense. 



What about the mental lapses? Torres is an offense first player, better at 2B. We need Didi at SS.




Mental lapses come from lack of focus. If he is constantly moved all over the place that does not give this kid any comfort zone and his mind wanders who knows to where. Where he is hitting? Where he will play tomorrow, what is his girfriend doing? He is 22. What were you at 22?  Yes he is an athlete however it doesn't mean you still don't day dream at times. Didn't you at 22? Once again, bro, he is better at 2nd base only because he has been there for basically two years and taken out of his element at SS and relearned a position and now has to re learn what he was and go back to it.


DJ also is a better 2nd baseman than first baseman and anyone that hasn't seen DJ look awkward at times at 1st base is not paying attention. He is a gold glove 2nd baseman. Not 1st baseman. Torres natural position is SS and consistency breeds consistency not playing a different position every other day week or month. Versatility is one thing the Analytics preach but it sure as hell doesn't mean it works for certain players does it. They are not robots.



torres will be fine at SS next season. if he had lapses at SS, it was because he hardly played there in 2018, not because he was moved all over the place which wasn't really the case this season. he had a large chunk of time at SS the first couple months, then settled in mostly at 2B after didi returned and only played SS to spell didi. also w shifts, guys don't know where they're playing half the time anyway. btw, if you're playing a different position, think your mind doesn't "wander". if anything, you're more focused.


as for where he's hitting. don't think he gives 2 poops. he shows up, sees the lineup and says ok i'm batting wherever. he doesn't suddenly get heart palpitations, omg i hit 3rd yesterday and i'm hitting 5th today. doesn't the manager know i can't hit 5th after hitting 3rd yesterday.


here's the lineups from the 1960 WS. different everyday. no computers, no analytics. just a manager deciding game-to-game what's best.


Kubek, Lopez, Maris, Mantle, Berra, Skowron, Boyer, Richardson
Kubek, Mdougald, Maris, Mantle, Berra, Skowron, Howard, richardson
cerv, maris, mantle, skowron, mcdougald, Howard, richardson, kubek
Cerv, kubek, maris, mantle, berra, skowron, mcdougald, richardson
Mcdougald, maris, cerv, mantle, skowron, Howard, richardson, kubek
Boyer, kubek, maris, mantle, Berra, showron, howard, richardson
Richardson,kubek, maris, mantle, berra, skowron, blanchard, Boyer


4 months ago  ::  Nov 05, 2019 - 2:02AM #22
Bill
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Nov 4, 2019 -- 7:12PM, Raymond757 wrote:

Gardner .136 average in the playoffs ...we can do better without him.



What was Bregman's batting avg? The Astros can certainly do better without him in that case...


4 months ago  ::  Nov 05, 2019 - 6:44AM #23
yankoldfan
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Not giving Didi a QO doesn't mean he won't be back, after all, $18M as a QO could play bigger as a one year deal than lets say they offer him a three year deal close or near 3@$27-$30M, I'm not sure Didi will get any more than that ??? 


It could also mean they are going to save money and go after a Cole/Strasburg/Wheeler kind of starter ?? I agree Didi would be a big loss, his defense and his LH bat will be missed...


I'm betting the wheels are turning and Didi is not out of the picture just yet ?? 

4 months ago  ::  Nov 05, 2019 - 6:57AM #24
Raymond757
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Nov 5, 2019 -- 6:44AM, yankoldfan wrote:


Not giving Didi a QO doesn't mean he won't be back, after all, $18M as a QO could play bigger as a one year deal than lets say they offer him a three year deal close or near 3@$27-$30M, I'm not sure Didi will get any more than that ??? 


It could also mean they are going to save money and go after a Cole/Strasburg/Wheeler kind of starter ?? I agree Didi would be a big loss, his defense and his LH bat will be missed...


I'm betting the wheels are turning and Didi is not out of the picture just yet ?? 




Agree!

4 months ago  ::  Nov 05, 2019 - 8:57AM #25
bumper
Posts: 6,837

Nov 5, 2019 -- 6:44AM, yankoldfan wrote:


Not giving Didi a QO doesn't mean he won't be back, after all, $18M as a QO could play bigger as a one year deal than lets say they offer him a three year deal close or near 3@$27-$30M, I'm not sure Didi will get any more than that ??? 


It could also mean they are going to save money and go after a Cole/Strasburg/Wheeler kind of starter ?? I agree Didi would be a big loss, his defense and his LH bat will be missed...


I'm betting the wheels are turning and Didi is not out of the picture just yet ?? 




that's low. he made $11.75 mil this season and it's not like he's an old man. for 3 yrs, thinking more in the $40-50 mil range. at end of day, maybe someone gives him 4 yrs.


still not sure we're gonna get our TOR starter but saving money on didi is a place to start. and yes they could still resign him but thinking they move more in the direction of voit, ford and/or andujar at 1B. they need to decide one way or another because signing didi pretty commits to DJ to 1B and puts those 3 in limbo. 

4 months ago  ::  Nov 05, 2019 - 9:43AM #26
Cocopugg
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I think the Yankees see Gleyber as this generation's Jeter. I think SS will be his position come spring training.

4 months ago  ::  Nov 05, 2019 - 10:25AM #27
bumper
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Nov 5, 2019 -- 9:43AM, Cocopugg wrote:


I think the Yankees see Gleyber as this generation's Jeter. I think SS will be his position come spring training.




agree though not necessarily the jeter part. but they have 3 team controlled players vying for 1B as are urshela 3B & gleyber SS. so you extend DJLM 2B and there's your infield for the next 4 yrs. team controlled and relatively inexpensive. a bit of a dice roll w gio and voit, ford or andujar because they don't have a extensive track records but think that's the direction they're going.

4 months ago  ::  Nov 05, 2019 - 10:34AM #28
chl45
Posts: 1,489

Nov 5, 2019 -- 12:51AM, bumper wrote:


Nov 4, 2019 -- 10:58PM, chl45 wrote:


Nov 4, 2019 -- 10:38PM, davis2 wrote:


Nov 4, 2019 -- 10:33PM, chl45 wrote:


Nov 4, 2019 -- 8:13PM, slats7 wrote:


Torres at SS is a big defensive downgrade. way too nonchalant for my liking.




The kid is 22 years old. SS is his original  position. The Yankees moved him to 2nd base because of Didi. Torres defense will improve greatly with more discipline and coaching and practice with DJ at 2nd, which is DJ's natural position.. Torres will improve this year once they stop bouncing him from position to position and messing around moving him up and down in the line up. This kid has more upside than anyone in the game right now IMO. Maybe Soto is his close 2nd. As soon as the analytics stop messing with the consistency of this team they will get much better on defense. 



What about the mental lapses? Torres is an offense first player, better at 2B. We need Didi at SS.




Mental lapses come from lack of focus. If he is constantly moved all over the place that does not give this kid any comfort zone and his mind wanders who knows to where. Where he is hitting? Where he will play tomorrow, what is his girfriend doing? He is 22. What were you at 22?  Yes he is an athlete however it doesn't mean you still don't day dream at times. Didn't you at 22? Once again, bro, he is better at 2nd base only because he has been there for basically two years and taken out of his element at SS and relearned a position and now has to re learn what he was and go back to it.


DJ also is a better 2nd baseman than first baseman and anyone that hasn't seen DJ look awkward at times at 1st base is not paying attention. He is a gold glove 2nd baseman. Not 1st baseman. Torres natural position is SS and consistency breeds consistency not playing a different position every other day week or month. Versatility is one thing the Analytics preach but it sure as hell doesn't mean it works for certain players does it. They are not robots.



torres will be fine at SS next season. if he had lapses at SS, it was because he hardly played there in 2018, not because he was moved all over the place which wasn't really the case this season. he had a large chunk of time at SS the first couple months, then settled in mostly at 2B after didi returned and only played SS to spell didi. also w shifts, guys don't know where they're playing half the time anyway. btw, if you're playing a different position, think your mind doesn't "wander". if anything, you're more focused.


as for where he's hitting. don't think he gives 2 poops. he shows up, sees the lineup and says ok i'm batting wherever. he doesn't suddenly get heart palpitations, omg i hit 3rd yesterday and i'm hitting 5th today. doesn't the manager know i can't hit 5th after hitting 3rd yesterday.


here's the lineups from the 1960 WS. different everyday. no computers, no analytics. just a manager deciding game-to-game what's best.


Kubek, Lopez, Maris, Mantle, Berra, Skowron, Boyer, Richardson
Kubek, Mdougald, Maris, Mantle, Berra, Skowron, Howard, richardson
cerv, maris, mantle, skowron, mcdougald, Howard, richardson, kubek
Cerv, kubek, maris, mantle, berra, skowron, mcdougald, richardson
Mcdougald, maris, cerv, mantle, skowron, Howard, richardson, kubek
Boyer, kubek, maris, mantle, Berra, showron, howard, richardson
Richardson,kubek, maris, mantle, berra, skowron, blanchard, Boyer





Bumper did you play any type of organized ball? You seem to have a spectators view of this game only. Nothing wrong with that at all. However Back in the days of those lineups you gave, the common sense moves by managers were way ahead of analytics. Like lefty righty matchups and slight shifts left or right. Also pitcher batter match ups.  Mainly it was the players instincts that determined where they stood or the coaches signaling them from the dugout not cheat sheets. And please do not misunderstand me I realize they moved guys around in the lineups but the example you gave was for a World Series and of course they changed them under those conditions.. Regular season they pretty much had things pretty well set with some obvious exceptions for obvious reasons.


I would say this to you. A rod is respected as an analyst at this point in his career. During the Playoffs he gave a great explanation of why he doesn't like the Yankees changing the lineup as much as they do. He gave an example of when Matsui hit behind him he would ask Matsui how he was "seeing" the pitcher. If Matsui said "I see well" A rod adjusted the way he went at the pitcher, with men on base figuring if he didn't drive them in or advance them Matsui would. If Matsui said "I no see him", then A rod would cut down his swing.


In other words A rod talked to the guys ahead of him and behind him in the on deck circle and they had an understanding between them. A lot of hitters have said that including Ted Williams. Now I know your answer already. "The game has changed." Yes, and what changed it? Removing the human element from the game of baseball is making it more boring to watch, and players are seemingly just like robots.


I think that is why MLB says "let the kids play" Because without bat flips and "hot doggers" there is nothing that exciting anymore happening when you see 6 or 7 home runs a game all season, or strike outs and walks. Anyway I just think a more consistent line up and set positions makes for consistency. Trying to fix what isn't broke makes no sense., Making changes here and there to improve an advantage over a pitcher or defense or offense is smart but changing it up daily to extremes is cause for mistakes and unfamiliar team work IMO.




you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
4 months ago  ::  Nov 05, 2019 - 10:56AM #29
bomberhojoe
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Maybe if the kids played hard and gave 100%, while also mastering the fundamentals and playing smart baseball, the game would be more exciting. Instead of flipping bats and acting like a bunch of fools.
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4 months ago  ::  Nov 05, 2019 - 11:13AM #30
Rob
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Nov 5, 2019 -- 6:44AM, yankoldfan wrote:


Not giving Didi a QO doesn't mean he won't be back, after all, $18M as a QO could play bigger as a one year deal than lets say they offer him a three year deal close or near 3@$27-$30M, I'm not sure Didi will get any more than that ??? 


It could also mean they are going to save money and go after a Cole/Strasburg/Wheeler kind of starter ?? I agree Didi would be a big loss, his defense and his LH bat will be missed...


I'm betting the wheels are turning and Didi is not out of the picture just yet ?? 




Clearly a luxury tax decision.  By various calculations they are already at or over the first tier and Hal has indicatd he doesn't want to go over thee 2d one.  Which, coincidentlally, likely means no Cole or Strasberg.



I thought they might give him the QO since they would only be committd to him for one year and it would allow them to assess whether his down 2019 was due primarily to coming back from TJS or the start of a decline before committing to multiple years.


Maybe one year at his 2019 salary and 3years at $15 M with an opt out after 2020?

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